• Russia could achieve Ukraine incursion in 3-5 days - NATO general
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[QUOTE](Reuters) - Russia has massed all the forces it needs on Ukraine's border if it were to decide to carry out an "incursion" into the country, and it could achieve its objective in three to five days, NATO's top military commander said on Wednesday. Calling the situation "incredibly concerning", NATO's supreme allied commander in Europe, U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, said NATO had spotted signs of movement by a very small part of the Russian force overnight but had no indication that this was part of a withdrawal to barracks. Russia's seizure and annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region has caused the deepest crisis in East-West relations since the Cold War, leading the United States and Europe to impose sanctions on Moscow. They have said they will strengthen these if Russia moves beyond Crimea into eastern Ukraine. NATO military chiefs are concerned that the Russian force on the Ukrainian border, which they estimate stands at 40,000 soldiers, could pose a threat to eastern and southern Ukraine. "This is a very large and very capable and very ready force," Breedlove said in an interview with Reuters and The Wall Street Journal. The Russian force has aircraft and helicopter support as well as field hospitals and electronic warfare capabilities - "the entire suite that would be required to successfully have an incursion into Ukraine, should the decision be made," Breedlove said. "We think it is ready to go and we think it could accomplish its objectives in between three and five days if directed to make the actions." Russia has said it has no intention of invading its neighbour, although since the toppling of Moscow-backed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich in February it has asserted a right to intervene to protect ethnic Russians if necessary. Further Russian intervention in Ukraine would be an "historic mistake" that would deepen Moscow's international isolation, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Wednesday.[/QUOTE] [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/02/uk-ukraine-crisis-breedlove-idUKBREA310J820140402[/url]
we won't, ffs
[QUOTE=damnatus;44485556]we won't, ffs[/QUOTE] I'm sure this is all about the major Concern, about what Russia could easily do rather than what they are going to do. And it's worrying too. You'd think that now Russia could back off now considering they've pissed off anyone not their friend.
Great, and yet no concerns over Ukraine's dealing blueprints for "Voevoda" continental rockets. Isn't this slightly more [B]CONCERNING[/B]?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44485663]Great, and yet no concerns over Ukraine's dealing blueprints for "Voevoda" continental rockets. Isn't this slightly more [B]CONCERNING[/B]?[/QUOTE] Ukraine is buying equipment to defend itself, how concerning its not like theyre going to invade anybody also I already made a thread about it yesterday
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44485663]Great, and yet no concerns over Ukraine's dealing blueprints for "Voevoda" continental rockets. Isn't this slightly more [B]CONCERNING[/B]?[/QUOTE] They have one of the biggest military forces in the world surrounding your country and you expect them to not get some defense? No, it's not concerning at all.
Any defence they buy will suck because they have Russia next to them.
They could do what McArthur wanted to do and just bury nukes on the borderline :v:
I'm more curious as to what the plan would be if there was a Russian incursion. Like what would the rest of the world do? I have my doubts about Russia invading the rest of Ukraine, seeing that their acquisition of Crimea already gave them a good deal of problems. What concerns me more is how Ukraine is losing certain territories to Russian sympathizers. They may be getting a lot of money from Moscow in order to destabilize the country and that could [i]potentially[/i] give Russia a reason to invade. This is just a giant mess and I hope Ukraine can hold everything together without falling apart.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44485663]Great, and yet no concerns over Ukraine's dealing blueprints for "Voevoda" continental rockets. Isn't this slightly more [B]CONCERNING[/B]?[/QUOTE] Not when its territory was blatantly violated by an aggressive foreign power. No, not really concerning. Justified, actually.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44485663]Great, and yet no concerns over Ukraine's dealing blueprints for "Voevoda" continental rockets. Isn't this slightly more [B]CONCERNING[/B]?[/QUOTE] I suppose you also see the way your country went about taking Crimea was justifiable as well?
[QUOTE=damnatus;44485556]we won't, ffs[/QUOTE] promise [editline]8th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;44485788]Not when its territory was blatantly violated by an aggressive foreign power. No, not really concerning. Justified, actually.[/QUOTE] to everyone outside of nato it probably looks like the USA and it's allies are invading the entire middle eastern subcontinent
[QUOTE=Kondor;44486021] to everyone outside of nato it probably looks like the USA and it's allies are invading the entire middle eastern subcontinent[/QUOTE] This isn't a real argument though.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;44485739]They could do what McArthur wanted to do and just bury nukes on the borderline :v:[/QUOTE] Nuclear landmines had an incredibly short lifespan though due to the fact a chicken doesn't live for long in them.
Do it Russia.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44485721]Any defence they buy will suck because they have Russia next to them.[/QUOTE] I'd bet that if Russia started sabotaging the Ukrainian military like that, that NATO would step in and start supplying them shit and then we go all Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo
[QUOTE=damnatus;44485556]we won't, ffs[/QUOTE] Shut up, Commie
It could take the same amount of time for China to annex Mongolia, it doesn't mean they are going to do it.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;44489819]It could take the same amount of time for China to annex Mongolia, it doesn't mean they are going to do it.[/QUOTE] no but also China hasn't annexed one of Mongolia's territories
[QUOTE=damnatus;44485556]we won't, ffs[/QUOTE] Pinky swear?
[QUOTE=acer8;44485973]I suppose you also see the way your country went about taking Crimea was justifiable as well?[/QUOTE] When a pro-socialist government begins to settle in your neighboring country, the very same one that broke off from yours some time ago, you might find a little justification in it. Just a little. The rest of the world is just upset that Russia didn't hold hands with the US/NATO/EU/Care bears and do it in a peaceful and judicial way. Instead, they rolled troops over, likely supported rebellions, and have steam rolled into Ukrainian territories.
What pisses me off the most about this whole situation is that Russia made it much harder to denuclearize nations. Every minor country that has nukes won't give them up now that they saw how defenseless Ukraine was.
[QUOTE=damnatus;44485556]we won't, ffs[/QUOTE] So why are the Russian soldiers back at the border? [url]http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2014/04/08/1254253.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Charades;44491508]What pisses me off the most about this whole situation is that Russia made it much harder to denuclearize nations. Every minor country that has nukes won't give them up now that they saw how defenseless Ukraine was.[/QUOTE] Which minor countries? The only minor country that has nuclear weapons is Pakistan. All other nuclear nations are anything but 'minor countries'.
[QUOTE=damnatus;44485556]we won't, ffs[/QUOTE] Your dirty pinko tricks won't work on us, Vladimir.
[QUOTE=Melnek;44494016]Which minor countries? The only minor country that has nuclear weapons is Pakistan. All other nuclear nations are anything but 'minor countries'.[/QUOTE] Israel too
[QUOTE=Antlerp;44494031]Israel too[/QUOTE] Since when is Israel a minor country
If Russia did invade Ukraine they would eventually lose it again. It may take awhile, but I don't think a majority of the people would just sit and let it happen. Assume it would be similar to the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan.
Yeah, and the US could send an invasion force to Mexico in 3-5 days too. But its not gonna happen.
[QUOTE=matt000024;44494071]If Russia did invade Ukraine they would eventually lose it again. It may take awhile, but I don't think a majority of the people would just sit and let it happen. Assume it would be similar to the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan.[/QUOTE] The 'majority' is statistically disputable and is very much arguable. The fact that most FPers assume that all Ukrainians would be against Russia simply because they are Ukrainians shows just how much they don't know about Eastern Europe.
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