• Microsoft reportedly working to block apps that re-enable the Windows 8 Start button
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[QUOTE=PelPix123;36153155]Windows ME is absolutely incredible and the best DOS-based windows. The reason everyone hates it so much is because of System Restore. System Restore restored removed viruses back onto the system and ruined file compatibility, causing crashes and stuff, but the OS is pretty solid.[/QUOTE] Windows ME's stability was probably the biggest problem.
[QUOTE=Morgen;36151660]Wine isn't really at a stage that you can expect things to work right yet for everything. Speaking of Linux... Canonical tried Unity which is about as shitty as Metro and they lost the #1 spot because of it.[/QUOTE] Well the dev's of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME"]GNOME[/URL] (Ubuntu's [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment"]Desktop Environment[/URL] before Unity) also fucked up on their newest version because they heavily dumbed it down too. And as a result the GNOME project got [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software)"]forked[/URL] because of that, and now there's two projects ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(user_interface)"]Cinnamon[/URL] & [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)"]MATE[/URL]) working on making a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment"]DE[/URL] that's still easy to use, but not horribly dumbed down. What's with this trend of making computers for ordinary people 100% retard proof? Is it now illegal to learn the basics behind the OS and how computers work or...?
I don't like the idea of the start button being removed, but I don't know why people are complaining about metro so much. It is optional. It's also ideal for those touch screen all-in-one PCs, and can also be simpler to use than the regular desktop environment if you are new to computing. Personally I'm liking the unity between desktop and mobile platforms that Microsoft is creating.
In other news, Microsoft prevents the ability to even startup Windows 8, claiming "...it's just something that people don't want to do."
Is it bad that I'm still using Windows XP on my computer? Personally, I think it's a very stable OS. Used it for years without any problem at all. I'll probably switch to 7 when I'm finished building my new rig though. One feature I really miss in Win 7 is that you can't select multiple files and use open with. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] On the topic of 100% retard proof, I've had several students at my Helpdesk internship that apparently don't know quite a lot of features of their OS. One gal had the guts to bring her Vista laptop in that was slow as shit and would freeze if I even dared open Control Panel (though that's what I'm here for; fixing things they can't). I know not everyone is familiar with computers, but I thought keeping your computer clean of excessive shit was pretty much a given. It's ok if you're going to dumb down stuff for less... technologically familiar folks, but at least leave the more advanced stuff in for everyone else that doesn't use their rigs as Facebook machines.
[QUOTE=Kazumi;36143423]I like my desktop clean so I've hidden all the icons. For years I've been running pretty much everything through the start button. Speaking of which. The prophecy is coming full circle. [t]http://anongallery.org/img/4/2/windows-8.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] This doesn't work when it leaves out Windows NT 4 (and prior), and Windows 2000.
[QUOTE=Noss;36154731]It is optional.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. The only way you can have the start menu is by installing a third party program. It wouldn't be so bad if Microsoft had an official start menu you could install.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36154843]This doesn't work when it leaves out Windows NT 4 (and prior), and Windows 2000.[/QUOTE] Windows vista with sp2 isn't so bad anymore as well. Yes, there's a huge circlejerk of vista is terrible, (which it [i]was[/i] at release), but its no longer completely atrocious (although windows 7 is better)
[QUOTE=Morgen;36154847]No it isn't. The only way you can have the start menu is by installing a third party program. It wouldn't be so bad if Microsoft had an official start menu you could install.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the Metro UI being optional. The fact that MS disabled the start button is still a retarded move.
They are only making this as shit as possible so next one seems that whole lot better.
[QUOTE=Noss;36154731]I don't like the idea of the start button being removed, but I don't know why people are complaining about metro so much. It is optional. It's also ideal for those touch screen all-in-one PCs, and can also be simpler to use than the regular desktop environment if you are new to computing. Personally I'm liking the unity between desktop and mobile platforms that Microsoft is creating.[/QUOTE] In what way is it optional if it has been fused with the desktop interface?
[QUOTE=Noss;36154731]I don't like the idea of the start button being removed, but I don't know why people are complaining about metro so much. It is optional. It's also ideal for those touch screen all-in-one PCs, and can also be simpler to use than the regular desktop environment if you are new to computing. Personally I'm liking the unity between desktop and mobile platforms that Microsoft is creating.[/QUOTE] I'm completely for PC/mobile unity, but I don't think giving both of these platforms a bastardized mix of an UI that tries to please both at the same time is the key to that
[QUOTE=Noss;36154921]I'm talking about the Metro UI being optional. The fact that MS disabled the start button is still a retarded move.[/QUOTE] Unless you know something I don't know you can't turn it off. The only version you could turn it off in was the dev preview.
[QUOTE=Morgen;36155087]Unless you know something I don't know you can't turn it off. The only version you could turn it off in was the dev preview.[/QUOTE] Panda X got it to work in the release preview afaik.
[QUOTE=Morgen;36155087]Unless you know something I don't know you can't turn it off. The only version you could turn it off in was the dev preview.[/QUOTE] If I believe correctly there is a way to go back to the Desktop environment if you're using a conventional PC. I strongly doubt that Microsoft would release Windows 8 and force you to use the Metro UI.
[QUOTE=Coffee;36144136]It's a pointless change and people are used to the old start menu; not many will appreciate change.[/QUOTE] Wow. You people are pathetic. I actually thought they had removed the start menu. You're butthurt over a new system they're using that accomplishes the samething, and you're mad because you just don't like new things? Garry was actually right. Why bother asking people about changes made when they just complain about any change?
I tried using the Metro UI on my little brother's PC when he had Windows 8 installed, but it was just messy. For a user familiar to other versions of Windows, that new menu is a giant clusterfuck. For me, anyway.
[QUOTE=Noss;36155117]If I believe correctly there is a way to go back to the Desktop environment if you're using a conventional PC. I strongly doubt that Microsoft would release Windows 8 and force you to use the Metro UI.[/QUOTE] Yes you still have the desktop on the PC but the start menu is gone and you are forced to use Metro instead. Apparently this is also the case on Windows Server to. Panda showed 3rd party programs to give you the old start menu but if he knows a way to get back the real deal in the release preview please share Panda.
Jesus [b]FUUUCK[/b] Why have they got to be such god damned morons when it comes to this?
[QUOTE=Morgen;36155544]Yes you still have the desktop on the PC but the start menu is gone and you are forced to use Metro instead. Apparently this is also the case on Windows Server to. Panda showed 3rd party programs to give you the old start menu but if he knows a way to get back the real deal in the release preview please share Panda.[/QUOTE] Stop calling it "Metro" - Metro is the design language, what you're talking about is the start menu. And no, you aren't forced to use "Metro" - you can just stay on Windows 7. It's not like Microsoft is issuing an update to 7, Vista and XP that replaces the old start menu with the new one, they're just making a new product. Let them experiment, goddamn it.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36156349]Stop calling it "Metro" - Metro is the design language, what you're talking about is the start menu. And no, you aren't forced to use "Metro" - you can just stay on Windows 7. It's not like Microsoft is issuing an update to 7, Vista and XP that replaces the old start menu with the new one, they're just making a new product. Let them experiment, goddamn it.[/QUOTE] But experimentation is bad! I know this won't work because I haven't used it, and because of what I read on forums from other people who share their biased views. I know more than Microsoft!
[QUOTE=Bentham;36156528]But experimentation is bad! I know this won't work because I haven't used it, and because of what I read on forums from other people who share their biased views. I know more than Microsoft![/QUOTE] Yeah except most people who don't like metro have used it. You seem to be able to read minds. You should predict world end or something.
[QUOTE=Icedshot;36154899]Windows vista with sp2 isn't so bad anymore as well. Yes, there's a huge circlejerk of vista is terrible, (which it [i]was[/i] at release), but its no longer completely atrocious (although windows 7 is better)[/QUOTE] Full disclaimer: I don't like Windows, but you're right. Vista was no worse than any other version of Windows. 7 is almost exactly the same thing as Vista(think Mojave)
If there is no start button, then what will the windows key do? Probably some Metro-based crap.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;36155990]Jesus [b]FUUUCK[/b] Why have they got to be such god damned morons when it comes to this?[/QUOTE] Don't worry, this article is complete BS. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=EpicExplosion;36156821]If there is no start button, then what will the windows key do? Probably some Metro-based crap.[/QUOTE] It opens up a menu where you can search for files and launch your programs.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36156829] It opens up a menu where you can search for files and launch your programs.[/QUOTE] So, the 'start menu' basically?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36156349]Stop calling it "Metro" - Metro is the design language, what you're talking about is the start menu. And no, you aren't forced to use "Metro" - you can just stay on Windows 7. It's not like Microsoft is issuing an update to 7, Vista and XP that replaces the old start menu with the new one, they're just making a new product. Let them experiment, goddamn it.[/QUOTE] We shouldn't give any feedback at all then unless we like it then right? Calling it Metro I will quote BrettJay from the Windows 8 thread: [QUOTE=BrettJay] But it is fitting. As soon as you leave the start screen, you leave the Metro user interface - along with its design language, ideas, concepts, and interface patterns - and return to the traditional windowed desktop user interface. Start Screen is based on Metro UI paradigms while the desktop uses conventional windowed interface paradigms. Sure it's called the 'start screen', but it's understanding that users articulate the two contrasting interfaces when it's at the core of what makes the user experience so different between the two.[/QUOTE] Yes we can stay on Windows 7 but it would be better if Microsoft could give the best of both worlds. The start screen is designed for a touch input rather than the Mouse + Keyboard which is the problem here.. Why would I want that on my desktop?
[QUOTE=EpicExplosion;36156857]So, the 'start menu' basically?[/QUOTE] Yes. It's just styled differently. And you can also open it by clicking in the bottom left corner of the screen. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Morgen;36156909]We shouldn't give any feedback at all then unless we like it then right? Calling it Metro I will quote BrettJay from the Windows 8 thread: Yes we can stay on Windows 7 but it would be better if Microsoft could give the best of both worlds. The start screen is designed for a touch input rather than the Mouse + Keyboard which is the problem here.. Why would I want that on my desktop?[/QUOTE] So in 7 I can call the start menu "the aero"? Or the taskbar "the aero"? Or explorer "the aero"? Aero, like Metro, is also a design language/concept/idea, yet we don't call anything in 7 Aero except the theme (which is actually called Aero).
[QUOTE=Panda X;36156914]Yes. It's just styled differently. And you can also open it by clicking in the bottom left corner of the screen. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] So in 7 I can call the start menu "the aero"? Or the taskbar "the aero"? Or explorer "the aero"? Aero, like Metro, is also a design language/concept/idea, yet we don't call anything in 7 Aero except the theme (which is actually called Aero).[/QUOTE] You are right. It should be called Start screen / menu or whatever. Calling it Metro just makes it easy to differentiate if you are talking about the old start menu or the new Metro styled one if discussions about both are happening in the same thread.
I feel a lot more informed now. :v:
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