is torsah one of those guys who refuses to identify as a feminist because it comes from the root word "feminine"
he sounds so hell bent on preserving his masculinity and being "a gentleman." lmfao.
[editline]25th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Egevened;43309835]tbh I must be a retard as I dont view sex as a reward, only the same way I view winning a game of dota 2, or eating ice cream as a reward
as long as I enjoy something why the fuck boast about it and think more of myself because I "get it"
fuck social norms
[editline]26th December 2013[/editline]
I'm going to love every single woman, even those I bring home to one nighters
why? because fuck
[editline]26th December 2013[/editline]
everyone who gets fucked or fucks deserves to be loved, and it's the norm for any person looking to get fucked or to fuck, admitted or not
this nice guys dont get the pussy and omg you have to be masculine to get to bed with someone with boobs thing makes me cringe so much, the simple thing that this is even an issue to begin with
fuck overanalyzing, start fucking and loving[/QUOTE]
sex isn't even that big of a deal, anyways. a lot of nerds on the internet treat it like some sort of goal you have to reach, sometimes putting that objective above, y'know, [I]having a healthy relationship.[/I]
you can have perfectly loving relationships without having or rarely having sex.
the real trick to getting girls is wearing a fedora
try it guys it works
[quote]Boys, like girls, have complicated feelings. They struggle with their identities. They have no idea how to approach females. [/quote]
Step one to not being awkward while approaching "females": Stop using female as a noun
The real way to raise a boy to become a great man is to raise him for more than just marrying a woman.
[editline]26th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43310046]Step one to not being awkward while approaching "females": Stop using female as a noun[/QUOTE]
yeah holy fuck using a noun as a noun way to objectify women you fucking facist cunt.
i have so many problems and the only solution is to have sex with everything around me
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43310053]yeah holy fuck using a noun as a noun way to objectify women you fucking facist cunt.[/QUOTE]
that's not what he was saying at all...? you should calm down
(i dunno about your native language, but i personally have a strong kneejerk reaction to that word because its french equivalent is really cold/distant/dehumanizing)
Modern masculinity is awful I really hope it dies out
Just don't let them watch geordie shore, and they'll probably be okay
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43310302]that's not what he was saying at all...? you should calm down
(i dunno about your native language, but i personally have a strong kneejerk reaction to that word [B]because its french equivalent is really cold/distant/dehumanizing)[/B][/QUOTE]
That's not the case in the English language.
[QUOTE=Banned?;43310478]That's not the case in the English language.[/QUOTE]
If you're referring to "cunt", it is the case in the part of America I live. It's probably on par with "Nigger" on the list of "worst words to say in the English language" here.
[QUOTE=Banned?;43310478]That's not the case in the English language.[/QUOTE]
Probably not to the same extent, but you have to admit it sounds a bit impersonal.
Why is it suddenly so important to force others be what you think it's right? If you want to be Mr Nice Guy and you are happy with that you should be able to be that person, but the same goes if you want to be Mr Manly.
Why push others to be what they don't want? There's girls who like Mr Manly and girls who like Mr Nice, and in that topic, why should you base your personality solely on what girls will like? Be happy with your values and you are more likely to find someone who thinks like you.
Both young boys and young girls don't really have many positive role models that are front and center in the public eye, and the ones they grow up with kind of make children see genders in such a separate light, i.e. GI Joe and Cowboys & Indians versus Barbie and Easy Bake Oven. The boy learns he needs to be tough, gruff, and has to save the girl while the girl learns she needs to be pretty, slim and fall into traditional female roles around the house.
You then get boys who grow up with sex on the mind and to be insensitive because they feel that to be validated among their peer group they need to lose their virginity and "girls like tough, manly men", and girls are pressured into being unnaturally thin and beautiful to get a guy because "guys like big breasted thin women". When the boys fail to compare to the beefed up macho man or when the girls fail to compare to compare to the 85 lb supermodel it leads to unnecessary stress at one end to psychological dysfunction at another. And it gets even more cloudy if the child isn't straight, especially with homophobia still rampant in some communities.
There's so much pressure to be someone that they're not and kids get beaten down by it. Depression, anxiety, and shame for not being "up to par" to an unrealistic standard is not healthy. Not all boys play sports, beef up or act suave, and not all girls are super thin, have a goddess face or big tits. Especially for the boys and girls who tend to stick to their academics, life can be cruel if they don't fit the image society thrusts upon them, from parents trying to shove them into activities they don't like or constantly reminding them that they need to do have a partner to their peers teasing them for being different or even indirectly making them feel inferior to them because the peers are more of a fit to that image of the person they feel they should be.
And then, when interaction with the opposite sex occurs, each person has an ideal of what the other person is like that is far from the truth, and communication breaks down. They fear rejection so they don't even bother, because they internalize that "they're not good enough" because of the way they look or act. Some people are naturally shy, and when they feel this way on top of that then they grow more inward and their lives suffer for it. And both genders suffer this. Especially men, since their image of an ideal man is not one who feels emotion and doesn't talk about how he's feeling, so when a child suffers from depression or anxiety they bottle it up until it explodes, and they don't get the help they need. Parents often don't know how to treat emotional children, and telling them to "man up" and "not cry" further enforce the idea that they shouldn't feel the way they are feeling, and that further makes them feel inadequate. Men have the highest suicide rate among genders in America, and while both genders experience the same levels of anxiety and depression women are more likely to seek help for it (There was an excellent article in TIME magazine about this that I wish I snagged from my doctor's office).
Our society needs to put way less pressure on our children. Let them follow their own path and be their own person, and give them positive realistic role models that make them want to be better people for themselves only, not for the validation of the opposite sex or peer group.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;43310503]If you're referring to "cunt", it is the case in the part of America I live. It's probably on par with "Nigger" on the list of "worst words to say in the English language" here.[/QUOTE]
I'm not. Max was talking about the world "female".
Also, "cunt" is pretty terrible but I don't think it's as bad as "nigger" but I'm not the official source of derogatory rankings and it's off subject.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;43310511]Probably not to the same extent, but you have to admit it sounds a bit impersonal.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much.
[QUOTE=Banned?;43310576]I'm not. Max was talking about the world "female".
Also, "cunt" is pretty terrible but I don't think it's as bad as "nigger" but I'm not the official source of derogatory rankings and it's off subject.[/QUOTE]
Oh. My bad, then.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43310046]Step one to not being awkward while approaching "females": Stop using female as a noun[/QUOTE]
The problem is terms like "women" or "girls" imply a certain age or, in some cases, a certain level of maturity. "Females" is much more neutral and encompassing.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43309977]is torsah one of those guys who refuses to identify as a feminist because it comes from the root word "feminine" [/QUOTE]
milkandcooki can't help himself bringing feminism into everything, even when it's totally irrelevant and the thread is about B O Y S
[QUOTE=Pelican;43310740]milkandcooki can't help himself bringing feminism into everything, even when it's totally irrelevant and the thread is about B O Y S[/QUOTE]
feminism is PRETTY relevant (in most situations, actually), especially when you consider the content of the article
I remember my Dad used to chase me Homer Simpson style when I was naughty and thought I could get away with it, I remember my brother at his tender pudgy age of 11 calling my dad by his first name and insulting him in front of his friends.
I have never to this day seen a fat kid run faster than a man with a belt in my life, the moral I'm trying to make is don't upset your parents if they are Greek and old school. But on a more serious note, there's a lot of a-morality which is looked at with general ridicule amongst this whole bullshit, nonsensical "alpha/beta" trend mentality that needs to be confronted if kids in western society will ever have a chance at developing into the human beings they are at their hearts.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43310053]yeah holy fuck using a noun as a noun way to objectify women you fucking facist cunt.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't really have anything to do with it..??
by using an adjective such as 'male' and 'female' as a noun, there is an inadvertent implication of inherent separation between the two groups, which can lead to dehumanization.
is it silly? yes. but this is how people think, and this is how language affects the way people think.
I have never in my life heard of using the term "female" in that way as having any kind of sexist undertones.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43311733]I have never in my life heard of using the term "female" in that way as having any kind of sexist undertones.[/QUOTE]
If there's nothing for them to complain about, they'll find a way.
I've always seen female as synonymous with woman, same with male and man, just being a bit more formal and used in academia a lot.
I wouldn't call people around me females unless I was trying to be snooty, but if I were to talk about a group trend or write something in a paper I'd refer to the group as females. Eg. Look at all the women here at this party; Statistics show that such and such percent of females do such and such.
[QUOTE=TorashVD;43308671]If you hit the guy who just harassed your girlfriend or talked shit about friends, family etc. , which is considered a manly move, most people will stare at you and your girlfriend will most probably say to you that you are "embarrassing" her.[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck would you hit someone for talking shit about family and friends are you a fucking ape holy shit
Girlfriend I can sorta agree with a wee bit, but unless it was physical that is some stupid shit
You aren't being scolded for 'being manly', you're being scolded for being a fuckwit
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43311733]I have never in my life heard of using the term "female" in that way as having any kind of sexist undertones.[/QUOTE]
Its kinda awkward to use male and female to describe a person rather than man or woman because male and female are also adjectives. That is also coupled with male and female being kinda dehumanized/scientific words.
I find it hard to strike up a conversation with women, the moment anyone else walks past I rip of my shirt and beat my chest angrily at them. This often ends up with me climbing buildings with woman clutched in one arm.
[QUOTE=Tomthetechy;43312022]I find it hard to strike up a conversation with women, the moment anyone else walks past I rip of my shirt and beat my chest angrily at them. This often ends up with me climbing buildings with woman clutched in one arm.[/QUOTE]
I just take some meth and start masturbating furiously.
People who dislike the article, what are your critiques?
[QUOTE=Ardosos;43310707]The problem is terms like "women" or "girls" imply a certain age or, in some cases, a certain level of maturity. "Females" is much more neutral and encompassing.[/QUOTE]
Jesus fucking Christ. I can't believe this actually a thing. When you're talking about women in a broader sense - with no age distinction (especially in this formal discussion) you use females because it doesn't discriminate their age. Formally, "girl" tends to be reserved for much younger women, though you can use it socially irl regardless of the girl's age because you usually always speak informally at a social-level. But in any academic discussion (FP really isn't, but it's close enough) you don't use the informal vernacular but use the accurate female terminology instead because you're referring to women regardless of age.
People use females as often as they use males. It's not an attempt to dehumanize them. I still think it's weird when someone says 'female' social-causally in real life but the dude is probably just trying to sound smart/really formal as opposed to being a misogynist bent on objectifying women.
I think you guys are misinterpreting Zeke's point and running this thread into the ground as a result.
He didn't say that you shouldn't use the word female ever, or that it has any sexist or misogynistic meaning, but that when "approaching a female" you shouldn't actually use the word female because it's weirdly formal.
It goes both ways too. Ask a female friend if she is seeing anyone currently. She probably isn't going to say "I haven't been with any males in awhile" or "Oh yeah I'm currently seeing this male named Jack".
[QUOTE=Starpluck;43312088]People use females as often as they use males. It's not an attempt to dehumanize them. I still think it's weird when someone says 'female' social-causally in real life but [B]the dude[/B] is probably just trying to sound smart/really formal as opposed to being a misogynist bent on objectifying women.[/QUOTE]
Best part of this stupid argument, the name of the misogynist pig trying to dehumanise women.
[quote]By Susan Bodnar, Special to CNN[/quote]
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