Russian Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known
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[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355266]and currently harmless, yes. They got caught fucking around and the letter agencies know where to look and what to watch for. The chances of them managing to carry out whatever is they're trying to do is probably highly unlikely.[/QUOTE]
and to be completely clear, you do not believe there should be any repercussions?
If Russians showed up and started taking over the Country, Red Dawn style. -nesto- would believe they had no ill towards anyone...
[QUOTE=da space core;52355272]and to be completely clear, you do not believe there should be any repercussions?[/QUOTE]
Depends on what the repercussion is
[QUOTE=Uber22;52355278]If Russians showed up and started taking over the Country, Red Dawn style. -nesto- would believe they had no ill towards anyone...[/QUOTE]
Sure thing bud
I just don't understand how completely you are downplaying this.
if you ever get angry at some other piece of world news, remember back to this time when Russia was shown to try to interfere with the US General elections, and how you didnt really care then
its honestly like im watching the living embodiment of the [URL="https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a5/04/2c/a5042c76551f1f5134a696ba7ca911c8.jpg"]narcissists prayer[/URL]
again, keyword: try
If they actually [B]did[/B] I'd be singing a different tune :smile:
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355307]Depends on what the repercussion is
Sure thing bud[/QUOTE]
It would legit not surprise me -nesto. In fact, it baffles me how much you give less than two shits about any hostile actions or sinister acts done by the Russian Government against the American people. It honestly seems you give more of a shit for Russia than you do for America...
[editline]13th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355381]again, keyword: try
If they actually [B]did[/B] I'd be singing a different tune :smile:[/QUOTE]
You know you try to act like a smartass but you're just making a fool out of yourself.
[QUOTE=Uber22;52355384]It honestly seems you give more of a shit for Russia than you do for America...[/QUOTE]
How so?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355381]again, keyword: try
If they actually [B]did[/B] I'd be singing a different tune :smile:[/QUOTE]
they attempted a massive crime, the fact that they didnt succeed is completely irrelevant.
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this just shows that you are too spineless and cowardly to let your world views be challenged
[QUOTE=Uber22;52355278]If Russians showed up and started taking over the Country, Red Dawn style. -nesto- would believe they had no ill towards anyone...[/QUOTE]
Nah he'll just say they're local self-defence groups that bought all their gear at a store.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355410]How so?[/QUOTE]
Because almost every fucking news thread about Russia meddling with US politics, you immediately are one of the first to deny whatever the Russians did or whatever evidence we find. And god knows how much you hate those anonymous sources (unless they had something against Clinton). I tend to have a level of Skepticism when it comes to news and etc, but you're not being Skeptic, your just flat out being ignorant and denying actual facts and shit that is actually going on.
And....in this fucking thread....YOU'RE DOWNPLAYING THE RUSSIAN HACKINGS
Also you tried to fucking paint Comey as a liar during the Testimony...While Fucking Comey acted as the most civilized person in that entire room. [B]Bud...[/B]
[QUOTE=da space core;52355419]they attempted a massive crime, the fact that they didnt succeed is completely irrelevant.
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this just shows that you are too spineless and cowardly to let your world views be challenged[/QUOTE]
It's completely relevant. Attempting(and failing) and succeeding are vastly different outcomes.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355506]It's completely relevant. Attempting(and failing) and succeeding are vastly different outcomes.[/QUOTE]
So by your logic. If i attempted murder and didn't kill the man, i get off scott-free.
Along with Rapists who failed to rape their victims, bank robbers who failed to rob a bank, and pedophiles who failed to molest a kid...
The fuck is your logic?
People like Nesto trying to become the norm is the reality we live in. It's still weird to think celebrity Donald Trump is the president.
A useless comment anyway.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355506]It's completely relevant. Attempting(and failing) and succeeding are vastly different outcomes.[/QUOTE]
this argument is bull and you know it
[QUOTE=Uber22;52355521]So by your logic. If i attempted murder and didn't kill the man, i get off scott-free.
Along with Rapists who failed to rape their victims, bank robbers who failed to rob a bank, and pedophiles who failed to molest a kid...
The fuck is your logic?[/QUOTE]
Must've missed the exchange I had with space core about repercussions. Might I suggest that you go back and read the thread. :goodjob:
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355506]It's completely relevant. Attempting(and failing) and succeeding are vastly different outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes so you're saying attempting a crime is no big deal at all? I could understand maybe them thinking about doing a crime being not a big deal. But they very much did try and I bet were near succeeding in what would be, one of the largest crimes I can think of
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355506]It's completely relevant. Attempting(and failing) and succeeding are vastly different outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Would you be saying the same of Russia [I]trying[/I] to nuke the US and failing?
Would you be okay with 'potentially no repercussions' then?
I don't think they're talking about 'different outcomes' they're talking about 'needing punishment'. Even if Russia failed to nuke the US the fact that they [I]tried[/I] [B]must[/B] come at a heavy cost. To suggest that it's 'potentially OK depending on circumstance to not punish the attempt' means you're OK with another attempt. Implicitly; hell, there could even be an argument made that you are asking for it.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355543]Must've missed the exchange I had with space core about repercussions. Might I suggest that you go back and read the thread. :goodjob:[/QUOTE]
Oh i've been reading...
Should bet on what "Ironic" emoticon you're going to post next as you try to look smart.
[QUOTE=da space core;52355542]this argument is bull and you know it[/QUOTE]
You could maybe try elaborating on why it's bull instead of going nuh uhh. This isn't how you have a discussion.
[QUOTE=Uber22;52355578]Oh i've been reading...[/QUOTE]
Clearly you haven't with your slew of asinine posts.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355580]You could maybe try elaborating on why it's bull instead of going nuh uhh. This isn't how you have a discussion.[/QUOTE]
You mean the mental gymnastics you call a "Discussion"?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355580]You could maybe try elaborating on why it's bull instead of going nuh uhh. This isn't how you have a discussion.[/QUOTE]
You're stating that there was only 'an attempt' but the fact remains that it wasn't 'an attempt' - it was a successful invasion. It wasn't [I]completely[/I] successful, sure, but you're splitting hairs like a barber over this one.
If I go 90% of the way through a bank robbery but drop the money bag by the door despite having already transferred digital money to my accounts should I potentially suffer no consequences? You're framing this as 'all or nothing' where you should be arguing about the 'something' instead of implying that there should even be considered a 'no punishment'.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52355593]If I go 90% of the way through a bank robbery but drop the money bag by the door despite having already transferred digital money to my accounts should I potentially suffer no consequences? You're framing this as 'all or nothing' where you should be arguing about the 'something' instead of implying that there should even be considered a 'no punishment'.[/QUOTE]
Do you have some sort of aversion to reading the thread? How do you pull "no punishment" from this?
[QUOTE=da space core;52355272]and to be completely clear, you do not believe there should be any repercussions?[/QUOTE]
Depends on what the repercussion is
the extent to which you're downplaying the attack is ridiculous. conveniently, your support of trump also puts you in a place where it's in your best interests to downplay russian attacks. it's more than fair to write you off as too partisan to gauge this issue properly
I advice stopping discussion with -nesto-. It's clear that he has absolutely no desire to give any kind of answer and does whatever to worm away from condemning Russian hack in any way now that it's been proven to take place. He's not interested in your opinion and just sabotages conversation in general.
Observe:
[QUOTE=da space core;52355272]and to be completely clear, you do not believe there should be any repercussions?[/QUOTE]
Question demanding a simple binary answer.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355307]Depends on what the repercussion is[/QUOTE]
Implicitly answering "yes" but in the most evasive manner possible and rolling the ball back to avoid taking anything more than a minimal stance on the issue. Clarification needed.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355543]Must've missed the exchange I had with space core about repercussions. Might I suggest that you go back and read the thread. :goodjob:[/QUOTE]
... And when clarification is asked, it's right back to post #1, offering a total non-answer as the definite answer and further evading from the issue. Damn nesto, if you were any more spineless you would be in liquid phase.
[quote] How do you pull "no punishment" from this?[/quote]
Easily.
Your statement is noncommital to punishment at all.
(rephrase) "You don't believe there should be repercussions?"
"(Whether I agree with it or not) Depends on the repercussion"
A possible repercussion is 'no repercussion'. 'A Repercussion' does not inherently mean 'a punishment' - it's a blank spot that can be filled in with whatever you like, including 'no punishment'.
Since you're not commiting to any particular repercussion, you're effectively dodging the defining of it. So, here's your opportunity to clear that up: What repercussions do you think would fit the crime? As a pre-empt, stating things like 'I'm not in control of what repercussions there are' or 'I'm not qualified to make such a judgment' will only further cement that you want no punishment and/or believe no punishment is an acceptable outcome. We want to know [I]your[/I] thoughts; not what someone else thinks or might do.
I know its pointless, but ill spoonfeed you anyways
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempt[/url]
[QUOTE]An attempt to commit a crime occurs if a criminal has an intent to commit a crime and takes a substantial step toward completing the crime, but for reasons not intended by the criminal, the final resulting crime does not occur.[1] [B]Attempt to commit a particular crime is a crime[/B], usually considered to be of the same or lesser gravity as the particular crime that never ended up happening[/QUOTE]
What Russia did was wrong and they should be punished for it. they are not off the hook for "failing" their crime.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355266]and currently harmless, yes. They got caught fucking around and the letter agencies know where to look and what to watch for. The chances of them managing to carry out whatever is they're trying to do is probably highly unlikely.[/QUOTE]
the letter agencies know where to look and what to watch for, but now the Russians know when and how they'll be detected. they learned a lot more from this intrusion than the DHS did.
[QUOTE]One of the mysteries about the 2016 presidential election is why Russian intelligence, after gaining access to state and local systems, didn’t try to disrupt the vote. One possibility is that the American warning was effective. Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.
Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties.
One former senior U.S. official expressed concern that the Russians now have three years to build on their knowledge of U.S. voting systems before the next presidential election, and there is every reason to believe they will use what they have learned in future attacks.[/QUOTE]
you see how quickly they realized that they couldn't directly manipulate peoples' votes, so they tried to undermine faith in the election instead? well when realize they can't undermine faith in the election anymore either, do you think they're just gonna give up? no, they're gonna do what they've done at every other obstacle: trying anything and everything until something works. and now the list of methods they need to try until they find the one that works is one method shorter - and that's just as much a threat to your democracy as if they had succeeded the first time.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52355669]Easily.
Your statement is noncommital to punishment at all.
(rephrase) "You don't believe there should be repercussions?"
"Depends on the repercussion"
A possible repercussion is 'no repercussion'. 'A Repercussion' does not inherently mean 'a punishment' - it's a blank spot that can be filled in with whatever you like, including 'no punishment'.
Since you're not commiting to any particular repercussion, you're effectively dodging the defining of it. So, here's your opportunity to clear that up: What repercussions do you think would fit the crime?[/QUOTE]
Slap some sanctions on em or engage in counter cyberwarfare(which is probably the likely option)
[QUOTE=da space core;52355675]I know its pointless, but ill spoonfeed you anyways
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempt[/URL]
What Russia did was wrong and they should be punished for it. they are not off the hook for "failing" their crime.[/QUOTE]
It's pointless because no one is arguing they should be off the hook.
:snip: nevermind i'm an idiot :)
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52355685]Slap some sanctions on em or engage in counter cyberwarfare(which is probably the likely option)[/QUOTE]
Trump reversed the former and odds are pretty slim we'll ever find out about the latter.
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