Microsoft reportedly working to block apps that re-enable the Windows 8 Start button
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[QUOTE=inconspicious;36144151]You can continue reading something in an application while using the old start menu, you can't with the new giant menu designed for the visually impaired.
[editline]31st May 2012[/editline]
Oh, and its ugly.[/QUOTE]
How can you read something, while also looking for something in the start menu at the same time?
Welp, time to stay with W7 and wait for W9 :v: (went from 98 to XP to W7, starting to see a pattern here?)
Just found this in the LMAO thread, thought it would be relevant:
[quote][img]http://i.eatliver.com/2012/8885.jpg[/img][/quote]
[QUOTE=Chernarus;36143924]They forgot Windows 2000.[/QUOTE]
2000 is basically XP but without the shiny blue gui.
[QUOTE=Perl;36144177]It's not pointless. Sure, it stirs up a lot of hate as we can see in this very thread. The hate is senseless, though. The "start menu" functions just as well as the old one but with the additional feature of being able to be used on mobile devices comfortably. The only thing I don't see being justified is the presence of "Apps" on desktop devices. I wish you could just window mode them or something. Other than that, I can't see any valid arguments.[/QUOTE]
There is no point in removing the start button if everything else functions exactly the same.
[QUOTE=Coffee;36144136]It's a pointless change and people are used to the old start menu; not many will appreciate change.[/QUOTE]
"Status quo bias" aka people always will prefer the old way even if the new one is better. The new start menu actually shows you more information... tiles give you live details, notifications, etc.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;36143044]Seems like we might have some defectors to Linux! Join us![/QUOTE]
Or we could, y'know, stay on Windows 7/XP
[QUOTE=DrLuke;36143223]I wouldn't even pirate this[/QUOTE]
If I got Windows 8 for free I'd ask for my money back.
[QUOTE=Coffee;36144217]There is no point in removing the start button if everything else functions exactly the same.[/QUOTE]
Let me quote myself:
[b]The "start menu" functions just as well as the old one [i]but with the additional feature of being able to be used on mobile devices comfortably.[/i][/b]
Before you say "but why have it on desktops then >:((((((" they could, but why?
Why make two seperate OSes when you can have one?
I don't see too much a problem with this personally, as someone who (some what foolishly, I admit) uses Win8 CP as their primary OS, I find Start-Metro very nice to use. it seems to search alot faster, by also dividing up the search system to Apps(not just metro apps[default typing in start menu]), System settings(Super+W), or files(Super+F). In comparison searching in windows 7's start menu tends to put up alot of duplicate results that are found in different 'libraries', Win8 does not do this, at [i]all[/i].
There's still also quick access to vital functions through super+x. Super+C brings up a utility sidebar and other few stats which is useful.
That, and clicking into the start menu is still there, just flick your mouse to the bottom left corner and click. as I stated in another thread, there [b]is[/b] a valid reason why the start button is gone...
I'm just angry because I like my OS the way it is, not looking like it's meant to be viewed from a Gaming Console or Smartphone.
[QUOTE=Perl;36144248]Let me quote myself:
[b]The "start menu" functions just as well as the old one [i]but with the additional feature of being able to be used on mobile devices comfortably.[/i][/b]
Before you say "but why have it on desktops then >:((((((" they could, but why?
Why make two seperate OSes when you can have one?[/QUOTE]
the point is they're forcing people to use a menu designed for touchscreens, without allowing them to opt out, even if you don't have a touchscreen.
[QUOTE=Perl;36144248]Let me quote myself:
[b]The "start menu" functions just as well as the old one [i]but with the additional feature of being able to be used on mobile devices comfortably.[/i][/b]
Before you say "but why have it on desktops then >:((((((" they could, but why?
Why make two seperate OSes when you can have one?[/QUOTE]
Making one instead of two is lazy and pointless streamlining. Why can't Microsoft simply give PC users the option to have a start button; just for clarity.
[QUOTE=Zeriga;36144251]I'm just angry because I like my OS the way it is, not looking like it's meant to be viewed from a Gaming Console or Smartphone.[/QUOTE]
That just makes it sound like you just hate change in aesthetics, even if it works better/faster then the last thing. (AKA 7)
Not saying it is necessarily better, but in the off-chance they change something in the future to make it that way... Well yeah.
Is everything an 'app' these days? What happened to the program? Or are they just riding the marketing buzzword wave
[QUOTE=Coffee;36144288]Making one instead of two is lazy and pointless streamlining. Why can't Microsoft simply give PC users the option to have a start button; just for clarity.[/QUOTE]
Besides we've had the option to use the classic Start Menu since XP (or was it 2000) brought that fancy one around
we don't even have the option anymore, it's just "bye bye start menu, let's hope Metro fits your bill"
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36144287]the point is they're forcing people to use a menu designed for touchscreens, without allowing them to opt out, even if you don't have a touchscreen.[/QUOTE]
It may be designed for touchscreens, but it isn't a lot of worse on desktops albeit the fact it's fullscreen.
But then again normal people don't have the start menu open while looking at other things, so I don't see how that's a problem. Also, you get used to it. It was confusing and awkward to me at first too, but then I started to like it.
[QUOTE=Foda;36144222]even if the new one is better.[/QUOTE]
Screen space used for each individual item on old start menu, <4%. Screen space used for each individual item on metro ui, >4%.
Each presents roughly the same amount of items, and one is several times smaller than the other.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;36144290]That just makes it sound like you just hate change in aesthetics, even if it works better/faster then the last thing. (AKA 7)
Not saying it is necessarily better, but in the off-chance they change something in the future to make it that way... Well yeah.[/QUOTE]
They can make it work faster without having to change looks, much less fight everyone tooth and nail about re-enabling the start-menu.
[QUOTE=Perl;36144324]It may be designed for touchscreens, but it isn't a lot of worse on desktops albeit the fact it's fullscreen.
But then again normal people don't have the start menu open while looking at other things, so I don't see how that's a problem. Also, you get used to it. It was confusing and awkward to me at first too, but then I started to like it.[/QUOTE]
well I'm sorry your anecdotal evidence means that everyone's an idiot for not liking an interface that is unintuitive for KB+mouse users
[QUOTE=Coffee;36144288]Making one instead of two is lazy and pointless streamlining. Why can't Microsoft simply give PC users the option to have a start button; just for clarity.[/QUOTE]
That argument I can understand, but how is the old one any more functional than the metro-style menu?
[editline]31st May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36144340]well I'm sorry your anecdotal evidence means that everyone's an idiot for not liking an interface that is unintuitive for KB+mouse users[/QUOTE]
I never said everyone's an idiot for not liking it. I'm saying it's most likely that they will like it once they've used it for a while and realised it's not so bad after all.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;36144216]2000 is basically XP but without the shiny blue gui.[/QUOTE]
-Cleartype
-Hyperthreading
-SxS
-fast user switching
-better wifi setup
-IPv6
-GDI+
-Dx8.1
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP[/url]
[QUOTE=Foda;36144193]How can you read something, while also looking for something in the start menu at the same time?[/QUOTE]
Uhhhh. You know that wonderful search function?
Well, I can touch type, I don't need to be staring at the start screen while I type, I can be continuing what I'm doing while launching an additional program.
I'd rather not have my screen strobe for the second it takes to type a name and hit enter.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;36144312]Is everything an 'app' these days? What happened to the program? Or are they just riding the marketing buzzword wave[/QUOTE]
Riding the wave.
I strongly dislike the idea of a desktop OS that's heavily inspired by OS's for small mobile devices with touchscreens as their main type of input.
[QUOTE=Perl;36144342]I never said everyone's an idiot for not liking it. I'm saying it's most likely that they will like it once they've used it for a while and realised it's not so bad after all.[/QUOTE]
it's possible to get used to it but that doesn't change the fact that
a) it's designed for touchscreens
b) we don't even have the option to opt out of Metro
What are they replacing it with? Are we going back to desktop icons?
As long as there's a text box where you can type an application name and have windows search for it and display it immediately once it's indexed I don't think I'll mind. The start menu folder tree quickly grows cumbersome to navigate and I don't really use it much these days since the search field does an excellent job in finding what I want.
I might come out as really offensive but why won't you people try windows 8 before hating on it?
Use it for a longer period such as a few months or so and give your opinion on it afterwards..
I support this, the orb looked terrible imo and moving your mouse to the corner where it was/windows key does the exact same thing but quicker
[QUOTE=Perl;36144396]I might come out as really offensive but why won't you people try windows 8 before hating on it?
Use it for a longer period such as a few months or so and give your opinion on it afterwards..[/QUOTE]
I have, and I also own a Windows Phone
Metro is not something I'd enjoy using without a touchscreen.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36144384]it's possible to get used to it but that doesn't change the fact that
a) it's designed for touchscreens
b) we don't even have the option to opt out of Metro[/QUOTE]
a) it is, but it's fine on desktops too
b) you do, but you should really try it first and then opt out by going back to windows 7 if you don't like it..
edit: disregard, you said you did
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