Trump Details Immigration Policy in Phoenix, AZ - We WILL Have a Wall, and Mexico WILL Pay for It!
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[QUOTE=srobins;50982640]The entire point is to deport illegal immigrants who are caught committing crimes. The entire concept here is to fill the cracks.[/QUOTE]
Except it's not filling shit. It would be like a jail leaving all the doors opening and then making a task force to catch inmates as they walk out instead of closing the door. To fill the cracks you'd have to fix the problems causing them to avoid deportation in the first place, not catch them after they've avoided it. Anything else is just a reactionary stopgap that doesn't address the actual problem.
[QUOTE=Anderan;50982670]Except it's not filling shit. It would be like a jail leaving all the doors opening and then making a task force to catch inmates as they walk out instead of closing the door. To fill the cracks you'd have to fix the problems causing them to avoid deportation in the first place, not catch them after they've avoided it. Anything else is just a reactionary stopgap that doesn't address the actual problem.[/QUOTE]
I'd be like a jail with only one wall, to be perfectly honest.
[QUOTE=Anderan;50982670]Except it's not filling shit. It would be like a jail leaving all the doors opening and then making a task force to catch inmates as they walk out instead of closing the door. To fill the cracks you'd have to fix the problems causing them to avoid deportation in the first place, not catch them after they've avoided it. Anything else is just a reactionary stopgap that doesn't address the actual problem.[/QUOTE]
Clearly there's some disconnect here? The issue is that illegal immigrants are caught committing crimes and are not deported. Trump's plan would be to deport them, rather than release them back into society. How is that not filling the gap?
[QUOTE=srobins;50982709]Clearly there's some disconnect here? The issue is that illegal immigrants are caught committing crimes and are not deported. Trump's plan would be to deport them, rather than release them back into society. How is that not filling the gap?[/QUOTE]
His plan is to catch them when they've "evaded justice", i.e. after they've already avoided deportation. They shouldn't be evading it in the first place.
[QUOTE=Anderan;50982715]His plan is to catch them when they've "evaded justice", i.e. after they've already avoided deportation. They shouldn't be evading it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Is that really where you're drawing this from, the vague phrasing of "evading justice"? He's referring to the fact that in the past (and currently) they are/have been [I]evading justice[/I] by not being deported when they are caught committing crimes. His proposal is to deport them when they are caught committing crimes. What do you think his plan was, to let them go and then send a hitman squad to hunt them through the city after a 24 hour grace period? Christ almighty.
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I mean, do you even stop to think for a second about what your interpretation is implying? Are you seriously trying to tell me his plan is to intentionally let them go.. Then hunt them down at a later date?? As opposed to the most obvious and immediate explanation which is that this "task force" will specifically handle deporting criminals at the time of conviction? It's awesome how you seem to agree with the principle of what Trump is saying, yet twist his words into some completely outlandish interpretation that lets you attack him anyway.
[QUOTE=srobins;50982726]Is that really where you're drawing this from, the vague phrasing of "evading justice"? He's referring to the fact that in the past (and currently) they are/have been [I]evading justice[/I] by not being deported when they are caught committing crimes. His proposal is to deport them when they are caught committing crimes. What do you think his plan was, to let them go and then send a hitman squad to hunt them through the city after a 24 hour grace period? Christ almighty.
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I mean, do you even stop to think for a second about what your interpretation is implying? Are you seriously trying to tell me his plan is to intentionally let them go.. Then hunt them down at a later date?? As opposed to the most obvious and immediate explanation which is that this "task force" will specifically handle deporting criminals at the time of conviction? It's awesome how you seem to agree with the principle of what Trump is saying, yet twist his words into some completely outlandish interpretation that lets you attack him anyway.[/QUOTE]
Nice job putting words in my mouth. I totally meant that his plan is to send hit squads after intentionally letting them free. Yep, that's entirely what I meant and not that I believe his plan is unrealistic. But hey, your personal interpretation that he's just vaguely saying criminal illegals are bad and he'll make a task force that will somehow magically identify illegals all around the country and deport them is obviously the only correct interpretation.
It's not like police or the correctional facilities couldn't just check citizenship of the people they arrest or anything.
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But seriously, no I wasn't suggesting he's going to let them go intentionally. I'm suggesting the current system accidentally lets them go without deporting them and the task force is intended to root these people out after they've gotten away. I don't see how this is hard to understand.
[QUOTE=Anderan;50982765]Nice job putting words in my mouth. I totally meant that his plan is to send hit squads after intentionally letting them free. Yep, that's entirely what I meant and not that I believe his plan is unrealistic. But hey, your personal interpretation that he's just vaguely saying criminal illegals are bad and he'll make a task force that will somehow magically identify illegals all around the country and deport them is obviously the only correct interpretation.
It's not like police or the correctional facilities couldn't just check citizenship of the people they arrest or anything.
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But seriously, no I wasn't suggesting he's going to let them go intentionally. I'm suggesting the current system accidentally lets them go without deporting them and the task force is intended to root these people out after they've gotten away. I don't see how this is hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
And I'm saying there's nothing to imply that is the case. At best you could argue his plan is too vague but the idea that he isn't aiming to deport them on their initial contact with law enforcement is unfounded and worthless. You're making an issue where there is none and criticizing him for something he hasn't said.
There is an issue. Even if his intention is to identify them at arrest this is literally something law enforcement can already do. He's at best making a worthless promise that doesn't actually help anything to make it appear as if he has an actual plan when he doesn't.
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This is all assuming that criminal illegals not getting deported when they should is even a significant issue.
and there goes RIPBILLYMAYS's credibility
never forget
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]
I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump? If he only wants to MAGA for white conservative christians, well I would be included in that category right? [/QUOTE]
You're a gigantic cunt
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982360]Figured this would raise some eyebrows. I'm not declaring crap like white supremacy. I brought it up because people think that the only people voting for Trump are white people because they will keep the scary brown people away.[/QUOTE]
hold the fuck up
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982339]What people are ignoring is the white communities who don't want the cultural, linguistic, or lifestyle changes. They are labelled as racist for not immediately accepting all these progressive motions, and no one seems to want to hear their side of the story.[/QUOTE]
here you say Trump speaks to communities of straight white voters like yourself who disagree with "progressive motions", like inclusion of other cultures or lifestyles - which in your own example would be ones from non-white communities, like, yeah, brown people. you didn't even go one post without directly contradicting yourself.
someone should check the translators.
if the prez of mwxico says he told him he would not pay for it then i believe him. trump probably is lying about not mentioning it in the meeting
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[QUOTE=Anderan;50982808]There is an issue. Even if his intention is to identify them at arrest this is literally something law enforcement can already do. He's at best making a worthless promise that doesn't actually help anything to make it appear as if he has an actual plan when he doesn't.
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This is all assuming that criminal illegals not getting deported when they should is even a significant issue.[/QUOTE]
its not we dont deport them because we can't, we can and do but we also toss them in jail here where they stay locked up. the only reason its even mentioned is because of trump and one case in california
You know RIPBILLYMAYS I used to think you were a genuinely smart person who was just misguided and got caught up in the Trump thing for whatever reason, and I used to respect you a little bit. Because he was vaguely pro nuclear? Because you didn't like Clinton corruption, etc?
But after your posts in this thread, the idea that 'why wouldn't I vote for Trump, I'm white and male and he won't affect me!'... I've come to the conclusion you're just as bigoted and awful as the rest.
I can't decide whether this election has been a bad or good thing. On the one hand it has bigotry, sectarianism and racism mainstream again and allowed evil and divisive forces to project their sick views. On the other hand, by revealing these forces in our communities and other places, we know those with backwards views and this allows us to challenge and change them.
But it appears we've lost that battle with the Trump supporters here. They refuse under any circumstances to change their views. It's a bitter, bitter thing.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982261]I'm a straight white male, why wouldn't I vote for Trump?[/QUOTE]
this line sums up accurately and beautifully over a years worth of arguments. its also one of the best arguments against trump entering the presidential palace i have seen yet
30% of the american population is composed of straight white males - a figure that is shrinking
why should he win?
Yeah billy I don't know why you bothered posting that line. Regardless of the context you intended, people were always going to take it this way.
I hope you're ready to see this get quoted whenever you talk about Trump, now :v:
[QUOTE=evilweazel;50983747]Yeah billy I don't know why you bothered posting that line. Regardless of the context you intended, people were always going to take it this way.
I hope you're ready to see this get quoted whenever you talk about Trump, now :v:[/QUOTE]
Cool, people will take my words out of context. I'm used to it by now.
People think that's the reason I'm voting for Trump and won't listen any of the actual reasons I'm voting Trump. I put it out there for arguments sake and if people want to think of me as a [insert label here] because I brought it up then I can't stop them.
Haha, so are we going to hear any retractions from the people who were saying that he flip-flopped on this issue?
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50983934]Cool, people will take my words out of context. I'm used to it by now.
People think that's the reason I'm voting for Trump and won't listen any of the actual reasons I'm voting Trump. I put it out there for arguments sake and if people want to think of me as a [insert label here] because I brought it up then I can't stop them.[/QUOTE]
When you lose credibility you ought to expect people to stop bothering listening to you
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50983934]Cool, people will take my words out of context. I'm used to it by now.
People think that's the reason I'm voting for Trump and won't listen any of the actual reasons I'm voting Trump. I put it out there for arguments sake and if people want to think of me as a [insert label here] because I brought it up then I can't stop them.[/QUOTE]
Alright, what are your reasons for Trump? I want you to restate them here, I'm curious. Because you have lost credibility and I want you to maybe regain it by adequately explaining why you support Trump.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982499]You can say that any security project is a money sink. Its only as valuable as what it prevents. The hope for this project is that it will significantly reduce the amount of drugs crossing the border and give us better control of who comes into the country from Mexico. Probability Risk Assessment is the name of the field I think that looks into how much should be invested in safety/security to prevent an accident or event from occuring, based on its frequency and its consequence ($$$ or life loss)[/QUOTE]
They use drones and slingshots to launch drugs over the border. Shit a high ladder can do the same thing. The wall is a completely stupid way to throw money at something that is piss easy to get around with very little planning.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50981800][b]"Within [Immigration and Customs Enforcement], I am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in America who have evaded justice, just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice, okay?[/b] Maybe they'll be able to deport her," he said.
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Can I just say that I really love the choice of bold text here? You can really sense RIPBILLYMAYS thinking "don't... don't read that part... please..."
[QUOTE=King Tiger;50984045]Haha, so are we going to hear any retractions from the people who were saying that he flip-flopped on this issue?[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone said he committed to a flip-flop, but it sure looked like he was about to and then decided against it. No reason to retract that.
[QUOTE=Smoot;50981891]If Trump becomes president I don't think Mexico will pay for the wall, however, I think it will still happen.
[media]https://youtu.be/NkSo0QQLUfE[/media][/QUOTE]
One thing that isn't mentioned in a lot of these videos - what about the Rio Grande? It makes up a huge portion of the border and I imagine that a 20-foot-high wall would block access to it for fishing, shipping, and so forth. So which country loses their access to the river? Or is the plan to build the wall down the center of the waterway?
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Riogrande_watershed.png[/IMG]
If you wanted controversial change, it's not a good idea to vote for the guy who calls Hillary and Obama the creators of a terrorist organization, an incredibly fucking extreme accusation, double down on it, then turn your back on it saying it was sarcasm, and then saying it was sarcasm but also not really
you should have voted sanders
[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;50984470]One thing that isn't mentioned in a lot of these videos - what about the Rio Grande? It makes up a huge portion of the border and I imagine that a 20-foot-high wall would block access to it for fishing, shipping, and so forth. So which country loses their access to the river? Or is the plan to build the wall down the center of the waterway?
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Riogrande_watershed.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
wall that bitch up...
river keeps flowing? wall just got 6 feet higher.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50984893]wall that bitch up...
river keeps flowing? wall just got 6 feet higher.[/QUOTE]
You aren't serious right?
You know how much ecological damage and economic damage that would cause right?
EDIT:
Instead of being a snarky shit, I'll tell you at a minimum what fucking with the Rio Grande would mean for Texas. The Rio Grande Valley (that bit down by the gulf) is one of Texas' most important agricultural areas. It's also one of the fastest developing areas of the United States. That whole area absolutely depends on the Rio Grande for its industry and development. Altering the flow of the river will more than likely screw up the RGV, and if the RGV gets screwed up, American consumers are going to have to import more agricultural products, probably from Mexico. Trump's wall would actually increase our trade deficit.
EDIT 2:
Also, fucking with the Rio Grande and [URL="http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexican-drug-cartel-behind-increase-in-lime-prices-1.2584437"]hurting domestic citrus production in the RGV only helps the Mexican Cartels[/URL]. Say hello to more crime and corruption.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50984893]wall that bitch up...
river keeps flowing? wall just got 6 feet higher.[/QUOTE]
why are environmental impact and feasibility studies a thing? :downs:
I can't believe anyone can actually defend building that monstrosity, like its a feasible idea at all. I want whatever those people are smoking.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50982360]Figured this would raise some eyebrows. I'm not declaring crap like white supremacy. I brought it up because people think that the only people voting for Trump are white people because they will keep the scary brown people away. I don't like people thinking that I'm voting Trump because I'm white, that's on par with assuming all African-Americans voted for Obama because he's black. Its demeaning to think of someone that way.
I value having solidarity as a group of people, namely being an American citizen. Race/sex/sexuality is irrelevant. I don't see Trump as the racist/sexist/whatever people paint him out to be.[/QUOTE]
People are assuming that you are voting for Trump because you are white because you said, "I am a straight white male. Why WOULDN'T I vote for Trump?"
Then you went on to explain that people shouldn't want white culture to be destroyed by minorities
So how is criticizing any of that irrelevant?
the great wall of america
i mean, how is it supposed to work when the great wall of china didn't work, and they didn't even have planes back then
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