• SOCOM cancels MK.16 SCAR
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Hey. Hey guys. They aren't canceling the SCAR program fully. They're just getting rid of the SCAR-L, but sticking with the SCAR-H. This is a good move. We don't need another 5.56 rifle, we need more 7.62 rifles, giving us greater power and putting more hurt in today's pansy-ass soldier's shoulders.
I used to like the SCAR, but when MW2 came out people kept saying to me "that's such a noob weapon" when I'm not even referring to the game.
[QUOTE=Ninja_Duck;22889697]I used to like the SCAR, but when MW2 came out people kept saying to me "that's such a noob weapon" when I'm not even referring to the game.[/QUOTE] I used to like all of those weapons before MW2.
[QUOTE=Snapzies;22889260]The SCAR is over rated, just use a M16/M4A1 with 7.62 modification, no need to create an entirely different rifle.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. The gas system is completely different. This has been proven to improve the reliability, which is a welcome change when some troops are getting jams every 3 or 4 shots.
Meh. I'm more of a bullpup fan myself. Although a lot of people don't like how it is awkward to reload or something like that. The SCAR looks pretty clunky IMO, wouldn't want to be lugging that around.
[QUOTE=Jund;22889954]Meh. I'm more of a bullpup fan myself. Although a lot of people don't like how it is awkward to reload or something like that. The SCAR looks pretty clunky IMO, wouldn't want to be lugging that around.[/QUOTE] It's fine reloading, but in the event of an explosion in the chamber, it's happening right next your face.
[QUOTE=Jund;22889954]The SCAR looks pretty clunky IMO, wouldn't want to be lugging that around.[/QUOTE]Explain? It's not much bigger than an M4.
[QUOTE=killz2much;22889208]That is what you call someone who bases war logic off MW2.[/QUOTE] I've played MW2 for a grand total of maybe thirty minutes.
If the M4 was anywhere near as bad as some people here are saying it is then there would be no way that half the worlds SF would be using it. The SAS like to stay away from it these days though, I heard they mostly use AKs or C7s, canadian made M16s out in Afghan.
[QUOTE=TheMourge;22889629]Hey. Hey guys. They aren't canceling the SCAR program fully. They're just getting rid of the SCAR-L, but sticking with the SCAR-H. This is a good move. We don't need another 5.56 rifle, we need more 7.62 rifles, giving us greater power and putting more hurt in today's pansy-ass soldier's shoulders.[/QUOTE] People don't read, it seems like. Remember when Secretary of Defense Gates stopped all further procurement of the F-22? I swear that over 70% of people thought he was canceling the entire thing.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;22890911]If the M4 was anywhere near as bad as some people here are saying it is then there would be no way that half the worlds SF would be using it. The SAS like to stay away from it these days though, I heard they mostly use AKs or C7s, canadian made M16s out in Afghan.[/QUOTE] Until Iraq and Afghanistan the AR-15 platform wasn't really used in any deserts. Even then, Spec Ops probably get opportunities to clean their weapons, and probably use ones that are better tuned and maintained.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;22890960]Until Iraq and Afghanistan the AR-15 platform wasn't really used in any deserts. Even then, Spec Ops probably get opportunities to clean their weapons, and probably use ones that are better tuned and maintained.[/QUOTE] I hope you're joking, the US trucked shitloads of M4s and M16s out to the middle east and other desert locations to help win over its supporters, as the Soviet Union did.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;22888439]Oh shit.. She was so pretty, that SCAR..[/QUOTE] Not as pretty as the XM8. But the XM8 was a heap of shit. Proof incarnate that Looks=/=Lethality.
why not just revert back to M14s? (or supply our armies with Mk14 EBRs) I recall R. Lee Ermy once saying he preferred the M14 over the M16...
[QUOTE=LordLoss;22891021]I hope you're joking, the US trucked shitloads of M4s and M16s out to the middle east and other desert locations to help win over its supporters, as the Soviet Union did.[/QUOTE] Shitloads? Not really depending on your definition of "shitloads" (10 thousand?), during the Cold War the US mostly supplied Soviet-style weapons like AKs and Type 56s to Afghanistan and Iraq, but they did supply a few thousand M16s to client states like Ethiopia and Somalia.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;22890858]Explain? It's not much bigger than an M4.[/QUOTE] It's not much of a size problem, it just seems more bulky to me. I don't know, maybe I'm just seeing things.
[QUOTE=Jund;22891578]It's not much of a size problem, it just seems more bulky to me. I don't know, maybe I'm just seeing things.[/QUOTE] I thought it looked pretty nice. SCAR-H (the one they haven't canceled) [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/FN_SCAR-H_%28Standard%29.jpg/800px-FN_SCAR-H_%28Standard%29.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Dr.Billington;22888330]Wow this changes life as we know it[/QUOTE] "[B][I]This will change the way we think about the word war [U]FOREVER[/U]."[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;22889316]The HK G36 is an AR-18 with a bunch of plastic attached to it[/QUOTE] Oh boy have i never heard that one before
[QUOTE=gman003-main;22888928]The thing is that the M4 does NOT do "just fine". It's not terrible, but it's not what I'd call a "good gun". Lethality issues at range, poor reliability, and some weight problems are all significant. The problem with upgrading is that the Army (and the other branches) demand a significant improvement to justify an upgrade. In one case (the ACR program, I think), they demanded a full DOUBLING of lethality, for the same cost. That just isn't possible with current technology. Really, all we need to do is some upgrades to the M4. [B]Switch to a bullpup layout to lengthen the barrel, tighten up the feed system and gas system to reduce jams, and use a few more composites. Problems solved.[/B][/QUOTE] AKA Adopt a modernized AR-18. [editline]08:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=beanhead;22891730]Oh boy have i never heard that one before[/QUOTE] Tis true though.
[QUOTE=Kill001;22891222]why not just revert back to M14s? (or supply our armies with Mk14 EBRs)[/QUOTE] because M14s are bigger, heavier, have more recoil, ammo is more expensive, have to carry less ammo, etc. most people can't handle a M14 on full auto due to the recoil overall, the M4 is a better choice for the soldiers in urban settings (Iraq)
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;22891735]AKA Adopt a modernized AR-18. [editline]08:56PM[/editline] Tis true though.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing it would be something like the SA80, then?
Fucking US military cancels everything Land Warrior Comanche SCAR XM8 I get the Comanche but the others don't make that much sense to me.
At least laser weaponry isn't in danger of being cut, they're already testing them in combat situations. [url]http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=53705[/url]
[QUOTE=Nyaos;22891803]Fucking US military cancels everything Land Warrior Comanche [B]SCAR XM8[/B] I get the Comanche but the others don't make that much sense to me.[/QUOTE] XM8 was a G36C which is in itself an AR-18. The SCAR wasn't cancelled either, the MK. 16 SCAR was just replaced by the MK. 17 SCAR. [editline]09:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jund;22891775]I'm guessing it would be something like the SA80, then?[/QUOTE] something of that sort, but without the shitty reliability.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;22890911]If the M4 was anywhere near as bad as some people here are saying it is then there would be no way that half the worlds SF would be using it. The SAS like to stay away from it these days though, I heard they mostly use AKs or C7s, canadian made M16s out in Afghan.[/QUOTE] That's simply because it's easier to get ammunition for AKs in those areas.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;22891803]Fucking US military cancels everything Land Warrior Comanche SCAR XM8 I get the Comanche but the others don't make that much sense to me.[/QUOTE] Budget constraints courtesy of the US Congress in all their infinite wisdom, especially Land Warrior.
Give the army Tec-9's. That'll cut costs.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;22892351]Give the army Tec-9's. That'll cut costs.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should leave as you have no idea what you are talking about. Oh, and the TEC-9's manufacturer isn't even in business anymore.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;22891803]Fucking US military cancels everything Land Warrior Comanche SCAR XM8 I get the Comanche but the others don't make that much sense to me.[/QUOTE] Read the fucking article.
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