Holder To California: "Fuck Prop 19, We're Going To Enforce Weed Laws And Do It Hard Now"
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[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25467591]They already did with the highly successful War on Drugs (TM)[/QUOTE]
Oh right, what was I thinking???
Why is everyone getting pissed at Holder for doing his job? I don't support marijuana prohibition at all but he looks incompetent if his organization doesn't do what it's designed to do.
The sheriff on the other hand should be fired if he "enforces" a non-existent law.
Hope this shit goes to the Supreme Court and marijuana prohibition gets overturned.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;25467896]cigarettes and alcohol are not entertainment, the are luxury goods.
Entertainment however is also a luxury.
So if i was poor your statement would be good advice as it is 12:44 pm and I should be at work trying to not become poor.[/QUOTE]
You being poor would mostly depend on if you were born into it. Are you saying only rich people should be able to afford luxuries?
This is kinda proving the whole by the people for the people thing wrong The people in california say yes legalize marijuana and then the feds come in and say fuck you to everybody and say were doing what we want even if it's legalized. What kind of democracy is that? It will open doors toward national legalization but it will take another 100 years if they are just going to keep pulling shit like this.
As a resident of California, I support this proposition.
[QUOTE=O'10er;25464862]Well, I would argue that Proposition 8, for example, was very democratic. A majority of people voted 'yes'. Just because something is democratic does not mean it is automatically 'right', as that attitude essentially supports the tyranny of the majority. In a true democratic nation the needs for all citizens are accounted for, not just the majority. Don't get me wrong, I support gay marriage and I do believe in cannabis legalization but I think the way to go about legalization is through federal rather than state means.[/QUOTE]
Read below statement(s).
[Quote=Wikipedia]Democracy is a political form of government [b]in which governing power is derived from the people[/b], either by direct referendum (direct democracy) or by means of elected representatives of the people (representative democracy).[/quote]
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;25466107]The US is actually a republic due to its representative system. Its government was designed under the [B]ideals[/B] of a democracy, but the technical limitations made it so that the easiest option was representation via the House and the Senate.[/QUOTE]
We're actually a Democratic-Republic. People elect and put in-charge our [b]elected[/b] representatives. They follow what we want. In reality, at the end of the day, the people is still where the power lye's. That's also why we vote on these propositions, and state laws, and all that jazz. Sure at the end of the day the guy in-charge has to sign off on it, but if he doesn't do what the majority want, his term is over the moment it ends, and he has no chance at re-election. Unfortunately, with State and Federal Government, it's been a huge argument onto who has more power, but I'll reiterate my statement from before...
[QUOTE=R3mix;25464031]Something that's been going on for ages really. Who has more power, State or Federal? The answer for me, neither. The People do. We put the god damn politicians in-charge by us voting them in. Personally, fire the retards who claim they're going to " keep enforcing it. " It's our fucking country, not yours. IF we want to make something legal, then it'll be legal, and you won't enforce shit or you won't get re-elected. Simple.[/QUOTE]
Make smokes illegal and make weed legal.
Haha, this topic is a melting pot of left wing confusion and retardation.
No, the state governments cannot "nullify" federal laws, Democrats hate nullification because it reminds them of racist white people (lol).
The drug war to me right now is great because it points out the irony in both Democrat and Republican arguments perfectly,
[b]Republicans[/b]: want people to have RIGHTS!! Except drugs, fuck those drug smoking hippie communists.
[b]Democrats[/b]: Federal government trumps state government always, nullification is bad, to stop the tyranny of small government, except in California where it's cool because we need legal pot bro.
:smugdog:
Federal law being more than state law is good on some counts, that way some states can't go back to racism like I'm sure some would like to
[QUOTE=s0beit;25471879]Haha, this topic is a melting pot of left wing confusion and retardation.
No, the state governments cannot "nullify" federal laws, Democrats hate nullification because it reminds them of racist white people (lol).
The drug war to me right now is great because it points out the irony in both Democrat and Republican arguments perfectly,
[b]Republicans[/b]: want people to have RIGHTS!! Except drugs, fuck those drug smoking hippie communists.
[b]Democrats[/b]: Federal government trumps state government always, nullification is bad, to stop the tyranny of small government, except in California where it's cool because we need legal pot bro.
:smugdog:[/QUOTE]
Oh god. Okay. Can we say - you just stereotyped everyone who's both a Republican and a Democrat? Second, I'm a Democrat, personally if it were my decision, I'd let State have more power, considering this is the [b]United States[/b] of America. And our Constitution was signed by all 13 ( 50 today ) states. You get the point. The Federal Government consists of really, two things. Executive Branch ( 2 people ) VP Plus President. And then you have Judicial Branch. But, if you really think about it, Legislation Branch is ran by Congress + House which is elected representatives from states. In reality, the country is ran by all 50 states. The President is just a guy who sits at his desk and signs off on bills or doesn't and can do some other stuff.
If states had more power, what if the more ignorant states started banning being gay or limited freedom of speech?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25472196]If states had more power, what if the more ignorant states started banning being gay or limited freedom of speech?[/QUOTE]
Judicial Branch steps in, it's unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=chugmuffin;25466938]The sheriff they quoted is retarded. How the hell is prop 19 unconstitutional?[/QUOTE]
True.True.
We the people of America have to right to bring up new laws and bills to help better improve our country. Prop 19 is just another example of US freedom being used.
Holder,
Please go fuck yourself and die.
With much love
Pikachu231.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25472134]Oh god. Okay. Can we say - you just stereotyped everyone who's both a Republican and a Democrat? Second, I'm a Democrat, personally if it were my decision, I'd let State have more power, considering this is the [b]United States[/b] of America. And our Constitution was signed by all 13 ( 50 today ) states. You get the point. The Federal Government consists of really, two things. Executive Branch ( 2 people ) VP Plus President. And then you have Judicial Branch. But, if you really think about it, Legislation Branch is ran by Congress + House which is elected representatives from states. In reality, the country is ran by all 50 states. The President is just a guy who sits at his desk and signs off on bills or doesn't and can do some other stuff.[/QUOTE]
i agree with this
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Holder in disguise.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25472134]Oh god. Okay. Can we say - you just stereotyped everyone who's both a Republican and a Democrat? Second, I'm a Democrat, personally if it were my decision, I'd let State have more power, considering this is the [b]United States[/b] of America. And our Constitution was signed by all 13 ( 50 today ) states. You get the point. The Federal Government consists of really, two things. Executive Branch ( 2 people ) VP Plus President. And then you have Judicial Branch. But, if you really think about it, Legislation Branch is ran by Congress + House which is elected representatives from states. In reality, the country is ran by all 50 states. The President is just a guy who sits at his desk and signs off on bills or doesn't and can do some other stuff.[/QUOTE]
You should know that almost every democrat and especially the elite democrats disagree with you entirely about pretty much everything you just said.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25472196]If states had more power, what if the more ignorant states started banning being gay or limited freedom of speech?[/QUOTE]
The people of those states would have to support it, if they didn't then it wouldn't happen. If it did happen and the people didn't like it, it would be repealed fairly quickly. What does it matter to you that some other state enacts a law you don't like, it isn't your state, you could feel sorry for some of the people in the state but it's THEIR STATE.
You could make states which fit their demographic perfectly rather than uniform conformity to a federal government.
Think of it as a form of damage control, sure a state government could pass a bad law, it would be repealed eventually and those who don't like it could stop living there (by extension stop paying taxes, remove people from the workforce) however when the federal government passes a federal law that is tyrannical it effects all states, all people, everyone who disagrees even if the majority of the people in that state disagree ala marijuana legalization.
Take Segregation for example, let's just say a state enacted segregation again just for shits and giggles (and they wouldn't), it didn't effect public government establishments but allowed private establishments to ban races or put races in separate places with worse conditions, [b]WHO IN THE FUCK WOULD SHOP THERE?[/b] racist white people? That is a pretty small demographic. No businessman in their right mind would actively try to prevent somewhere upward of 70% of their potential purchasers to be banned from buying their product. (This includes minorities and white minority "sympathizers")
What anti-segregation laws [i]actually[/i] have the effect of doing is forcing racist people to be nice to the people they hate so they can take their money, it actually empowers the racist people who would have not allowed blacks, mexicans or whatever into their shops in the first place.
Another misconception is that prior to the civil rights acts and anti-nullification movement is that prior to them being passed everyone was racist, when in fact the opposite was true.
The support for those bills came from the overwhelming anti-racism support from people in other states or people in the states who didn't leave the segregation states but the tide was already turning prior to the bills to make their passage possible.
They would have demanded it in those states too, given time, but the federal government needed to undermine their democracy because they were sure they were wrong, and they were, but now this logic and reasoning seeps into arguments today about abortion, guns, drugs, all sorts of topics which nullification would have solved.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25472580]You should know that almost every democrat and especially the elite democrats disagree with you entirely about pretty much everything you just said.[/QUOTE]
Again, please don't stereotype an entire political party.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25470586]
We're actually a Democratic-Republic. People elect and put in-charge our [b]elected[/b] representatives. They follow what we want. In reality, at the end of the day, the people is still where the power lye's. That's also why we vote on these propositions, and state laws, and all that jazz. Sure at the end of the day the guy in-charge has to sign off on it, but if he doesn't do what the majority want, his term is over the moment it ends, and he has no chance at re-election. Unfortunately, with State and Federal Government, it's been a huge argument onto who has more power, but I'll reiterate my statement from before...[/QUOTE]
If you're going to cite Wikipedia you could at least check out the wiki page on the United States, which claims we're a presidential republic, a constitutional republic, and a federal republic, you tit.
But, when it comes down to it, the answer "for you" is wrong. Politicians play the game of "see how many dumb bastards I can trick into voting for me" by latching onto the large parties and manipulating facts to get people to think they're the guys without their own agenda.
enforce the weed laws it would be a good thing
schools would smell alot nicer
[QUOTE=flippy645;25472877]enforce the weed laws it would be a good thing
less stupid teens
i sound like im 5[/QUOTE]
I laugh at your brainwashed brain.
Marijuana is the #1 cash crop in the US. If it were legalized, it'd help out this country a lot.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;25472730]If you're going to cite Wikipedia you could at least check out the wiki page on the United States, which claims we're a presidential republic, a constitutional republic, and a federal republic, you tit.
But, when it comes down to it, the answer "for you" is wrong. Politicians play the game of "see how many dumb bastards I can trick into voting for me" by latching onto the large parties and manipulating facts to get people to think they're the guys without their own agenda.[/QUOTE]
No reason to insult, and I'm citing that we're a Democratic-Republic based off my American History class, and what I've learned considering I live here.
And for your second paragraph, people need to research more into the facts and politicians in-order to make a precise decision. Unfortunately, people are gullible and listen to the media and politicians themselves. So, it's an interesting and shitty situation we're in at the moment.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25472667]Again, please don't stereotype an entire political party.[/QUOTE]
Well then vote for the right political party, lol, because you're clearly doing it wrong.
Seriously i implore you, ask ANY Democrat in a debate forum, (somethingawful is a fun place to do this) about states rights and a shitstorm will follow.
If that is what you believe in the Democrat party you are a very very small minority.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25473249]Well then vote for the right political party, lol, because you're clearly doing it wrong.
Seriously i implore you, ask ANY Democrat in a debate forum, (somethingawful is a fun place to do this) about states rights and a shitstorm will follow.
If that is what you believe in the Democrat party you are a very very small minority.[/QUOTE]
Don't tell me how to vote. I might have a different mind set when it comes to certain policies, but I will definitely not be voting for the party of No. ( GOP )
[QUOTE=R3mix;25473340]Don't tell me how to vote. I might have a different mind set when it comes to certain policies, but I will definitely not be voting for the party of No. ( GOP )[/QUOTE]
You don't even know what this means, and i never told you to vote for the Republicans. Nowhere, not once and nor do i want you to do it.
I am just pointing out how your political party believes the exact opposite of what you just expressed.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25473419]You don't even know what this means, and i never told you to vote for the Republicans. Nowhere, not once and nor do i want you to do it.
I am just pointing out how your political party believes the exact opposite of what you just expressed.[/QUOTE]
And now you're trying to tell me that I don't know what it means? We all have different political views. Just drop it here before it heads worse.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25473523]And now you're trying to tell me that I don't know what it means? We all have different political views. Just drop it here before it heads worse.[/QUOTE]
Get worse how? I don't like the GOP either, you just assumed i did because i disagreed with you.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25473222]No reason to insult, and I'm citing that we're a Democratic-Republic based off my [B]American History class[/B], and what I've learned considering I live here.
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We are most definitely a democratic republic as we the people vote for people to make the laws and stuff
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;25473740][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3926654/wikierpedio.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Look at the rest after that nub. I said I was citing what I knew that we are a Democratic-Republic based off my American History class. You already know what a Democracy is, and a Republic is elected officials. Look at the [b]entire[/b] post of wikipedia. Elected Representatives. Read moar.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25470586]Read below statement(s). [/quote]
[quote] We're actually a Democratic-Republic. People elect and put in-charge our [b]elected[/b] representatives. They follow what we want. [/quote]
I'll just quote you here:
[quote] Unfortunately, people are gullible and listen to the media and politicians themselves.[/quote]
What the people think they want is easily subject to manipulation. Politician's duty is to represent you, and that can sometimes mean acting in your best interests, regardless of whether you like it or not.
[quote] In reality, at the end of the day, the people is still where the power lye's.[/quote]
I'll post your quote again:
[quote] Unfortunately, people are gullible and listen to the media and politicians themselves. [/quote]
[quote] That's also why we vote on these propositions, and state laws, and all that jazz.[/quote]
Uhm, you do realize that ballot propositions are only really prominent in California, right?
[quote] Sure at the end of the day the guy in-charge has to sign off on it, but if he doesn't do what the majority want, his term is over the moment it ends, and he has no chance at re-election.[/QUOTE]
Politicians have to be accountable to the people, but if they are too accountable then the only way for them to survive is to pander to the ignorance of populists. What the majority want can be totally unreasonable and unfeasible. The majority of people are not well versed in politics, hence why we have elected representatives in the first place.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25472134] The Federal Government consists of really, two things. Executive Branch ( 2 people ) VP Plus President. And then you have Judicial Branch. But, if you really think about it, Legislation Branch is ran by Congress + House which is elected representatives from states. In reality, the country is ran by all 50 states. The President is just a guy who sits at his desk and signs off on bills or doesn't and can do some other stuff.[/QUOTE]
The Federal Government consists of the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative. Three 'things'. You missed a very important person in the executive branch, the secretary of state. Furthermore, the executive consists of numerous agencies, departments and cabinets, not just those three people. The president has far more powers and responsibilities than that.
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