• Microsoft reportedly working to block apps that re-enable the Windows 8 Start button
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[QUOTE=AlexGT;36163932]They replaced it with a sad face, seriously what the fuck? Why don't they just put a giant fucking text dick instead while they're at it?[/QUOTE] [img]http://techtrickz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Chrome-crash.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=flamehead5;36163408]Windows 8 looks like a fucking [B]Xbox 360[/B] interface. Why in gods name would I want an Xbox 360 interface on my PC? Does this mean if I every buy a new PC its going to come with this shit? Cause I will defect back an OS in a heartbeat. Seriously, this takes all PC users freedom on a PC, and it just looks horrible. It doesn't even look like you can problem solve any more, it looks like it is for old people who don't know how to use a PC. Jesus Christ Microsoft how much can you fuck up and change what a computer actually is and then expect to still have a real fucking profit margin...[/QUOTE] That would be because both the new Start Menu (not Windows 8 as a whole) and the Xbox 360 interface are both designed with Metro in mind. Since you fail to undeerstand that the start menu is not Windows 8 in itself, I doubt you have tried it out or even used more than a few seconds on google, in order to actually get an impression of it. Instead, you go on a rant, explaining why this and that is shit. And "problem solve"? What does that even mean?
[QUOTE=zombays;36164575]Microsoft thinks they can get more money by following a fad, and while yes it's true, they're doing it wrong. "GUYS! MOTION GAMING IS MAKING SO MUCH MONEY, LET'S MAKE A COPY!" And now, it's "GUYS! BIG ICONS AND APPS ARE MAKING SO MUCH MONEY, LET'S MAKE A COPY!" R&D needs to get slapped[/QUOTE] And people think Google+ is bad, but atleast Google didn't make it downright shitty. They were just late to the party.
I swear Microsoft fuck up even numbers since XP.
[QUOTE=AlexGT;36163932]They replaced it with a sad face, seriously what the fuck? Why don't they just put a giant fucking text dick instead while they're at it?[/QUOTE] good god it's like none of you have examined UX. ever. stuff like the sad face has a positive psychological impact on the overall UX.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36168797]good god it's like none of you have examined UX. ever. stuff like the sad face has a positive psychological impact on the overall UX.[/QUOTE] This exactly. Metro and the other design choices in Windows 8 are massive improvements in UX. Users actually feel less threatened by their computers with things like this. They feel them more casual and comfortable to use. There's less information bombarding them in ways they don't understand or like. Even power users should technically feel more chill around a good design with effort put into the UX. But because it's something different you all seem to be scared of it. Change is good, Metro as a design concept is good. It takes time for people to adjust to it, but these changes are good. The developer blog MS run for Windows 8 is a great resource for stuff like this. They mention, and show, that the Start Screen is a lot more optimal for navigation and interaction than the Start Menu by a good margin once you've adjusted to it. It uses space a lot better when it is populated. And because of things like Live Tiles it can be extremely interactive.
[QUOTE=Kazumi;36143423]I like my desktop clean so I've hidden all the icons. For years I've been running pretty much everything through the start button. Speaking of which. The prophecy is coming full circle. [t]http://anongallery.org/img/4/2/windows-8.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Vista wasn't shit.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;36169603] But because it's something different you all seem to be scared of it. Change is good, Metro as a design concept is good. It takes time for people to adjust to it, but these changes are good. The developer blog MS run for Windows 8 is a great resource for stuff like this. They mention, and show, that the Start Screen is a lot more optimal for navigation and interaction than the Start Menu by a good margin once you've adjusted to it. It uses space a lot better when it is populated. And because of things like Live Tiles it can be extremely interactive.[/QUOTE] Not commenting on the start screen itself, but I think they made a huge mistake in hiding the button to open it. For a completely new user, just by looking at a Windows 8 desktop there's no way to tell how to get to the start screen. Windows 8 is a clusterfuck of good UX with really, really bad UX.
what am i going to use with the windows key now ):
The Start screen itself is ok if you only use apps that support it. Any older applications break the whole experience. [img]http://vbcity.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/xtab.metablogapi/8712.Legacy_2D00_apps_2D00_list_5F00_0587DAB7.png[/img]
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36171140]Not commenting on the start screen itself, but I think they made a huge mistake in hiding the button to open it. For a completely new user, just by looking at a Windows 8 desktop there's no way to tell how to get to the start screen. Windows 8 is a clusterfuck of good UX with really, really bad UX.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I really don't like the way they hid the button in favour of hot corners that have no description or indication of function. It's kinda stupid to expect people to know that a corner will do something. MS seem to have this problem of good UX and bad UX colliding. Aero was full of nice things, simple but effective controls, but had older, less matching controls dotted around it. [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36171172]The Start screen itself is ok if you only use apps that support it. Any older applications break the whole experience. [img]http://vbcity.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/xtab.metablogapi/8712.Legacy_2D00_apps_2D00_list_5F00_0587DAB7.png[/img][/QUOTE] Forgot it does that. Not nice really, what's worse is most of those are system applications, something you'd expect they would at least clean up a bit.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36171172]The Start screen itself is ok if you only use apps that support it. Any older applications break the whole experience. [img]http://vbcity.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/xtab.metablogapi/8712.Legacy_2D00_apps_2D00_list_5F00_0587DAB7.png[/img][/QUOTE] Those icon tiles are really awful, I will agree. In some of the color schemes you even get banding on the gradient.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36168797]good god it's like none of you have examined UX. ever. stuff like the sad face has a positive psychological impact on the overall UX.[/QUOTE] Making it not use the text mode cripples its usefullness though since theres no way that thing is gonna show properly on 10% of errors
[QUOTE=Tobba,;36172597]Making it not use the text mode cripples its usefullness though since theres no way that thing is gonna show properly on 10% of errors[/QUOTE] Have you got any hard evidence on this? I'm aware of that it might be more difficult to display, but don't you think Microsoft put in some kind of failsafe?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36172847]Have you got any hard evidence on this? I'm aware of that it might be more difficult to display, but don't you think Microsoft put in some kind of failsafe?[/QUOTE] As I said earlier in this thread, they already do this for Win7. I get BSODs fairly frequently, and every time you boot back up and login, there is a dialog that pops up and has all the information like error codes and junk.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36172847]Have you got any hard evidence on this? I'm aware of that it might be more difficult to display, but don't you think Microsoft put in some kind of failsafe?[/QUOTE] There may be more than one "BSoD" mode. The fancy, high res version. And a VGA compliant version for when the graphics do fail. I can't see how it would be a problem for a company like MS to implement something like that.
And Win 7 BSODs only last 3 seconds before it auto reboots, so good luck reading any of it. It's gone before you get over the shock of it happening.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36173848]And Win 7 BSODs only last 3 seconds before it auto reboots, so good luck reading any of it. It's gone before you get over the shock of it happening.[/QUOTE] That can be disabled, though still quite annoying.
In 8 the BSOD sticks for about 30 seconds or so by default.
[QUOTE=Tobba,;36161672]Also what the fuck were they thinking when they changed the "BSOD" Old one was drawn with the console mode because everything ever supports that perfectly no matter how hard everything crashes, the new one has a resoloution beyond what the standard VGA hardware handles and looks like uses some kind of font rendering As in its completely fucking pointless now because most crashes will cause the screen to fail to display properly anyways[/QUOTE] doesn't matter, bsod can't teach you nothing, you have to read the dmp with something like BlueScreenview
[QUOTE=The Baconator;36175580]doesn't matter, bsod can't teach you nothing, you have to read the dmp with something like BlueScreenview[/QUOTE] Depends on how much you know about the error.
If I can get the option to set my default screen to the desktop, the start button won't bother me. Although, it would make my modding work much harder. I do like to just press the Windows button then type the name of the program faster than I can click the icon.
You can still just type the name of whatever application or file you want. The Start Screen is just as functional as the Start Menu was. It just looks different.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;36177149]You can still just type the name of whatever application or file you want. The Start Screen is just as functional as the Start Menu was. It just looks different.[/QUOTE] too bad the drones on FP won't try it out for themselves and just keep whining
What's wrong with using the metro feature? I've been using 8 for about four months now on my laptop. No complaints.
[QUOTE=Polyethylene;36177409]What's wrong with using the metro feature? I've been using 8 for about four months now on my laptop. No complaints.[/QUOTE] Because it brings nothing new or useful to the desktop, its an unnecessary change. [editline]3rd June 2012[/editline] windows has had HTML applications since 1999, nobody uses them.
[QUOTE=Polyethylene;36177409]What's wrong with using the metro feature? I've been using 8 for about four months now on my laptop. No complaints.[/QUOTE] Eurgh. Why do people keep calling it Metro. It's not metro. It's the start screen and it uses the metro style guide. That's like calling the XP desktop luna or something. Or the start menu in vista and seven the Aero. It's the start menu using aero guidelines. The 8 start screen is a start screen using metro guidelines. Sorry for being so pedantic. But it's just something that start grating on your nerves. Same like how "itouch" was really popular a few years ago. [QUOTE=inconspicious;36180584]Because it brings nothing new or useful to the desktop, its an unnecessary change. [editline]3rd June 2012[/editline] windows has had HTML applications since 1999, nobody uses them.[/QUOTE] People argued the same when progman was replaced by the traditional desktop. Hell you still have people that clamour that that nothing is better than tileable window managers and exclusively use those.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;36180670]Eurgh. Why do people keep calling it Metro. It's not metro. It's the start screen and it uses the metro style guide. That's like calling the XP desktop luna or something. Or the start menu in vista and seven the Aero. It's the start menu using aero guidelines. The 8 start screen is a start screen using metro guidelines. Sorry for being so pedantic. But it's just something that start grating on your nerves. Same like how "itouch" was really popular a few years ago. [/QUOTE] When people say Metro they're referring to the part of win8 that uses metro (aka start menu currently). I don't care and will keep calling it metro because saying "win8 start menu" is too long and cumbersome. People who get annoyed by that deserve to get annoyed over nothing.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36180820]When people say Metro they're referring to the part of win8 that uses metro (aka start menu currently). I don't care and will keep calling it metro because saying "win8 start menu" is too long and cumbersome. People who get annoyed by that deserve to get annoyed over nothing.[/QUOTE] But the normal windowed desktop environment uses Metro too. As there is a Metro guideline theme available. So calling the Start Screen "Metro" is entirely incorrect either way. [editline]Edited:[/editline] Are you ever actually going to post any form of argument Blackbird88? Because hiding behind ratings is pretty fucking dumb. You are the highest rating user on the forms, with over 800 handed out in the last week alone, yet you hardly post. For once I actually want to know why you think a post is "dumb" or why you disagree. Especially in a post like this where there is nothing to disagree with, as it is entirely factual and correct.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;36180958]But the normal windowed desktop environment uses Metro too. As there is a Metro guideline theme available. So calling the Start Screen "Metro" is entirely incorrect either way. [/QUOTE] You mean the new desktop theme which is a recolored Aero? That metro theme looks nothing like the other metro used by the Metro apps. [IMG]http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/05/Windows1.jpg[/IMG] Tell me that isn't the Aero style in a different color. (I think it looks better than Aero, but its the same design) And Microsoft refers to "apps which use the Metro style guide" as Metro style apps. Like in this MSDN blog post: Reclaiming memory from Metro style apps [URL]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/04/17/reclaiming-memory-from-metro-style-apps.aspx[/URL] [quote] Metro style apps, however, are different from desktop apps [/quote] And when people say Metro they're referring to the Metro environment which is separate from the desktop environment.
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