• U.S. Navy attacks Polish ports.
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[QUOTE=GeeBee;18110540] considering they were going to invade britain in a very d-day style fashion if they could gain air superiority, you could say that the Germans were planning to blitz across water. only reason why they didnt is because they couldnt beat us in the air so instead put Operation Sealion on hold and initiated Operation Barbarossa.[/QUOTE] Nope. Even if the germans *somehow* got air superiority, the royal navy was still too huge and strong to let any sea invasion take place. Air superiority would have been helpful in subversing british resistance to bombings, but I doubt that is what would of had concluded the war with britain. And to emperor scorpious, paratroopers are not a blitz force, they are a task force that's especially useful because of the way they are inserted. Also, any paratrooper assault by the germans would have been disastrous. [QUOTE=FPChris;18112163]British lead the invasion of Italy. The Soviet Union wasn't in the Allies. Also, what if the French hadn't built the Maginot Line? They wouldn't survive as long as they did. Possibly getting annexed in 1939-1940. France is underrated in WW2. And by lead i meant they had the idea, they wanted to open up 4-5 fronts in the invasion.[/QUOTE] i wouldn't try to play down underground poland's resistance movement. they tried to help out in all fronts, especially the eastern front. one of the reasons german propaganda was so focused on destroy soviet-polish solidarity. france's part in the war was a disaster. the maginot line did hold off the germans very well when it was attacked, but it was meaningless when it was flanked in belgium and northeastern france. also, they did get annexed in 1940. france was also home to another large and spirited resistance movement, led by french communists, that played a role in the allied landing in normandy. and the soviet union was in the allies, especially after stalin dissolved the comintern to build a closer relationship with britain
[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;18111759]I'd just like to point out that the British channel protected us from Blitzkrieg. Saying we lasted the entire war because we had a better army is stupid. Just to point out, the British Expeditionary Force (Our best equipped and trained army at the time) lost horribly to the German war machine and our lines collapsed inside of a fortnight ending in the massacre/retreat from Dunkirk. If Britian was connected to Europe by land we would have met the same fate as Poland did, the German combat doctrine was more advanced and based on mechanised mobility and infantry while we were prepared and equipped for infantry only trench warfare. They outmanuevered and surrounded our army forcing us to surrender large amounts of materials and ground. One of the fundamental aspects of Blitzkrieg and the reason why it was so effective is because it made use of mechanized infantry supporting heavy armour. Hitler couldn't send infantry because of shitty English weather (lol) which made the seas too rough to transport troops. They tried bombing Urban population centers to demoralise the populace and force surrender, but the Dunkirk spirit is what let us hold on. English involvement in the war was very limited until America joined the fight on our side. (Especially after the BEF got pwnd) They provided us with modern armour and weaponry that let us form new armies to fight. And our involvement in North Africa was also mainly special forces/SAS sabotage until the US-assisted campaigns began. Frankly if America hadn't stepped we would have lost. And the USA and England all lived happily ever after. The End[/quote] shitty weather and lucky circumstances protected us from the blitzkrieg. I agree that the German war machine was superior and i agree that little was done until the US joined the war.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18100206]Why were they cleaning weapons that were loaded? Why were they loaded in a friendly port? Fail.[/QUOTE] Good thing this guy wasn't assigned to clean out 300mm cannon. [editline]06:35PM[/editline] Or ICBM launching array
[QUOTE=Conscript;18112174]Nope. Even if the germans *somehow* got air superiority, the royal navy was still too huge and strong to let any sea invasion take place. Air superiority would have been helpful in subversing british resistance to bombings, but I doubt that is what would of had concluded the war with britain. And to emperor scorpious, paratroopers are not a blitz force, they are a task force that's especially useful because of the way they are inserted. Also, any paratrooper assault by the germans would have been disastrous. [/QUOTE] Before 1943 the Royal navy was taking huge losses from german u-boats and was stretched far too thin. If they were forced to end the german blockade and regroup in the english channel Hitler would have had many other options opened to tighten his grip on europe. German air superiority over Britain would have surely been the end for us and would ahve left us open to invasion if weather had not been so poor
[QUOTE=Mr.2007;18100112]I call it another cover-up.[/QUOTE] 1. The government is not out to get you. 2. A cover up of what exactly? Were we supposed to conquer Poland with 3 bullets? 3. Why is an accident not more likely?
How did we go from [QUOTE=Wayword;18100246]Somehow 3 rounds = the Americans invading the Polish, like your title would suggest.[/QUOTE] to [QUOTE=Conscript;18112174]Nope. Even if the germans *somehow* got air superiority, the royal navy was still too huge and strong to let any sea invasion take place. Air superiority would have been helpful in subversing british resistance to bombings, but I doubt that is what would of had concluded the war with britain. And to emperor scorpious, paratroopers are not a blitz force, they are a task force that's especially useful because of the way they are inserted. Also, any paratrooper assault by the germans would have been disastrous. i wouldn't try to play down underground poland's resistance movement. they tried to help out in all fronts, especially the eastern front. one of the reasons german propaganda was so focused on destroy soviet-polish solidarity. france's part in the war was a disaster. the maginot line did hold off the germans very well when it was attacked, but it was meaningless when it was flanked in belgium and northeastern france. also, they did get annexed in 1940. france was also home to another large and spirited resistance movement, led by french communists, that played a role in the allied landing in normandy. and the soviet union was in the allies, especially after stalin dissolved the comintern to build a closer relationship with britain[/QUOTE] Did a wormhole open up on page 2? Dammit, Conscript.
[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;18111759]I'd just like to point out that the British channel protected us from Blitzkrieg. Saying we lasted the entire war because we had a better army is stupid. Just to point out, the British Expeditionary Force (Our best equipped and trained army at the time) lost horribly to the German war machine and our lines collapsed inside of a fortnight ending in the massacre/retreat from Dunkirk. If Britian was connected to Europe by land we would have met the same fate as Poland did, the German combat doctrine was more advanced and based on mechanised mobility and infantry while we were prepared and equipped for infantry only trench warfare. They outmanuevered and surrounded our army forcing us to surrender large amounts of materials and ground. [editline]03:16PM[/editline] One of the fundamental aspects of Blitzkrieg and the reason why it was so effective is because it made use of mechanized infantry supporting heavy armour. Hitler couldn't send infantry because of shitty English weather (lol) which made the seas too rough to transport troops. They tried bombing Urban population centers to demoralise the populace and force surrender, but the Dunkirk spirit is what let us hold on. English involvement in the war was very limited until America joined the fight on our side. (Especially after the BEF got pwnd) They provided us with modern armour and weaponry that let us form new armies to fight. And our involvement in North Africa was also mainly special forces/SAS sabotage until the US-assisted campaigns began. Frankly if America hadn't stepped we would have lost. And the USA and England all lived happily ever after. The End[/QUOTE] Someone wised up.
You people are fucking retarded. It was a machine gun and they didn't attack it.
[QUOTE=GeeBee;18113927]Before 1943 the Royal navy was taking huge losses from german u-boats and was stretched far too thin. If they were forced to end the german blockade and regroup in the english channel Hitler would have had many other options opened to tighten his grip on europe. German air superiority over Britain would have surely been the end for us and would ahve left us open to invasion if weather had not been so poor[/QUOTE] are you sure it was the warships and not the supply ships? IIRC u-boat attacks on british overseas supply was the strategy, as they knew a victory against the royal navy was hopeless. u-boats were no ultimate weapon against surface ships
lulz how do i shot web?
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;18114178]Conscript, let it go. This is neither the time nor the thread to discuss how terrible America is and how great Britain is.[/QUOTE] lol what? i never said anything about america. also this thread isn't going anywhere so a friendly discussion about something semi-related is fun
Because three accidental discharges is the same as attacking.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18114198]also this thread isn't going anywhere so a friendly discussion about something semi-related is fun[/QUOTE] Conscript not everyone jerks it to the History channel. Why is it that every thread you're in turns into an argument about history or politics with dissertation-length posts? I love arguing too but damn.
"Sorry about that!! But you got to admit, we still have the power to do that! So don't start anything, Poland!"
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18114210]Conscript not everyone jerks it to the History channel. Why is it that every thread you're in turns into an argument about history or politics with dissertation-length posts? I love arguing too but damn.[/QUOTE] i didn't start the discussion. why are you bitching at me?
[QUOTE=Conscript;18114267]i didn't the discussion.[/QUOTE] lol I'm just nitpicking because, like I said, every thread your in turns into a debate that determines the fate of the world. It's entertaining, really. I'm only saying.
[QUOTE=Lootskin;18100337]Sweden VS Norway :monocle:[/QUOTE] Crying contest of massive proportions!
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18114281]lol I'm just nitpicking because, like I said, every thread your in turns into a debate that determines the fate of the world. It's entertaining, really. I'm only saying.[/QUOTE] ninja and its really more that i'm attracted to debate threads. you used to do the same exact thing
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18100206]Why were they cleaning weapons that were loaded? Why were they loaded in a friendly port? Fail.[/QUOTE] their probably always loaded for security reasons, if you are attacked, you don't want to spend ages loading all the weapons, as to the cleaning while loaded, maybe the guy just forgot.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18114310]ninja and its really more that i'm attracted to debate threads. you used to do the same exact thing[/QUOTE] Yeah but nothing like when you and and Chippay debate. That becomes the clash of the motherfucking titans. It always ends up as: [quote]quote[/quote] response [quote]quote[/quote] response [quote]quote[/quote] response [quote]quote[/quote] response Ad infinitum until posts are the length of normal pages, but now we are getting off topic. Carry on.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18114338]Yeah but nothing like when you and and Chippay debate. That becomes the clash of the motherfucking titans. It always ends up as: response response response response Ad infinitum until posts are the length of normal pages, but now we are getting off topic. Carry on.[/QUOTE] you think that's bad? try politicsforums.org...debates go on for pages and pages, like 20 pages easily even i can't be bothered to go on for that long
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;18101557]And the Finnish held off against the Soviets. Everyone has heroes.[/QUOTE] hah, [b]one man[/b] held off the soviets. that guy was a MONSTER. almost a grand in kills with just a simple bolt action and a shoddy smg. go simo
If that was the Russian navy who accidentally fired that small arm, Poland would have given up and surrendered. [editline]06:18PM[/editline] I accept either boxes or agrees. No checks or credit.
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;18114666]If that was the Russian navy who accidentally fired that small arm, Poland would have given up and surrendered. [editline]06:18PM[/editline] I accept either boxes or agrees. No checks or credit.[/QUOTE] An agree is a check. Gave you one due to paradox.
Thank fuck no-one was injured.. He must have neen slacking though. [editline]06:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wakka V2;18114666]If that was the Russian navy who accidentally fired that small arm, Poland would have given up and surrendered. [editline]06:18PM[/editline] I accept either boxes or agrees. No checks or credit.[/QUOTE] Dude, the russians were cowards during the war and you know it. [editline]07:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=GeeBee;18110540] [editline]01:19PM[/editline] oh yeah definately. Poland would have never been able to defend itself. [/QUOTE] Polands military was well trained at the time and on the 1st had almost 1 million strong army.However it had just come out the 2 partition which was broken 20 years before at the end of WWI. As a country it was just finding it's feet many parts were outdated and totally amazed at blitzkrieg.To say the Germans had a easy,painless campain in poland is stupid, they lost nearly 17,000 men and the defences pushed the schedule back significantly .However, on the 17th the Soviet Invasion pretty much extinguished any hope of defending the country and repelling the Germans. So the poles did what they thought was fit, they formed the AK(Armia Krajowa;Home Army) and began conspiratorial work.
poland got penetrated two ways
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18105075]Isn't the English Channel something like just 20 miles wide? Not much of a distance.[/QUOTE] Except the world doesn't go Britain > Channel > Germany there is other stuff in the way you know
[QUOTE=Anteep2;18115660]poland got penetrated two ways[/QUOTE] They didn't get penetrated, there was no line prior thus there was nothing to penetrate.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;18116202]Except the world doesn't go Britain > Channel > Germany there is other stuff in the way you know[/QUOTE] yeah, german occupied territory
[QUOTE=GeeBee;18116641]yeah, german occupied territory[/QUOTE] Coastal Defences, Rough Sea, Air Defence ,Equipment. It's not as simple as you think.
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