Trump Details Immigration Policy in Phoenix, AZ - We WILL Have a Wall, and Mexico WILL Pay for It!
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[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]I'm glad you are respectful to my views.
Here's a different spin on it since you seem to think Trump voters are evil:
I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right?
You see America for what is, not what it could be. China in particular is developing amazing new infrastructure as their economy grows. I can't recall a major infrastructure project for the US past the National Highway Act, and on top of that our bridges keep falling apart. There's more examples like airports and city development (Detroit?), and Trump's entire history is building construction. I trust he will have great ideas to improve our dated infrastructure.
America is an independent nation and we can flip the bird to anyone we want. This isn't the EU where your immigration is controlled by a committee in Belgium. America gets to decide whether or not to accept immigrants, refugees, or visitors, for whatever reason we see fit, because we can. I'd rather spend money on investing in our own interests for our own citizens rather than policing and protecting the world out of our own pocket.[/QUOTE]
So let me get this straight
You want infrastructure to rival the Chinese
And you're
Going
To
Build a
Wall.
The joke writes itself dude so don't tell me your real justification of this is little more than a joke to you? How seriously do you take infrastructure if you think a fucking wall is priority number 1 when you have far more considerably effective things to do or worry about
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]I'm glad you are respectful to my views.
Here's a different spin on it since you seem to think Trump voters are evil:
I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right?
You see America for what is, not what it could be. China in particular is developing amazing new infrastructure as their economy grows. I can't recall a major infrastructure project for the US past the National Highway Act, and on top of that our bridges keep falling apart. There's more examples like airports and city development (Detroit?), and Trump's entire history is building construction. I trust he will have great ideas to improve our dated infrastructure.
America is an independent nation and we can flip the bird to anyone we want. This isn't the EU where your immigration is controlled by a committee in Belgium. America gets to decide whether or not to accept immigrants, refugees, or visitors, for whatever reason we see fit, because we can. I'd rather spend money on investing in our own interests for our own citizens rather than policing and protecting the world out of our own pocket.[/QUOTE]
Because that's an incredibly narrow, selfish way to look at it? You do realize this country is more than just straight white men, right? What is this, picking teams for gym class dodgeball? This is an election for a man that'll be in a high position of power.
I really apologize if I come off as being rude, but it's just so thoughtless.. Instead of talking about Trumps' backwards and very unprofessional ideals he speaks out, your only issue is something relating to coal. America is in no way an independent nation, as we hold many ties, especially in a world with direct communication just a touch away. If our interests of our citizens is building big walls and spouting powerful lines to "make America great again" while unraveling our ties with other nations, then our interests suck badly.
I've got nothing against you, I just think the way you look at this is worrisome. Would you still support him if he got elected and then fucked everything up?
[QUOTE=Anderan;50982104]How the fuck is he going to deport "criminals who have evaded justice"? Are they going to deport people declared innocent?[/QUOTE]
He's referring to illegal immigrants who are caught committing crimes and then released back into the United States rather than, you know, being deported? You would know that if you actually read or watched his speech. Trump is an idiot but some of the things he talked about were valid concerns and failures in our immigration system.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]I'm glad you are respectful to my views.
Here's a different spin on it since you seem to think Trump voters are evil:
I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right?
You see America for what is, not what it could be. China in particular is developing amazing new infrastructure as their economy grows. I can't recall a major infrastructure project for the US past the National Highway Act, and on top of that our bridges keep falling apart. There's more examples like airports and city development (Detroit?), and Trump's entire history is building construction. I trust he will have great ideas to improve our dated infrastructure.
America is an independent nation and we can flip the bird to anyone we want. This isn't the EU where your immigration is controlled by a committee in Belgium. America gets to decide whether or not to accept immigrants, refugees, or visitors, for whatever reason we see fit, because we can. I'd rather spend money on investing in our own interests for our own citizens rather than policing and protecting the world out of our own pocket.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...]only straight white men matter[/url]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]
Here's a different spin on it since you seem to think Trump voters are evil:
I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right?
[/QUOTE]
This is a selfish, narcissistic, [i]evil[/i] perspective. You went from sounding like a misguided Trump supporter to sounding like someone who genuinely [I]does not care[/I] about anyone other than yourself.
I'm honestly speechless. There's voting in your own self-interest and then there's voting [i]exclusively[/i] for your own self-interest at the expense of [i]literally everyone else[/i]. You're doing the second one.
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;50982295]Because that's an incredibly narrow, selfish way to look at it? You do realize this country is more than just straight white men, right? What is this, picking teams for gym class dodgeball? This is an election for a man that'll be in a high position of power.
I really apologize if I come off as being rude, but it's just so thoughtless.. Instead of talking about Trumps' backwards and very unprofessional ideals he speaks out, your only issue is something relating to coal. America is in no way an independent nation, as we hold many ties, especially in a world with direct communication just a touch away. If our interests of our citizens is building big walls and spouting powerful lines to "make America great again" while unraveling our ties with other nations, then our interests suck badly.
I've got nothing against you, I just think the way you look at this is worrisome. Would you still support him if he got elected and then fucked everything up?[/QUOTE]
If he fucks everything up then why would I continue supporting him? I believe he will induce positive change for the country, and if he doesn't then I guess he's just the same kind of useless politician we're used to.
I put the "I'm white, why would I not vote for him" argument out there not because that's why I am voting for him, but because nobody seems to want to confront it. Clinton speaks out for minorities and equality and all that stuff, and I think being inclusive and diverse is fine. What people are ignoring is the white communities who don't want the cultural, linguistic, or lifestyle changes. They are labelled as racist for not immediately accepting all these progressive motions, and no one seems to want to hear their side of the story.
Coal is an easy issue for me to pick apart, but I don't agree with everything he says or does. I don't think you will ever find a candidate you completely agree with unless you run for office yourself. There's also a lot of stuff I have no real authority or background to speak upon because its not in my field, so I try keep my mouth shut on financial or health issues or else I sound like a generic uninformed voter. If I wanted decent information I would consult a professor at my uni instead of reading forum posts.
His foreign policy of America First doesn't mean he wants to cut ties, it means he wants to restructure them so the US gets a good deal out of it. Or if they're already good, re-evaluate them to see if they can be made better.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982339] What people are ignoring is the white communities who don't want the cultural, linguistic, or lifestyle changes. They are labelled as racist for not immediately accepting all these progressive motions, and no one seems to want to hear their side of the story.
[/QUOTE]
So basically people that don't want to accept that our culture/society changes with time and it's inevitable, no matter how ignorant a person may try to avoid it? Would you say the civil rights was a bad thing because it was "a progressive motion"?
Just, listen to what you're saying. It's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]I'm glad you are respectful to my views.
Here's a different spin on it since you seem to think Trump voters are evil:
I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right?
You see America for what is, not what it could be. China in particular is developing amazing new infrastructure as their economy grows. I can't recall a major infrastructure project for the US past the National Highway Act, and on top of that our bridges keep falling apart. There's more examples like airports and city development (Detroit?), and Trump's entire history is building construction. I trust he will have great ideas to improve our dated infrastructure.
America is an independent nation and we can flip the bird to anyone we want. This isn't the EU where your immigration is controlled by a committee in Belgium. America gets to decide whether or not to accept immigrants, refugees, or visitors, for whatever reason we see fit, because we can. I'd rather spend money on investing in our own interests for our own citizens rather than policing and protecting the world out of our own pocket.[/QUOTE]
Remember when people did the right thing for its own sake without expecting something in return? I do too. Holy shit, you have no idea how self-entitled you and people like you sound when you keep banging on about flipping the bird to "anybody you want." Here's a reminder that America broke away from England because they were being exploited to hell and back by the British government, and that people emigrated here during the infancy of America in search of a better life.
And I tell you that I believe that America for what it is is better than what it could be under the aegis of Dolan Trump, because his policies are so off the wall delusional and so damaging to the economy if they get implemented, the poorest of the poor who support Trump will be even worse off than they are right now, and middle class people will find their lives devastated. You're going to support him now, see if you'll support him once you no longer have health insurance because the government cant pay for it.
This also shows you have no idea what you have about how difficult it is for an immigrant to make a new life coming into the USA. They want to work hard so that their children can have a better life in a country that isn't a steaming shithole like wherever they might've come from, say for example Mexico. They want to live and start their own families. They want to escape from the spectre of drugs and violence. And yet people like you want to deny them this opportunity because you feel they have no place here, according to the hateful rhetoric spewed by that orange toupeed good for nothing, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, had a loan guaranteed by daddy dearest, and many advantages most won't even see in their lifetimes.
Take a good long look at yourself and think for once, why would you want to support somebody so hateful and narcissistic, and so out of touch with reality. You and others like you have a modus operandi of supporting that creature because 'even if his ideas sound crazy, they're crazy enough that they might work' despite all the evidence to the contrary. If you still want to support him after that, be my guest, but also be prepared for others who know better to call you out on it.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982339]
I put the "I'm white, why would I not vote for him" argument out there not because that's why I am voting for him, but because nobody seems to want to confront it. Clinton speaks out for minorities and equality and all that stuff, and I think being inclusive and diverse is fine. What people are ignoring is the white communities who don't want the cultural, linguistic, or lifestyle changes. They are labelled as racist for not immediately accepting all these progressive motions, and no one seems to want to hear their side of the story.[/QUOTE]
I won't entertain for a [i]second[/i] an idea from [i]any demographic[/i] that infringes on the basic rights of any other demographic. That is inexcusable. Yes, we need to address poverty among [i]every[/i] demographic. But discriminating based on religion, skin color, or nationality is unbelievably un-American and it is an [I]inherently[/I] unacceptable position.
Like it or not, saying "American could be great again (for whites) if we got rid of the spics and ragheads" isn't a viable political opinion. It's racist, end of. It is quintessentially un-American. No self-respecting person will willingly sacrifice the rights of others to improve their own standing in society.
[QUOTE=bitches;50982318][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...]only straight white men matter[/url][/QUOTE]
Figured this would raise some eyebrows. I'm not declaring crap like white supremacy. I brought it up because people think that the only people voting for Trump are white people because they will keep the scary brown people away. I don't like people thinking that I'm voting Trump because I'm white, that's on par with assuming all African-Americans voted for Obama because he's black. Its demeaning to think of someone that way.
I value having solidarity as a group of people, namely being an American citizen. Race/sex/sexuality is irrelevant. I don't see Trump as the racist/sexist/whatever people paint him out to be.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982360]I don't see Trump as the racist/sexist/whatever people paint him out to be.[/QUOTE]
*he shows himself to be, with numerous comments over decades that blatantly show he is an actual, genuine racist
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982360]
I value having solidarity as a group of people, namely being an American citizen. Race/sex/sexuality is irrelevant. I don't see Trump as the racist/sexist/whatever people paint him out to be.[/QUOTE]
Weren't you just talking earlier about the whole straight white male getting the MAGA treatment and being good enough? If so, then you don't truly care for who all makes the citizens of America.
You're just being willfully ignorant. There's mountains of events where Trump has been racist or outright discriminated against people for race
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;50982369]Weren't you just talking earlier about the whole straight white male getting the MAGA treatment and being good enough? If so, then you don't truly care for who all makes the citizens of America.[/QUOTE]
he's contradicting himself to excuse his non-arguments
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982360]Figured this would raise some eyebrows. I'm not declaring crap like white supremacy. I brought it up because people think that the only people voting for Trump are white people because they will keep the scary brown people away. I don't like people thinking that I'm voting Trump because I'm white, that's on par with assuming all African-Americans voted for Obama because he's black. Its demeaning to think of someone that way.
I value having solidarity as a group of people, namely being an American citizen. Race/sex/sexuality is irrelevant. I don't see Trump as the racist/sexist/whatever people paint him out to be.[/QUOTE]
Remember that advertisement he put out during the central park incident? The one where he called for five African American youths to be hanged because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and posted a full page ad in the papers to push that agenda? Suppose they had been hanged, what then? would he have posted an apology for his hateful bigotry once the actual rapist (one hispanic male!) was caught? No, because he likes to double down on his stupidity, and any statement he might've made would be to the effect of 'well they might've been rapists!'
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982360] I don't see Trump as the racist/sexist/whatever people paint him out to be.[/QUOTE]
'man, hitler is saying all these really bad things about jews. but, in my heart, I believe that he's a good person, and doesnt mean anything that he's saying.'
(not comparing him to hitler, just an easy comparison)
the republican party as a whole is anti gay, anti lgbt, basically pro-white pro-good ol christian values. this is a FACT. you cant honestly say that trump doesnt believe in any of the stuff that he's peddling. if he didnt believe any of it, or mean any, than he's just a liar, which honestly...doesn't make him any better. not to mention you can't say that its a broad statement that many people who support him dont like/care about lgbt and the like. its just...how the party is. and its how they've been for years.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50982355]Remember when people did the right thing for its own sake without expecting something in return? I do too. Holy shit, you have no idea how self-entitled you and people like you sound when you keep banging on about flipping the bird to "anybody you want." Here's a reminder that America broke away from England because they were being exploited to hell and back by the British government, and that people emigrated here during the infancy of America in search of a better life.
And I tell you that I believe that America for what it is is better than what it could be under the aegis of Dolan Trump, because his policies are so off the wall delusional and so damaging to the economy if they get implemented, the poorest of the poor who support Trump will be even worse off than they are right now, and middle class people will find their lives devastated. You're going to support him now, see if you'll support him once you no longer have health insurance because the government cant pay for it.
This also shows you have no idea what you have about how difficult it is for an immigrant to make a new life coming into the USA. They want to work hard so that their children can have a better life in a country that isn't a steaming shithole like wherever they might've come from, say for example Mexico. They want to live and start their own families. They want to escape from the spectre of drugs and violence. And yet people like you want to deny them this opportunity because you feel they have no place here, according to the hateful rhetoric spewed by that orange toupeed good for nothing, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, had a loan guaranteed by daddy dearest, and many advantages most won't even see in their lifetimes.
Take a good long look at yourself and think for once, why would you want to support somebody so hateful and narcissistic, and so out of touch with reality. You and others like you have a modus operandi of supporting that creature because 'even if his ideas sound crazy, they're crazy enough that they might work' despite all the evidence to the contrary. If you still want to support him after that, be my guest, but also be prepared for others who know better to call you out on it.[/QUOTE]
I grew up in Southern California. I know what coming to America means for immigrants, because I have [I]lived with[/I] and [I]befriended[/I] these immigrants and their children for many years. I don't want people to deal with the crime and drugs in Central and South America.
That said, you can only give out so much before you start becoming unable to take care of yourself. You need to take care of your own people before you take care of others. If your own people start to suffer, then you will end up with nothing to give out to those who ask for it. Being accepted into the US is a privilege, not a right. Same goes for any sovereign country. American citizens as well want to start families and get out of whatever poor shithole they are living in and prosper. You would think an American citizen would have priority treatment from the government or even other American citizens.
[editline]31st August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;50982369]Weren't you just talking earlier about the whole straight white male getting the MAGA treatment and being good enough? If so, then you don't truly care for who all makes the citizens of America.[/QUOTE]
I believe Trump will Make America Great Again for [I]all[/I] citizens. I want [I]all American citizens[/I] to be able to have a good life in their home country.
Whoever I quoted thinks that it would only apply to white christian conservatives which is why I threw the counterpoint out there.
I have absolutely no idea how anything Trump proposes will work here. Applicants can easily lie, and get quite good at it!
[QUOTE=Smoot;50981891]If Trump becomes president I don't think Mexico will pay for the wall, however, I think it will still happen.
[media]https://youtu.be/NkSo0QQLUfE[/media][/QUOTE]
Imagine the economic boost from such a project... if you do it well and focus on small businesses and lasting infrastructure you could get a serious lasting economic effect from such a project.
[editline]1st September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50982294]So let me get this straight
You want infrastructure to rival the Chinese
And you're
Going
To
Build a
Wall.
The joke writes itself dude[/QUOTE]
Thats actually pretty fucking funny... i cant believe this has only 3 stars.
[QUOTE=Naught;50982400]'man, hitler is saying all these really bad things about jews. but, in my heart, I believe that he's a good person, and doesnt mean anything that he's saying.'
(not comparing him to hitler, just an easy comparison)
the republican party as a whole is anti gay, anti lgbt, basically pro-white pro-good ol christian values. this is a FACT. you cant honestly say that trump doesnt believe in any of the stuff that he's peddling. if he didnt believe any of it, or mean any, than he's just a liar, which honestly...doesn't make him any better. not to mention you can't say that its a broad statement that many people who support him dont like/care about lgbt and the like. its just...how the party is. and its how they've been for years.[/QUOTE]
I will agree the GOP today is shit. I've never liked it. If Trump loses I can at least take solace in knowing that the GOP was wrecked beyond repair as a result.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982441]I will agree the GOP today is shit. I've never liked it. If Trump loses I can at least take solace in knowing that the GOP was wrecked beyond repair as a result.[/QUOTE]
Amen brother, and also if trump supporters really fail the immigration test then i dont get why more people vote trump... it would be an easy way of getting rid of all the idiots in america since that test is super basic western values.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50982452]Amen brother, and also if trump supporters really fail the immigration test then i dont get why more people vote trump... it would be an easy way of getting rid of all the idiots in america since that test is super basic western values.[/QUOTE]
Most Americans cant even pass the US Citizenship test we force applicants to take. If you're gonna bring people in you might as well make sure they are more aware of our History and government than the average American.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50982413]Imagine the economic boost from such a project... if you do it well and focus on small businesses and lasting infrastructure you could get a serious lasting economic effect from such a project.[/QUOTE]
If it was a factory, a road, or a power plant or something useful like that, maybe. A wall doesn't produce anything of economic value, it can't recoup its costs. You'd be putting money into the hands of building contractors and security firms, but if it's not doing anything for people then it's just sitting there generating billions of dollars of debt in the process. It's false economic growth, it's the same principle behind China commissioning the construction of all those cities that nobody lives in.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;50982490]If it was a factory, a road, or a power plant or something useful like that, maybe. A wall doesn't produce anything of economic value, it can't recoup its costs. You'd be putting money into the hands of building contractors and security firms, but if it's not doing anything for people then it's just sitting there generating billions of dollars of debt in the process. It's false economic growth, it's the same principle behind China commissioning the construction of all those cities that nobody lives in.[/QUOTE]
You can say that any security project is a money sink. Its only as valuable as what it prevents. The hope for this project is that it will significantly reduce the amount of drugs crossing the border and give us better control of who comes into the country from Mexico. Probability Risk Assessment is the name of the field I think that looks into how much should be invested in safety/security to prevent an accident or event from occuring, based on its frequency and its consequence ($$$ or life loss)
[QUOTE=srobins;50982300]He's referring to illegal immigrants who are caught committing crimes and then released back into the United States rather than, you know, being deported? You would know that if you actually read or watched his speech. Trump is an idiot but some of the things he talked about were valid concerns and failures in our immigration system.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make his proposed solution any less shit. If officials are fucking up enough to not deport illegals while they have them in their hands I don't see why this task force would be any more successful on catching them while they're free to move about. If people are falling through the cracks you fill those cracks, not put a bucket under it. It's difficult enough to catch people doing actual tangible crimes, much less something like illegal migration without committing some gross violations of privacy.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982401]I grew up in Southern California. I know what coming to America means for immigrants, because I have [I]lived with[/I] and [I]befriended[/I] these immigrants and their children for many years. I don't want people to deal with the crime and drugs in Central and South America.[/QUOTE]
I have black friends guys I ain't racist I swear
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982191]Label him as you like, it does not change my view of him. I respect Trump for shaking up the horrible American political system and calling out bullshit on both sides of the spectrum. I know from his real estate history that he is a visionary in seeing what things could be, and does not tolerate incompetence in his businesses. I don't entirely agree with all of his policies (reviving coal for one), however I believe Trump is what is needed right now. Clinton is more of the same corruption, inaction, and politics as usual, and I don't want that in my future.
I don't know what your family's situation is like, but Trump's focus is on improving the United States for its citizens. America halted immigration in the past for various reasons, and we have let immigration come back after some time.[/QUOTE]
Lmao you're the RAYHALO of Trump.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982499]You can say that any security project is a money sink. Its only as valuable as what it prevents. The hope for this project is that it will significantly reduce the amount of drugs crossing the border and give us better control of who comes into the country from Mexico. Probability Risk Assessment is the name of the field I think that looks into how much should be invested in safety/security to prevent an accident or event from occuring, based on its frequency and its consequence ($$$ or life loss)[/QUOTE]
There was already an alternative security proposal in this thread that just off the cuff made more sense than a wall.
You want infrastructure? This guy ain't Eisenhower. He's going to try and build a wall and he's going to kick start coal up again even if the Koch brothers haven't paid him anything? I struggle to understand the reasoning.
Do you want to minimize the impact the cartel can have in the US? start with rehab programs, with stopping the punitive system of justice in the US for smaller crimes, start pushing harder for education programs in prisons, and get better education into the poorer communities across the nation. Start educating people more and actually do it for real.
And you know what? You're right, a probably risk assesment would be done for such a thing typically. But you know what? No ones doing one for it because it's totally infeasible and unethical. Not only does it do nothing to actually combat the issues that the US faces in terms of drugs and arms, it'll exacerbate every issue on the other side of the wall and a forced bill to pay for said wall will create even worse economic turmoil in a struggling nation. For some reason, this is information Trump supporters struggle to absorb, but it's true.
Lets just glaze over the numerous animals that make a life across [B]both[/B] sides of the border across the length of the border. Because everyone seems to be doing that. Okay. Lets glaze over the issue of spending 25 billion conservatively, more with any issues arising, on a wall to rival China, rather than the infrastructure you supposedly care about, because you've already glazed over that.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you make it so fucking hard.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50981959]Are you serious? This is the guy who doesn't respect the LGBT community at all, and has even degraded them. Do you think his fanbase actually gives two shits about the LGBT community because I've never felt anything but pure hatred and nonacceptance towards the LGBT community.[/QUOTE]
Also you never seemed to respond to this, you want to believe there's no anti lgbt element in the Trump crowd? Why did they go for Pence? He's a bigot, and proud of it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50982587]There was already an alternative security proposal in this thread that just off the cuff made more sense than a wall.
You want infrastructure? This guy ain't Eisenhower. He's going to try and build a wall and he's going to kick start coal up again even if the Koch brothers haven't paid him anything? I struggle to understand the reasoning.
Do you want to minimize the impact the cartel can have in the US? start with rehab programs, with stopping the punitive system of justice in the US for smaller crimes, start pushing harder for education programs in prisons, and get better education into the poorer communities across the nation. Start educating people more and actually do it for real.
And you know what? You're right, a probably risk assesment would be done for such a thing typically. But you know what? No ones doing one for it because it's totally infeasible and unethical. Not only does it do nothing to actually combat the issues that the US faces in terms of drugs and arms, it'll exacerbate every issue on the other side of the wall and a forced bill to pay for said wall will create even worse economic turmoil in a struggling nation. For some reason, this is information Trump supporters struggle to absorb, but it's true.
Lets just glaze over the numerous animals that make a life across [B]both[/B] sides of the border across the length of the border. Because everyone seems to be doing that. Okay. Lets glaze over the issue of spending 25 billion conservatively, more with any issues arising, on a wall to rival China, rather than the infrastructure you supposedly care about, because you've already glazed over that.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you make it so fucking hard.
Also you never seemed to respond to this, you want to believe there's no anti lgbt element in the Trump crowd? Why did they go for Pence? He's a bigot, and proud of it.[/QUOTE]
To add on to this, that 25 billion isnt even going to be the worst of the amount of spending he plans on implementing.
According to [url=http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full]this document[/url] any proposed plans he has will just send the economy into a tailspin, costing 9.6 trillion dollars estimate, increasing the national debt by 80% in 2036, and might outright negate all the positive impacts it might introduce.
And this is just with the proposed tax plans, and not including any other brilliant ideas he thought up.
[QUOTE=Anderan;50982530]That doesn't make his proposed solution any less shit. If officials are fucking up enough to not deport illegals while they have them in their hands I don't see why this task force would be any more successful on catching them while they're free to move about. If people are falling through the cracks you fill those cracks, not put a bucket under it. It's difficult enough to catch people doing actual tangible crimes, much less something like illegal migration without committing some gross violations of privacy.[/QUOTE]
The entire point is to deport illegal immigrants who are caught committing crimes. The entire concept here is to fill the cracks.
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