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The Ecstasy drug has no other purpose nowadays other than getting people high. I still wonder how could this drug still be produce
Nice to know MDMA is making a come back, for the past couple of years it's been really hard to get genuine stuff.
Journalists write news stories about things they aren't experts in?! More news at 11.
[QUOTE=Doozle;31486359]Nice to know MDMA is making a come back, for the past couple of years it's been really hard to get genuine stuff.[/QUOTE] more likely the news article just said 'MDMA' rather than detail some MDxx compound
Well no. MDMA can be quite dangerous. The LD50 is reasonably low, I [I]think[/I] easily less than 10 times that of an effective dose. So if you're smart and you know what you're doing you're reasonably safe, but if you're use to heavily cut MDMA, or just don't know what you're doing it can be very easy to overdose. I'm for legalization of MDMA, and the media without a doubt portrays it as far worse than it is. But with that in mind do not start thinking "It's all propaganda it's all perfectly safe and harmless" because that isn't the case. By all means do it but make sure you know what you have, allergy test first, and take sensible doses.
[QUOTE=Contag;31486875]more likely the news article just said 'MDMA' rather than detail some MDxx compound[/QUOTE] But it is definitely coming back, my mate got some proper stuff recently ahead of Global Gathering, bang stuff that was.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31469523]I was under the impression that MDMA wasn't particularly toxic in the doses you'd need to get a kick off it, then again I haven't a clue what it's normally cut with.[/QUOTE] Normally it's cut with heroin/meth/PCP, and that's what kills people, like artemis said, MDMA is a euphoriant, and is very safe.
[QUOTE=Sastion;31487217]Well no. MDMA can be quite dangerous. The LD50 is reasonably low, I [I]think[/I] easily less than 10 times that of an effective dose. So if you're smart and you know what you're doing you're reasonably safe, but if you're use to heavily cut MDMA, or just don't know what you're doing it can be very easy to overdose. I'm for legalization of MDMA, and the media without a doubt portrays it as far worse than it is. But with that in mind do not start thinking "It's all propaganda it's all perfectly safe and harmless" because that isn't the case. By all means do it but make sure you know what you have, allergy test first, and take sensible doses.[/QUOTE]It's very hard to take a sensible dose when the pills aren't made to any kind of standard though, I think legalising recreational drugs and then taxing the shit out of them is the best way to control them, since you get safer pills, less people in jail over offences that don't make them dangerous to society, income for the government which could go towards healthcare and rehab for those who do fuck up with them, they'd be harder to get hold of due to needing ID, maybe a license, they could end up more expensive depending on how much it's taxed. I don't really see a downside to it.
THROW OUT ALL YOUR DRUGS HURRY GUISE WE COULD GET HURT OMFOGMFOMG /caps
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;31487601]Normally it's cut with heroin/meth/PCP, and that's what kills people, like artemis said, MDMA is a euphoriant, and is very safe.[/QUOTE] No, no it isn't. People aren't going to cut MDMA with heroin or PCP, meth maybe but it's unlikely. If you said speed you'd be on the right track
MDMA is by no means toxic, the 'MDMA' you find on the streets are toxic only because it's illegal and cut with everything from amphetamine to dextromethorphan.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Long-term_effects_on_serotonin_and_dopamine]Even pure MDMA is not as safe as you may think[/url]
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31489462][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Long-term_effects_on_serotonin_and_dopamine]Even pure MDMA is not as safe as you may think[/url][/QUOTE] tl;dr: It can cause bad shit but it might also not cause bad shit.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;31489533]tl;dr: It can cause bad shit but it might also not cause bad shit.[/QUOTE] tl;dr we don't really know and a great deal more research is needed before anything can be said to be conclusive in the slightest
[QUOTE=kaskade700;31489383]MDMA is by no means toxic, the 'MDMA' you find on the streets are toxic only because it's illegal and cut with everything from pharmaceuticals to heroin.[/QUOTE] It is. Stop spouting shit. We don't really know because nobody wants to do any research on it. I think we're currently at "it's probably not that bad" but it's by no means good for you.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;31489383]MDMA is by no means toxic, the 'MDMA' you find on the streets are toxic only because it's illegal and cut with everything from pharmaceuticals to heroin.[/QUOTE]Everything is toxic, it's the dosage that matters, although mixing it with other shit obviously makes it more toxic.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31491630]Everything is toxic, it's the dosage that matters, although mixing it with other shit obviously makes it more toxic.[/QUOTE] Of course everything is toxic when taken in excessive amounts. That some people are mixing it with other stuff doesn't make MDMA as a substance more toxic, it however creates an unsafe for the body or unpredictable by the user mixture of several drugs. However I was mostly replying to this: [quote]The two victims are believed to have taken MDMA (Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) a highly toxic stimulant known on the streets as a variant of Ecstasy.[/quote] I'm just saying that if ecstacy was freely available created with the same safety precautions as legal pharmaceutical drugs MDMA would be no more toxic than any other so called 'safe' drugs as long as the user is aware of how to use it which of course will remain problematic regardless of legal status.
[QUOTE=Doozle;31488741]No, no it isn't. People aren't going to cut MDMA with heroin or PCP, meth maybe but it's unlikely. If you said speed you'd be on the right track[/QUOTE] Well yeah more so with heroin and PCP, but in my town people cut it with meth a lot,since it's a meth town. I don't do it, but some people i was friends with started doing it and other dumb shit. it is safer in small doseswhen it isn't close to dangrous as it is when cut with other drugs. Wouldn't do it either way. [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=kaskade700;31489383]MDMA is by no means toxic, the 'MDMA' you find on the streets are toxic only because it's illegal and cut with everything from amphetamine to dextromethorphan. [/QUOTE] Everything is toxic, just depends on the dosage you take if it has adverse effects on you.
Everyone overdoses in Fabric, my friend overdosed whilst we were there and the bouncers casually dragged him to the back office and called an ambulance as if they'd done it 20 times that night. Mandy on its own is fine. Mixed with a lot of drink can be dangerous, not to mention it's so hot in there and water is a rip off so most people carry on with beers.
[QUOTE=sam.clarke;31493202] Mixed with a lot of drink can be dangerous, not to mention it's so hot in there and water is a rip off so most people carry on with beers.[/QUOTE] this is what causes 99% (not really, because dose/death ratio is fairly low, but tl;dr don't take a handful of pills) of deaths
[QUOTE=Doozle;31488741]No, no it isn't. People aren't going to cut MDMA with heroin or PCP, meth maybe but it's unlikely. If you said speed you'd be on the right track[/QUOTE] PCP, no. Heroin and meth, yes. Meth is speed, by the way. You can buy uppity tabs or calm tabs too dude, the difference is that one set is cut with heroin, the other with meth.
[QUOTE=Artemis;31497195]PCP, no. Heroin and meth, yes. Meth is speed, by the way. You can buy uppity tabs or calm tabs too dude, the difference is that one set is cut with heroin, the other with meth.[/QUOTE] Heroin has a Bioavailability of under 35% when orally ingested, snorting pills mixed with it would most likely kill the average clubber who takes ecstacy as they don't tend to have any opiate tolerance. Not to mention heroin per gram is expensive, especially when compared to pills which can be up to around 500mg (in extreme cases) per pill. Assuming you put 50mg in each pill to get an active effect (common oral dosage on lower end) that means you can make 20 pills out of a gram, effectively around £2 a pill, which for someone who's making them in a god awful price. I can understand meth because if you're pressing pills it isn't too great a step to be making a meth lab but heroin really isn't worth the risks or money.
[QUOTE=Callius;31548701]Not to mention heroin per gram is expensive, especially when compared to pills which can be up to around 500mg (in extreme cases) per pill.[/QUOTE] Those pills would have to be 100 mg of MDMA, or some mdxx compound, because that's about half the ld/50 for a normal sized male. [quote]Heroin has a Bioavailability of under 35% when orally ingested, snorting pills mixed with it would most likely kill the average clubber who takes ecstacy as they don't tend to have any opiate tolerance.[/quote] The bioavailability is dose dependent and depends on the naivety of the user. It ranges from 20-60% percent. In any case, it's highly unlikely that the amount to satisfy a normal user would kill the inexperienced one, especially with co-administration with a stimulant such as MDMA.
Any drug is going to damage you in some way, there is no "Perfect drug".
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31549424]Any drug is going to damage you in some way, there is no "Perfect drug".[/QUOTE] The most reasonable comment so far. What the hell have you done with Sobotnik?
[QUOTE=Contag;31555273]The most reasonable comment so far. What the hell have you done with Sobotnik?[/QUOTE]Sobotnik is posting quality Russian roulette except there's five rounds loaded.
[QUOTE=Contag;31555273]The most reasonable comment so far. What the hell have you done with Sobotnik?[/QUOTE] I regret to inform that Sobotnik is schizophrenic. However much of the time the schizophrenia lines up in a way that I post well in fast threads, and in an unfavourable way in ITN. Often this changes slightly at various times leading to certain cases such as this. Either that or its just out of the many opinions I have on things we have found common one on one.
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