[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;43313946]I've seen you and your buddies tear people new ones on both ends of the spectrum, one for using the term female when discussing social and gender issues you deride them for being "autists" or virgin neckbeards (and its already been made clear you're a virgin, so this is ironic), on the other end someone uses the term "girls" and you deride them for not respecting women's status as adults or some shit.
I really don't think you're in a position to comment, and I've seen your face as well as your supposed suicide attempt many years ago, dollars to donuts you're an awkward and damn near paralytic when you have to engage anyone outside of your family.[/QUOTE]
it's funny being called awkward by the guy who plays alpha dog on the internet
also I doubt I've used "autist" as an insult in the last few years, I get just about as bent out of shape about implications of mental problems as an insult as I do about misogyny
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314601]You should understand that no matter how nice you are, a white male is always going be a white male, meaning ultimately, unavoidably an oppressor of women. You should take responsibility of the white male hivemind and feel bad for all the horrible shit your kind has done to women over the years.
Also the fact that your kind has done so much horrible shit to women justifies mistreatment of your kind. Moreover it's not even sexism or discrimination if it's done to your kind, because it's not institutionalized or something.
Just summed up the logic these people use for you. Of course they will disagree, just to say the same exact shit few posts later.[/QUOTE]
What in the almighty fuck is your problem?
Oh boohoo, someone is challenging the status quo of white guys being top dog, are you really that fucking threatened by this idea that you will go out of you way to attempt to discredit the idea by insulting the people purporting it instead of actually putting the effort in and [B]discrediting the idea itself[/B]?
Yes, for the largest amount of time white guys happen to have had most of the power, we were the monarchs, the capitalists, the salve traders. Women were relegated to staying at home and doing chores, cooking, and in general ensuring that their almighty man was comfortable, usually with little return on this effort other than "I love you". Which really isn't fair payback when the woman is expected to behave like this.
Nobody expect the crazies tells white males to feel guilty at all times about this, that isn't the idea behind acknowledging privilege, no, the idea is to actually understand "shit, compared to certain others my life is actually a bit easier at times, I should try and help sort that out, maybe not take advantage too much, be a decent human being maybe".
Nobody except the total lunatics believes that white males suffering is a fair response to them having privilege.
These concepts, at a base enough level, are really, [B]really[/B] fucking simple to understand. How are you failing to grasp what people are conveying to such an extent you will happily build these strawmen as a "defence"?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314601]You should understand that no matter how nice you are, a white male is always going be a white male, meaning ultimately, unavoidably an oppressor of women. You should take responsibility of the white male hivemind and feel bad for all the horrible shit your kind has done to women over the years.
Also the fact that your kind has done so much horrible shit to women justifies mistreatment of your kind. Moreover it's not even sexism or discrimination if it's done to your kind, because it's not institutionalized or something.
Just summed up the logic these people use for you. Of course they will disagree, just to say the same exact shit few posts later.[/QUOTE]
If they say the "exact same shit" so often can you please find us a post that highlights it?
Find me an example of someone on facepunch, either me or another member of "those people", explaining institutional discrimination as "every white male is the oppressor"
To be fair, there were a couple people literally that crazy on this forum. I think I saw one in an ItNN thead.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43314719]To be fair, there were a couple people literally that crazy on this forum. I think I saw one in an ItNN thead.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I cannot for the life of me remember the thread name any more, but there was someone advocating rounding up white males and punishing them, possibly eradicating large numbers of them so they aren't a majority any more.
Poes law kept me from taking it seriously, and then someone else started agreeing and it got weird.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314668]What in the almighty fuck is your problem?
Oh boohoo, someone is challenging the status quo of white guys being top dog, are you really that fucking threatened by this idea that you will go out of you way to attempt to discredit the idea by insulting the people purporting it instead of actually putting the effort in and [B]discrediting the idea itself[/B]?
Yes, for the largest amount of time white guys happen to have had most of the power, we were the monarchs, the capitalists, the salve traders. Women were relegated to staying at home and doing chores, cooking, and in general ensuring that their almighty man was comfortable, usually with little return on this effort other than "I love you". Which really isn't fair payback when the woman is expected to behave like this.
Nobody expect the crazies tells white males to feel guilty at all times about this, that isn't the idea behind acknowledging privilege, no, the idea is to actually understand "shit, compared to certain others my life is actually a bit easier at times, I should try and help sort that out, maybe not take advantage too much, be a decent human being maybe".
Nobody except the total lunatics believes that white males suffering is a fair response to them having privilege.
These concepts, at a base enough level, are really, [B]really[/B] fucking simple to understand. How are you failing to grasp what people are conveying to such an extent you will happily build these strawmen as a "defence"?[/QUOTE]
1. I love when everything that people post is just a baseless assumption.
2. I oppose gender roles completely, including men being the authority. That would be difficult if I felt threatened by it would it?
3. I'm not undermining the entire equal rights movement. I'm calling out [I]some [/I]of the people who claim to be fighters of equal rights on being massive hypocrites.
4. I agree that nobody except crazies and total lunatics would say shit like that. But, there's quite a few people on this site (a few less now after the permas) saying shit like that and claiming to be feminists.
5. It's hardly a strawman if I can quote all the shit I've just said being posted by people on this site who consider themselves feminists.
Please don't mistake criticizing certain people who claim to be feminists with opposing equal rights.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43314711]If they say the "exact same shit" so often can you please find us a post that highlights it?
Find me an example of someone on facepunch, either me or another member of "those people", explaining institutional discrimination as "every white male is the oppressor"[/QUOTE]
I don't know about facepunch, but theres an entire website of people who think like this.
But enough about Tumblr.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43314719]To be fair, there were a couple people literally that crazy on this forum. I think I saw one in an ItNN thead.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314735]Yeah, I cannot for the life of me remember the thread name any more, but there was someone advocating rounding up white males and punishing them, possibly eradicating large numbers of them so they aren't a majority any more.
Poes law kept me from taking it seriously, and then someone else started agreeing and it got weird.[/QUOTE]
If you guys suddenly find the link or some shit, pass it my way.
So I can [del]then go and slap faminazis on this forum with it[/del] laugh a bit, I really fucking need it.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314746]1. I love when everything that people post is just a baseless assumption.
2. I oppose gender roles completely, including men being the authority. That would be difficult if I felt threatened by it would it?
3. I'm not undermining the entire equal rights movement. I'm calling out [I]some [/I]of the people who claim to be fighters of equal rights on being massive hypocrites.
4. I agree that nobody except crazies and total lunatics would say shit like that. But, there's quite a few people on this site (a few less now after the permas) saying shit like that and claiming to be feminists.
5. It's hardly a strawman if I can quote all the shit I've just said being posted by people on this site who consider themselves feminists.
Please don't mistake criticizing certain people who claim to be feminists with opposing equal rights.[/QUOTE]
Every time these threads pop up, you are one of the many who pops in just to "call out" a minority of users who (as far as we know) may not even be serious about what they are saying. You then seem to apply this view to every other user who argues (decently I should add, not just half assedly) for equal rights. Such as Zeke, who as far as I can remember has never come close to this stereotype you posted.
The people being permabanned do not count now, they are gone, they were removed because they were either trolling, stupid or fucking crazy. They are in a severe minority. If you really are determined these users exist, posting some quotes would be quite nice, rather than just calling out users at random.
Teach them to be in touch with their feelings, and to not be misogynist?
[QUOTE=Oizen;43314760]I don't know about facepunch, but theres an entire website of people who think like this.
But enough about Tumblr.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually interested in finding out how many of these extreme tumblr blogs are serious, and how many were started as an attempt to discredit the movement, or just create a source of strawmen.
Aha! Found the party thread;
[url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1328273]Take a Bow: Ms. Male Character Explored[/url]
(it gets fun around [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1328273&p=42988269&viewfull=1#post42988269]here[/url]).
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43314711]If they say the "exact same shit" so often can you please find us a post that highlights it?
Find me an example of someone on facepunch, either me or another member of "those people", explaining institutional discrimination as "every white male is the oppressor"[/QUOTE]
[quote=person11;42829947]Basically, even when completely ignorant of your circumstances, and even if you have dedicated your life to being as good a person as possible, if you are a white rich straight guy, you are benefiting from a society built upon oppression, and therefore you are an oppressor. [/quote]
[quote=person11;42829625]Are you a male? Congratulations, you are an oppressor. We all are, since, as far as I know, only guys have posted in this thread. [/quote]
[quote=person11;42832749][quote=Rangergxi;42832610]So aside from being made equal you want there compensation women because they have "oppressed"? [/quote]Yes, though at the same time no amount of money or apology could possibly be enough after the thousands of years of pain we have caused women.
As it has been said by many authors when I researched Japanese war crimes: Reconciliation is a never ending process. The least we can do is start now... [/quote]
There you go.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314812]I'm actually interested in finding out how many of these extreme tumblr blogs are serious, and how many were started as an attempt to discredit the movement, or just create a source of strawmen.[/QUOTE]
Without a doubt a lot of them are fake, but I do know a lot of things on tumblr can be pretty "out there".
Those crazy people do exist.
Found it [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1328273[/url]
Why do all the feminazis hate [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey[/url] ? Because she uses facts in her books that show the actual truth and not the bullshit that the feminist movement is trying to sell? Fuck feminism, shouldn't matter which gender you are and it's known that feminism is for women and not for equal rights for both genders. Maybe we should be focusing on how to raise respectful adults instead of gender specific shit?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314858]There you go.[/QUOTE]
None of that is Zeke genius. If you're going to call people out it helps when your evidence relates to them, and not someone else.
Person11 might actually have gone insane recently, I really don't know. Of he's just given up and is fucking with everyone. Sure Zeke might have asked for posts by anyone and everyone, but you posted that nonsense at the top of the page before any of the possibly insane people were even here.
I don't care that they grow up into men, I care that they grow up into humans.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314791]Every time these threads pop up, you are one of the many who pops in just to "call out" a minority of users who (as far as we know) may not even be serious about what they are saying. You then seem to apply this view to every other user who argues (decently I should add, not just half assedly) for equal rights. Such as Zeke, who as far as I can remember has never come close to this stereotype you posted.
The people being permabanned do not count now, they are gone, they were removed because they were either trolling, stupid or fucking crazy. They are in a severe minority. If you really are determined these users exist, posting some quotes would be quite nice, rather than just calling out users at random.[/QUOTE]
Where do you get the idea that I apply this lunatic logic to everyone who supports equal rights? I'm calling out only a certain group of people WITHIN the people who support equal rights.
And you are seriously naive to think the most frequent defenders of feminism on this site are/were trolls or not serious?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314858]There you go.[/QUOTE]
Well assuming person11 isn't a troll, I have to give you credit for finding it
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;43314887]I don't care that they grow up into men, I care that they grow up into humans.[/QUOTE]
You have some really low standarts for your kids
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314896]Where do you get the idea that I apply this lunatic logic to everyone who supports equal rights? I'm calling out only a certain group of people WITHIN the people who support equal rights.
And you are seriously naive to think the most frequent defenders of feminism on this site are/were trolls or not serious?[/QUOTE]
I never said the most frequent defenders, I said the clearly extreme ones. Most of the people who defend feminism here are perfectly fine, people react negatively to them because of the small group of weirdos, and seem to think they are all that small group.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314876]None of that is Zeke genius.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43314711]If they say the "exact same shit" so often can you please find us a post that highlights it?
[B]Find me an example of someone on facepunch[/B], either me [B]or another member of "those people"[/B], explaining institutional discrimination as "every white male is the oppressor"[/QUOTE]
Quote me where I'm talking about Zeke specifically genius.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314914]I never said the most frequent defenders, I said the clearly extreme ones.[/QUOTE]
But the clearly extreme ones were/are the most frequent defenders. They also happen to be shitposters which warrants their bans but I guess that goes with being a lunatic.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43314914]Most of the people who defend feminism here are perfectly fine, people react negatively to them because of the small group of weirdos, and seem to think they are all that small group.[/QUOTE]
Of course. And calling out the small group doesn't mean I hate feminism or whatever you seem to think.
My parents always told me that they work so hard to raise not good kids, but good adults and good people.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43314593]holy shit someone who isn't just constantly kneejerking
The article mentioned being awkward when approaching women. If you use "females" in casual social situations, [i]you're being awkward as fuck[/i]. I said absolutely nothing about objectifying women, misogyny, or anything of the sort. So many idiots here[/QUOTE]
oh. my bad, then. misinterpretation.
[QUOTE=Oizen;43314760]I don't know about facepunch, but theres an entire website of people who think like this.
But enough about Tumblr.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://pay.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/[/url] has tons of example of the insanity that goes on in there.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314601]You should understand that no matter how nice you are, a white male is always going be a white male, meaning ultimately, unavoidably an oppressor of women. You should take responsibility of the white male hivemind and feel bad for all the horrible shit your kind has done to women over the years.
Also the fact that your kind has done so much horrible shit to women justifies mistreatment of your kind. Moreover it's not even sexism or discrimination if it's done to your kind, because it's not institutionalized or something.
Just summed up the logic these people use for you. Of course they will disagree, just to say the same exact shit few posts later.[/QUOTE]
noone thinks you should feel guilty except you mate. the persecution complexes of white males will never cease to baffle me
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43314898]Well assuming person11 isn't a troll, I have to give you credit for finding it[/QUOTE]
He's either dead serious or the definition of Poe's Law.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43314601]You should understand that no matter how nice you are, a white male is always going be a white male, meaning ultimately, unavoidably an oppressor of women. You should take responsibility of the white male hivemind and feel bad for all the horrible shit your kind has done to women over the years.
Also the fact that your kind has done so much horrible shit to women justifies mistreatment of your kind. Moreover it's not even sexism or discrimination if it's done to your kind, because it's not institutionalized or something.
Just summed up the logic these people use for you. Of course they will disagree, just to say the same exact shit few posts later.[/QUOTE]
you make some sort of derivative of this post in every single thread. you're missing the point in such a weird contrived way.
do you even understand the concept of privilege? do you understand what people mean when they say somebody who is better off is an oppressor? or do you see "white people" and "oppressor" and immediately freak the hell out? judging by the imaginary SJWs you've been arguing with i guess you don't.
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[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43316305][url]https://pay.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/[/url] has tons of example of the insanity that goes on in there.[/QUOTE]
a subreddit dedicated to finding crazy weirdos on tumblr isn't exactly a good source.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43319496]noone thinks you should feel guilty except you mate. the persecution complexes of white males will never cease to baffle me[/QUOTE]
Yeah stay in denial about the fact that there are idiots who call themselves feminists. The fact that you can't grasp the simple concept that disagreeing with certain people doesn't mean I disagree with the entire movement will never cease to baffle me.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43320791]you make some sort of derivative of this post in every single thread. you're missing the point in such a weird contrived way.
do you even understand the concept of privilege? do you understand what people mean when they say somebody who is better off is an oppressor? or do you see "white people" and "oppressor" and immediately freak the hell out? judging by the imaginary SJWs you've been arguing with i guess you don't.[/QUOTE]
I've already had this conversation on this very page. Read it?
I have a feeling that 90% of all posters that get riled up over x or y are actually just faking enthusiasm or flat out attention/approval seeking, and actually probably just have mild opinions of x or y.
Just so they can, in their minds (or publicly) be like "look at how spastic and retarded (insert similar yet not precise view here) is, I'm going to shitpost ironically now, lol"
And the cycle just propagates
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