• Microsoft reportedly working to block apps that re-enable the Windows 8 Start button
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it takes like zero time to adjust to the new start menu literally the only time i used the start menu was to search for the app i wanted to run and the process is exactly the same on windows 8
I don't want to buy an OS that's "not so bad after a while", while my already bought W7 is great since the first day, and even before, it looked like a nice improvment over XP. At least don't try to sell it like it's no so bad, make it look like I want this change on my computer, not like "it might be cool after all". edit : not only talking about the start menu.
windows 8 has numerous improvements over windows 7 including a drastically reduced memory footprint i'd say that's worth the literal 2 minutes it took me to figure out the new start menu works the same as the old one
I don't really see how removing the start button is that bad personally. I only ever use my start menu for control panel access, the manage My Computer option, or a handful of programs I don't use enough to pin to my task bar which could easily be desktop shortcuts.
[QUOTE=Zanfall;36148369]You forgot the fact that Windows XP was considered shit until Service Pack 2.[/QUOTE] And that vista was considered good|decent after sp1
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36148550]It's not like you'll be spending much time in the Metro environment, and in all other uses than a part of the UI, I'd say comparing this to a phone OS is completely ludicrous.[/QUOTE] If Microsoft have their way you will be, the free development tools won't make normal programs, only metro ones. And any app aimed at the actual tablet releases really has to be a metro apps (x86 tablets can run normal programs, ARM tablets can't) For Microsoft, the metro is the main UI and the desktop is the legacy UI. It boots into metro, and you have to then switch to the desktop (And if you hit the start button it takes you out, etc.)
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;36149276]If Microsoft have their way you will be, the free development tools won't make normal programs, only metro ones. And any app aimed at the actual tablet releases really has to be a metro apps (x86 tablets can run normal programs, ARM tablets can't) For Microsoft, the metro is the main UI and the desktop is the legacy UI. It boots into metro, and you have to then switch to the desktop (And if you hit the start button it takes you out, etc.)[/QUOTE] what do you mean "if Microsoft has their way". literally nothing is stopping you from using the desktop environment and yeah the start button takes you into the metro interface [b]because that's the start menu[/b]
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;36149276]If Microsoft have their way you will be, the free development tools won't make normal programs, only metro ones. And any app aimed at the actual tablet releases really has to be a metro apps (x86 tablets can run normal programs, ARM tablets can't) For Microsoft, the metro is the main UI and the desktop is the legacy UI. It boots into metro, and you have to then switch to the desktop (And if you hit the start button it takes you out, etc.)[/QUOTE] That completely contradicts all of Microsoft entirely. The only reason they're pushing the start screen and metro apps so hard in 8 is because it's just being introduced. Microsoft hangs on to compatibility like crazy, they'll never put the desktop in second place because they know it's still useful and is better than these simple purpose apps. They state this in nearly every news they have about 8. They've said that Metro apps don't replace desktop ones, they've said that the desktop is just as important as always.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;36149276]If Microsoft have their way you will be, the free development tools won't make normal programs, only metro ones. And any app aimed at the actual tablet releases really has to be a metro apps (x86 tablets can run normal programs, ARM tablets can't) For Microsoft, the metro is the main UI and the desktop is the legacy UI. It boots into metro, and you have to then switch to the desktop (And if you hit the start button it takes you out, etc.)[/QUOTE] Visual Studio isn't the only dev environment for Windows. [editline]31st May 2012[/editline] You can use MinGW (GCC) for C/C++ stuff, and Mono for .Net crap. Hell, you can use Perl, Python, Ruby, you name it.
I was always told that using the start button method to turn off the computer was the best way to do it. I guess I will just use the emergency button all the time now.
It's like XP -> Windows 7, just wait for the haters... "LOL GET WITH THE TIMES YOUR START BUTTON IS OLD AND STUPID UPGRAYEDD TO METRO!" The easiest solution is to just not use Windows 8. What specifically about it is so important that makes people want to use it? Some poxy non-critical DirectX updates?
I really love Microsoft. They're concerned people might accidentally buy Windows 8, so they're taking ever step to make sure that doesn't happen. I wish other companies were as thoughtful. <3
[QUOTE=Sobek-;36149528]It's like XP -> Windows 7, just wait for the haters... "LOL GET WITH THE TIMES YOUR START BUTTON IS OLD AND STUPID UPGRAYEDD TO METRO!" The easiest solution is to just not use Windows 8. What specifically about it is so important that makes people want to use it? Some poxy non-critical DirectX updates?[/QUOTE] Aren't you the guy that uses 32-bit Windows dispite the fact you more than 3GB of RAM?
Microsoft are making Metro the main focus of Windows 8 (and the main UI), as well as making their free development tools target only Metro. There's an awful lot of programmers out there that develop using the free development tools, and with VS 2012 Express they'll be limited to Metro only apps.
Traditional is best in this case.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;36149662]Microsoft are making Metro the main focus of Windows 8 (and the main UI), as well as making their free development tools target only Metro. There's an awful lot of programmers out there that develop using the free development tools, and with VS 2012 Express they'll be limited to Metro only apps.[/QUOTE] then they can continue using older versions of VS 2012 Express?
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36146772]It was a complete and utter train wreck on day one.[/QUOTE] That had near fuck-all to do with the OS itself though. It was largely due to the imbeciles buying it thinking their shitbucket XP PCs could run Vista perfectly even though they struggled to run XP. Almost all of the launch errors Vista had were due to hardware issues from legacy hardware and the new driver model not fully supporting it if I recall. These were all fixed rapidly. By SP1 Vista was stable as all shit and perfectly fine to use. By SP2, it was near enough flawless other than DWM using more memory than it really should have.
they're doing what they did with vista, making it shit, then they'll have 9 and people will flock like they did with 7 I bet 5$ on this. I want to see a start menu, but also, a "Revolver menu" that goes in the center AKA, a pie menu, only with a cooler name. You move the mouse to the center of the screen and it brings up the folders you want for games / porn / controls / tools / pictures / etc, click one of those, brings up either a window that is easily closable of whats in the folder or another menu though, I love opening windows and managing them, so easy. as for metro UI [thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Windows_8_Consumer_Preview_Start_Screen.png[/thumb] IMHO this looks pretty ugly. I think my idea's cooler.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36149925]-snip-[/QUOTE] Radial menus. Really? I hope you're joking.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36149925]they're doing what they did with vista, making it shit, then they'll have 9 and people will flock like they did with 7 I bet 5$ on this. I want to see a start menu, but also, a "Revolver menu" AKA, you have 6 or 8 sections, or less if you choose, and those bring up more options when you select it basically in a circle you have games / music / porn / movies / computer / tools / trash select any of them and maybe this interactive little organized, very quick menu shows everything you have in there, either programs or functions. Everything is only there when you need it, and when you need it, you use the revolver menu for games, revolve quickly to hl2 or skyrim and bam. Plus, Revolver menu/UI sounds really badass and keeps everything clean. It's the same thing as icons, except it's in a circle and changes to fit the menu you want. It's kind of like a weapon wheel for a console game only much better and made to be smoother than normal windows though, I love opening windows and managing them, so easy. as for metro UI [thumb]http://www.techfactor.org/wp-content/uploads/metro9.jpg[/thumb] IMHO this looks pretty ugly. I think my idea's cooler.[/QUOTE] except that that's not an actual screenshot of windows 8?
[QUOTE=snuwoods;36143044]Seems like we might have some defectors to Linux! Join us![/QUOTE] Not really, I'm staying away from Linux for the same reason I'm staying away from Windows 8. I like what I have already and neither has enough of a pressing incentive for me to switch over.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36149925]they're doing what they did with vista[/QUOTE] It wasn't intentional. It was rushed after they reset it in 2004. That was a complete overhaul of Windows in less than 2 years. And it takes Microsoft on average 3 years to release Windows. Not to mention on of the many reasons it wasn't good when it came out was because Microsoft kept changing driver models and their requirements and structure, so drivers weren't ready when Vista came out. The most notable though was WDDM drivers. Nvidia and ATI didn't get to have a good driver out for Vista until after it released due WDDM changing so much.
[QUOTE=Zanfall;36150004]Radial menus. Really? I hope you're joking.[/QUOTE] I would personally like a radial menu, but that's just me. [QUOTE=barttool;36150053]except that that's not an actual screenshot of windows 8?[/QUOTE] well, it looks like shit anyways fixing it
[QUOTE=TheJoker;36143275]Just watch. Microsoft will release a update that gets rid of the 7 start button.[/QUOTE] Good thing most people have updates disabled.
[QUOTE=zzaacckk;36150164]Good thing most people have updates disabled.[/QUOTE] That's not true.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36150159]I would personally like a radial menu, but that's just me.[/QUOTE] Radial menus suck shit for usability unless you are going to have a fixed set of groups (stopping proper organisation), have a big enough display to handle all possible groups and their content (limiting user base), and don't even get me started on how shit slow they are to search through. Radials work in things like games because you only have a few options on them, for example Crysis, 5 items. That's all, and they are massive buttons. You can't do something like that easily for a computer without it being awful to use. Metro as a design has had thousands of dollars, and hundreds of hours of research put into it. It is quite a good design for usability, it makes perfect sense in both desktop and tablet computers. It's just the Start Screen seems to be a strange implementation of it that uses the space differently. But the Start Screen does have functional benefits. Applications can update what a tile shows live. So you can have readouts being sent to the damn menu, rather than having to open the app, showing a wealth of information in one screen.
I guess I just don't understand why they're fixing what isn't broken. The Start button (and Aero in general) works perfectly fine as is on 7.
[QUOTE=zzaacckk;36150164]Good thing most people have updates disabled.[/QUOTE] Gotta love those unpatched security holes :v:
[QUOTE=Perl;36143089]You people are taking this all too seriously. They're not being all [b]FUCK YOU AND YOUR START BUTTON[/b]. It's not like they're doing this to stop you from re-enabling it, they're just cleaning up their code. I can't understand why everyone is such a crybaby about the start button being removed anyway. I used windows 8 for months and it's just a thing to get used to, it's not that bad at all.[/QUOTE] CLEANING UP THE CODE?! The Start button was one of the main features of Windows 95 as a way to quickly access everything on your computer. Now they're removing it so they can make their shitty tablet-like OS for desktop.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;36150484]CLEANING UP THE CODE?! The Start button was one of the main features of Windows 95 as a way to quickly access everything on your computer. Now they're removing it so they can make their shitty tablet-like OS for desktop.[/QUOTE] They changed the appearance. You can still quickly access everything on your computer just as you could before.
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