[BBC] Zoe Quinn talks about Gamergate. "Big Firms Must Condemn Gamergate"
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;46367528]It's common for women to get kidnapped and then raped in the real world you know.
[editline]30th October 2014[/editline]
Gone Home and Fallout New Vegas once again are the only two that come to mind. Neither of them depict it directly though. Silent Hill 2 maybe?[/QUOTE]
Where in Gone Home is there a rape scene?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46367130]Boy I really can't wait to buy this game so I can accurately say how and why certain parts of it are bad.
Like the gameplay. And the multiplayer.[/QUOTE]
If you're not willing to actually research the topic you're arguing, then you don't really have much say in it. You're as bad as Anita in taking things out of context.
[editline]30th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46367483]This is exactly what I said earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE]
You're doing the exact opposite of what you claim to say
We don't need to divide.
We just need to get the upper hand with the news. We need someone to show that GG isn't about what anti-GG says its about.
Hell, anti-GG has people sending actual kitchen knives and shit like that as death threats, but nobody gives a shit about that. If a GG supporter tells someone from anti-GG or if Anita sends a death threat to herself (or better yet, there was some anti-gg who received a very respectful and feet-on-earth email, and STILL called it scary, although I think that had to be a joke), they will get people reporting that as hate from the GG side because "muh poor feminists"
Yeah there are plenty of sexist issues in video games but, i don't think portraying rape is one of them, there are thousands of movies and a few games that depict or imply rape- and, in games at least, its never portrayed in a light that makes it seem acceptable, cool or funny, its consistently portrayed as something horrific that sickens both your character and the npcs around him.
There are a few rapists In fallout new-Vegas, and that just gave me more incentive to hunt them down and shoot them in the face, it didn't make me think women should be raped or this was an okay thing to happen.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46367741]Where in Gone Home is there a rape scene?[/QUOTE]
If you read around[sp]the protagonists father was pretty explicitly was molested as a child, by his uncle, who is the one who gave the family the house after he died[/sp]
[editline]30th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46368172]If you're not willing to actually research the topic you're arguing, then you don't really have much say in it. You're as bad as Anita in taking things out of context.
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Okay please buy me an xbox and GTAV so I can talk about this game accurately right now. C'mon please don't pretend getting information from secondhand sources isn't comepletely innacurate.
[editline]30th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46368172]You're doing the exact opposite of what you claim to say[/QUOTE]
In what way?
so when did zoe quinn switch careers from Game Dev to Professional Victim?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46368744]Okay please buy me an xbox and GTAV so I can talk about this game accurately right now.[/QUOTE]
If you're not willing to research your arguments yourself, don't say anything. At least Anita pretends to play the games she complains about.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46368744]C'mon please don't pretend getting information from secondhand sources isn't comepletely innacurate.[/QUOTE]
Judge things for yourself. Not from what others tell you.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46368744]In what way?[/QUOTE]
You're judging a GTA V scene purely by content rather than by context and execution.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46368838]
You're judging a GTA V scene purely by content rather than by context and execution.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you're talking about, I've been banging on and on about GTAV's poor execution and praising how New Vegas and Gone home did it.
[editline]30th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46368838]If you're not willing to research your arguments yourself, don't say anything. At least Anita pretends to play the games she complains about.[/QUOTE]
Alright look out for my kickstarter, I expect you to come through with the big bucks.
"Big Firms should condemn this moviment that is against me"
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;46368824]so when did zoe quinn switch careers from Game Dev to Professional Victim?[/QUOTE]
Game Dev is just a part time job.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46368869]I don't know what you're talking about, I've been banging on and on about GTAV's poor execution and praising how New Vegas and Gone home did it.
[editline]30th October 2014[/editline]
Alright look out for my kickstarter, I expect you to come through with the big bucks.[/QUOTE]
Still don't see how a cannibal whos tying up a person is rape. i would call it cannibalism imho.
your arguments are literally "well i see a clip that's out of context on youtube so it must be rape." your arguments are so shitty just like Anita's.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46368869]I don't know what you're talking about, I've been banging on and on about GTAV's poor execution and praising how New Vegas and Gone home did it.
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How can you say GTAV has poor execution when you've [i]never played the game?[/i]
What you are doing is intellectually dishonest. You [i]can not[/i] claim authority over something you know nothing about. There's no rape scene in RDR, you need to [b]stop[/b] claiming that you "interpret it differently" because you are twisting events and ignoring context to suit your argument.
As I said in the Colbert report thread about Anita Sareesian: Context fucking matters!
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46366786]
The statistics lately show that women are just about edging dudes out as a majority. But games being made now haven't really shifted to reflect that.[/QUOTE]
Okay, if it hasn't been clarified, I'm gonna do it now.
Women dominate in hand held, mobile and facebook games. Men dominate as the early adopters, pre-orders, console purchases, console playing, PC game playing, piracy rates.
The only space where men and women are equal are MMOs. The number is twitching over slowly but just look at that.
Most of the money is still in male hands, games have a short window to truly make a profit just like movies which means the early adopters and those people waiting in lines on day one hold more consumer power. At the end of the day, videogames are made by guys for guys because that's where the money is.
Women have already sunk their cash into mobile games and a lot of those games are actually extremely manipulative and cash grabby so there's still a lot of doubt that women would make the switch over.
If you want me to break it down more, I can actually go into specific genres.
Siiick of heaaaring about this person.
[QUOTE=Swilly;46369604]
If you want me to break it down more, I can actually go into specific genres.[/QUOTE]
This is fairly interesting, I would like to know more.
who'd she bang to get this covered
I didn't really give a shit about her when she was just making her shitty youtube videos on her channel
but why is she appearing on "legitimate" news sources??
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46367130]
Boy I really can't wait to buy this game so I can accurately say how and why certain parts of it are bad.
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Boy I really can't wait to read this book so I can accurately say how and why certain parts of it are bad.
You could probably make it as a games journalist.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;46367427]You admitted that the culty/cannibal scene could be read as rapey
So I'm not making things up, according to you.[/QUOTE]
Okay. So now you're just deliberately ignoring context to complain
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46367427]You admitted that the culty/cannibal scene could be read as rapey
So I'm not making things up, according to you.[/QUOTE]
I think what he meant is that initially it can be seen as a rape attempt but then when you find out it's just a cult of cannibals kidnapping someone to butcher and devour them (which is so much more comforting than the idea of a sexual assault involving a fully clothed woman) your reaction should be to say "Oh that's what it is, nevermind then" instead of digging in and refusing to let new information change your viewpoint.
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;46365290]I wonder how people can bring themselves to support this [B]cunt[/B], considering the way she acts and treats others.[/QUOTE]
Nope, no misogyny to see here at all!
Basically everything I see about Gamergate on Facepunch confirms what [I]the rest of the world[/I] says about Gamergate: It's a "movement" of pissy teenagers and manchildren that are mad about women trying to change gaming's status as an immature little boy's club.
Yes because calling someone cunt means misogyny you dumb cunt
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373013]Nope, no misogyny to see here at all!
Basically everything I see about Gamergate on Facepunch confirms what [I]the rest of the world[/I] says about Gamergate: It's a "movement" of pissy teenagers and manchildren that are mad about women trying to change gaming's status as an immature little boy's club.[/QUOTE]
Good job being a drone that's defending the status quo of independent gaming being a corrupted slog under the false pretense that you're defending women's rights.
It's not Zoe Quinn who donated several thousands to an actual association doing actual work to help women getting in video game development. She's the one who tried to take it down because the association wouldn't give [I]her[/I] free funding. If that's not proof enough that Zoe Quinn and the rest of the anti-gamergate people are just using women's rights as a cover for their ethically questionable profit schemes, then I don't know what is (other than the few other times when gamergate supporters gave money to various associations fighting for women's rights and gamergate detractors demanded that these associations refuse thousands of dollars in funding based on no solid grounds).
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373013]Nope, no misogyny to see here at all!
Basically everything I see about Gamergate on Facepunch confirms what [I]the rest of the world[/I] says about Gamergate: It's a "movement" of pissy teenagers and manchildren that are mad about women trying to change gaming's status as an immature little boy's club.[/QUOTE]
one person says cunt and that's enough to color your perception of thousands of people?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373013]Nope, no misogyny to see here at all!
Basically everything I see about Gamergate on Facepunch confirms what [I]the rest of the world[/I] says about Gamergate: It's a "movement" of pissy teenagers and manchildren that are mad about women trying to change gaming's status as an immature little boy's club.[/QUOTE]
You haven't got a fucking clue m8
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373013]Nope, no misogyny to see here at all!
Basically everything I see about Gamergate on Facepunch confirms what [I]the rest of the world[/I] says about Gamergate: It's a "movement" of pissy teenagers and manchildren that are mad about women trying to change gaming's status as an immature little boy's club.[/QUOTE]
Do some research before coming into this, or maybe you're one of those people who believe we're on the wrong side of history?
[QUOTE=Mr.95;46373109]Do some research before coming into this, or maybe you're one of those people who believe we're on the wrong side of history?[/QUOTE]
I'm one of those people who [I]know[/I] you're on the wrong side of history.
The idea that Gamergate is about journalism and ethics is totally laughable. And it's too bad, because gaming journalism totally is a swamp of corruption. The movement blew it's shot at actually changing anything by spending all their time spamming threats and sexist garbage.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373550]I'm one of those people who [I]know[/I] you're on the wrong side of history.
The idea that Gamergate is about journalism and ethics is totally laughable. And it's too bad, because gaming journalism totally is a swamp of corruption. The movement blew it's shot at actually changing anything by spending all their time spamming threats and sexist garbage.[/QUOTE]
Such bigotry based Murica. God bless, sir, god bless.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373550]I'm one of those people who [I]know[/I] you're on the wrong side of history.[/QUOTE]
Stating that you know something, does not actually translate to holding any information on the subject.
I could state that I know everything about everything under the sun and past the boundaries of the observable universe.
Doesn't mean I do.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46373550]I'm one of those people who [I]know[/I] you're on the wrong side of history.
The idea that Gamergate is about journalism and ethics is totally laughable. And it's too bad, because gaming journalism totally is a swamp of corruption. The movement blew it's shot at actually changing anything by spending all their time spamming threats and sexist garbage.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain what "Gamergate" is specifically doing which is so wrong which is not being done by "AGG"?
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