Sony's PSN is making more money than all of Nintendo
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[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50224442]Sony's making more money but as far as I know, aren't Nintendo's overheads significantly smaller?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Unlike the PS4, the WiiU only needed you to buy one game and Nintendo made a profit, whereas the PS4 required a lot more than one game. Also, the 3DS is in a similar situation compared to the Vita, which is a modern failure by any measure of success. Not to mention Nintendo made an incredible amount of money last generation on the Wii and Sony was bleeding money all the way until the last couple years. Every single Wii was sold at a profit.
How is the 3DS in a similar situation to the Vita? What? Hell, the vita even uses proprietary storage which is one of the largest complaints. The 3DS has also outsold the Vita to absurd levels. Did you word that right?
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50225106]How is the 3DS in a similar situation to the Vita? What? Hell, the vita even uses proprietary storage which is one of the largest complaints. The 3DS has also outsold the Vita to absurd levels. Did you word that right?[/QUOTE]
The situation I described is how the 3DS sells for a profit with weaker hardware. That was the context if that wasn't clear. The Vita is not nearly as profitable per unit.
And I meant the Vita wasn't a success, but that wasn't very grammatically correct. Sorry for the confusion.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;50223202]Whoever thought the Wii brand was worth continuing certainly did cost Nintendo quite a bit of money. Then again, nobody seems to be very good at naming things anymore.[/QUOTE]
They need to stop using the "New" naming convention
[QUOTE=sb27;50223143]It might be successful if they actually advertise the damn thing. Many people here still don't know what the Wii U is.[/QUOTE]
It will. It is why they are delaying Zelda. The fact that their selection of pilot games of Wii-U is arguably the biggest failure by Nintendo since it was forseeable and avoidable. It took them the better part of a year to get out a major-selling game (Wind Waker HD).
Nintendo has really just fallen out of any of my interest, they've really been falling into a pit of uninspired, outright bad games that bastardize old beloved franchises (looking at you, Paper Mario). That combined with piss-poor adaptation to the growing online gaming world and how grossly they mistreat their fans and just generally dont seem to give a shit about the people that love their games the most and I've gotten a really bad taste in my mouth for Nintendo over the years.
The NX is their absolute last chance to win me back. If it sucks then I'm not looking back.
What Nintendo needs is to come out of the gate with a modern online service that's both free and doesn't reek of kid friendly limitations. Their creation of a modern account system is a good first step.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;50227774]What Nintendo needs is to come out of the gate with a modern online service that's both free and doesn't reek of kid friendly limitations. Their creation of a modern account system is a good first step.[/QUOTE]
They have a modern account system now? Last I checked, everything's still fenced off into different accounts and you need to spend about three hours linking accounts before you can actually do anything.
Getting into Miitomo was one of the most painful experiences with online accounts I've had that had me jumping back and forth between my 3DS, computer and phone for the better part of an afternoon trying to figure out how to get into this shit. Hell, most of the time I was stuck in an endless loop of create account with email -> there is already a Nintendo account using this email -> recover password -> there is no Nintendo account using this email -> repeat from step 1.
[QUOTE=Jund;50220907]sad fact is that you can't keep pumping out the same stuff and expect to stay afloat. a massively unpopular opinion a few years ago but now it seems like even nintendo fanboys are starting to admit it
what happened to the ambition?[/QUOTE]
No offense but you clearly haven't been keeping up with Nintendo at all.
Star Fox Zero, one of their most recent games, got slammed because it changed too much. A game that needed absolutely no innovation because Star Fox releases are by no means often. Miyamoto himself said they they didn't release a Star Fox game sooner because they couldn't think of ways to innovate one.
Can we please stop spouting this nonsense about Nintendo "pumping out the same stuff" as if that was what they were even doing? They'd be doing better if that [I]was[/I] what they were doing.
[QUOTE=Keychain;50228156]No offense but you clearly haven't been keeping up with Nintendo at all.
Star Fox Zero, one of their most recent games, got slammed because it changed too much. A game that needed absolutely no innovation because Star Fox releases are by no means often. Miyamoto himself said they they didn't release a Star Fox game sooner because they couldn't think of ways to innovate one.
Can we please stop spouting this nonsense about Nintendo "pumping out the same stuff" as if that was what they were even doing? They'd be doing better if that [I]was[/I] what they were doing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've always felt one of Nintendo's biggest flaws is abandoning ideas and designs that worked.
[QUOTE=Keychain;50228156]No offense but you clearly haven't been keeping up with Nintendo at all.
Star Fox Zero, one of their most recent games, got slammed because it changed too much. A game that needed absolutely no innovation because Star Fox releases are by no means often. Miyamoto himself said they they didn't release a Star Fox game sooner because they couldn't think of ways to innovate one.
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'slammed'
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Slammed wasn't the right word, but it was held back significantly.
Maybe "Lukewarm" reception would be appropriate?
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;50227921]They have a modern account system now? Last I checked, everything's still fenced off into different accounts and you need to spend about three hours linking accounts before you can actually do anything.
Getting into Miitomo was one of the most painful experiences with online accounts I've had that had me jumping back and forth between my 3DS, computer and phone for the better part of an afternoon trying to figure out how to get into this shit. Hell, most of the time I was stuck in an endless loop of create account with email -> there is already a Nintendo account using this email -> recover password -> there is no Nintendo account using this email -> repeat from step 1.[/QUOTE]
I spent 5 minutes making a new Nintendo account. I logged into it in about 1 minute for Miitomo. I also own a launch 3DS, and haven't experienced any issues you're saying.
They recently created one unified Nintendo account, which is what I mean could be utilized from the start in a new console.
[QUOTE=DELL;50221103]You know they may not make as much money as the others or even be with the times hardware wise but I have to give it to nintendo for always trying new things. Even if they are gimmick or not the best because eventually it will lead to something amazing rather than just sticking with the status quo.
Though I'd assume most of it is because of PSplus that gets that kind of money in which I don't agree with the fact you need it for multiplayer as what I pay for when I buy it should cover all of that.
Now for extra stuff that's fine.[/QUOTE]
Thats and they have the money to do it, they could stop making money and still last a few years without worrying about much of anything
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50228498]Maybe "Lukewarm" reception would be appropriate?[/QUOTE]
I dunno, 3.5 metacritic is a whole point above what i'd consider "lukewarm"
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50228498]Maybe "Lukewarm" reception would be appropriate?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://opencritic.com/game/1536/star-fox-zero[/url]
I think a little less than lukewarm
[quote=Sony income report]Operating income increased 40.6 billion yen year-on-year to 88.7 billion yen (785 million U.S. dollars). This significant increase was primarily due to the increase in PS4 software sales and PS4 hardware cost reductions as well as the absence in the current fiscal year of an 11.2 billion yen write-down of PS Vita and PS TV components recorded in the previous fiscal year. Partially offsetting the increase in operating income were he negative impact of the appreciation of the U.S. dollar, reflecting a high ratio of U.S. dollar-denominated costs, and the decrease in PS3 software sales. During the current fiscal year, there was a 47.7 billion yen negative impact from foreign exchange rate fluctuations.[/quote]
If they didn't pick up the pace and make a really nice processor innovation (like what Sony attempted to do with Cel processor), all consoles will end up as a dumbed down PC.
Next they'll be using ARM chips in handheld
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;50235276]If they didn't pick up the pace and make a really nice processor innovation (like what Sony attempted to do with Cel processor), all consoles will end up as a dumbed down PC.
Next they'll be using ARM chips in handheld[/QUOTE]
Nintendo has using ARM since the GBA.
I honestly hope Nintendo does go x86 on the NX. Nintendo really needs that 3rd party support and removing the architecture difference for ports would probably help, not to mention PowerPC is sort of a dead end.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;50220264]DS outsold the PSP by twice as many units.[/QUOTE]
The original DS got its shit kicked in by the PSP. That's why you has three versions of the DS around the time of the original PSP existed alongside a massive ad campaign.
[QUOTE=Knurr;50220242]Well that's what happens when You are basically Mario and Sonic.
And generally worse than Playstation. I have known lots of people with PSP but none with DS. That's my personal opinion though.[/QUOTE]
Really? I know nobody with a PSP but plenty with a 3DS. Hell, that's not even including all the people I streetpass at school.
[QUOTE=gk99;50240578]Really? I know nobody with a PSP but plenty with a 3DS. Hell, that's not even including all the people I streetpass at school.[/QUOTE]
I knew plenty of people that had DS's, but I've only met one person in my entire life that I knew had a PSP.
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[QUOTE=Swilly;50238580]The original DS got its shit kicked in by the PSP. That's why you has three versions of the DS around the time of the original PSP existed alongside a massive ad campaign.[/QUOTE]
Initialially on release, the response to the DS was very lukewarm. However, eventually the system started its runaway success around early 06 after the Lite came out and devs finally started understanding what to use the second screen for.
It's upsetting that Nintendo isn't making more money but they have some of the best IPs and they're handling them all pretty poorly. They seem so afraid to just give people what they're asking for without wrapping it in a gimmick or clunky motion controls.
Personally I dislike Miyamoto for this reason because I feel like he's a major source of this attitude. He was quoted once saying that he wouldn't make a new F-Zero game unless he figured out something "different" to do with it. Obviously it doesn't need to be different, it's a cool game with cool characters that everyone loves already. Give it HD graphics, an online mode,and a track editor. Done. Game of the year. He doesn't seem like he understands gamers today at all and it's just wrapped up in his own sense of artistic expression. I can't remember the exact quote but when asked about Wii Music, practically his personal opus, he said something like "I didn't make this game because I thought it would sell well or because I thought it would be well-received. I just thought it was a game that should exist." Completely unable to face the fact that he made a bad game, he offloads his responsibility by claiming it was some ~artistic~ decision.
I don't know how much clearer it can get that their current strategy isn't working. I can't tell if it's just blindness or purely stubbornness that's driving them to continue the same course but it's aggravating to see them sink like this when they have every opportunity to swim.
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