• US Army to Hold Competition for New Camouflage Patterns
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[QUOTE=Uberslug;26758384]The moon is not blue.[/QUOTE] Everyone knows the moon is made of cheese and some areas have a lot of bleu.
Octopus Camo use it...
[QUOTE=Uberslug;26758384]The moon is not blue.[/QUOTE] Clearly Yuki said the light was blue and not the moon itself. Clear difference.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26734889]Fuck a new design Just use this [img_thumb]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090418022044/wikiality/images/f/f5/Agaysoldier.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] You can't see it at all, brilliant design.
hello kitty camo here i come
[QUOTE=aloywad;26775774]Clearly Yuki said the light was blue and not the moon itself. Clear difference.[/QUOTE] You do not understand how light works. The light coming from the moon is the same color as the moon. If the moon is not blue, neither will be the light it is reflecting, capisce?
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;26732745]it should be fairly obvious that, having the only [i]proper[/i] army in the world, it's of course talking about the united states[/QUOTE] the sad thing is, after reading so many of your posts, i'm not sure if you're joking or serious
The Navy's uniform is pretty lol It's blue. [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/1o0tih.jpg[/IMG]
I can see ACU being good for temperate urban warfare. Tan colored desert on the other hand...
[QUOTE=Uberslug;26782868]You do not understand how light works. The light coming from the moon is the same color as the moon. If the moon is not blue, neither will be the light it is reflecting, capisce?[/QUOTE] WHAT !? I am pretty sure that a dark blue camo will fit in the dark. Are you implying that Black in the dark is better then Dark Blue ?
[QUOTE=Uberslug;26782868]You do not understand how light works. The light coming from the moon is the same color as the moon. If the moon is not blue, neither will be the light it is reflecting, capisce?[/QUOTE] Except there are factors that affect the perceived color of the moon, such as the atmosphere.
My suggestion: [img]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3006/camo.png[/img]
[QUOTE=nikomo;26785009]My suggestion: [img_thumb]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3006/camo.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Protip: Throwing in pictures of enemies from games does not make you funny.
How about working on stealth camo instead?
[QUOTE=aloywad;26746234]Respect![/QUOTE] You mean restecp!
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26784921]Except there are factors that affect the perceived color of the moon, such as the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] The color of the atmosphere is the same at night as it is in the day time. The difference is that it is much fainter because the moon is reflecting the light from the sun rather than casting it itself. A long-exposure photograph at night will reveal that, in fact, the color of the light the moon is reflecting is exactly the same as the light the sun is generating because the moon is colorless: [IMG]http://images.alphamountworld.com/carlg/sony-files/a900/a900-jt-moonlight-le-web.jpg[/IMG] (note there is some blue vignetting around the edges of the picture, this was added in later for aesthetic value) There is no reason to make "night time" camo blue anyway, because the human eye cannot perceive color under low-light conditions. This is called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotopic_vision]"scotopic vision."[/url] Unless you want all of your camouflage patterns to be blue (for some reason).
Except light we get from the sun is scattered and we perceive it as blue, why is why the sky is blue. By the same logic, the "colorless" light reflected from the moon onto the earth would also be scattered and we would perceive it as slightly blue. However it would be in MUCH lower quantity than that from the sun. You're also making a strawman argument when you're talking about the nightsky and camo color, I am not supporting or condemning the camo, I am simply saying the light from the moon is not colorless.
The moon is colorless, the light from the sun is a slightly yellow color, which upon reaching the atmosphere after being reflected off the moon become almost white. [editline]19th December 2010[/editline] But the fact is that it doesn't matter what color the light is anyway because it is impossible to perceive color when your eyes have resorted to scotopic vision, like I said.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;26793562]The moon is colorless, the light from the sun is a slightly yellow color, which upon reaching the atmosphere after being reflected off the moon become almost white.[/QUOTE] Except as you said the sky is blue, which is showing that the light from the sun/moon is indeed being scattered. It's irrelevant what color the source is, it's important the color of the objects they illuminate. We could see the sun as purple but if it somehow made green light when going through the atmosphere, you'd want your camo to be green.
What the hell are you talking about
[QUOTE=Uberslug;26793616]What the hell are you talking about[/QUOTE] Okay, here is a poorly constructed analogy to convey my point. Say you had a room with yellow lightbulbs on one end, and you're standing at the other. If you fill the room with a slightly colored gas and turn the lights on, if you manage to calibrate the amount of gas so that the color of the lights became white, you would perceive the lights as white. However, if the walls were white, the light that bounces off the walls would be yellow, but turn more colored as they pass through more gas. So when you look at the walls, they would appear to be the same color as the gas, at least partially. What's important here is that the lights are turning the walls a certain color because of the gas, if you wanted to blend in that room, you would want camo that is the color of the gas, NOT the color of the lightbulb. Although this is a non-argument because you mentioned the fact people can't really see color at night.
Wouldn't you want to be the same color as the walls since that's what you're trying to blend into? I'm trying to say that you wouldn't need to change uniforms at night because if you still look exactly like the terrain around you, there's no problem. If the terrain is gray and your uniform is dark blue, you're gonna stand out because you will look black.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;26793730]Wouldn't you want to be the same color as the walls since that's what you're trying to blend into? I'm trying to say that you wouldn't need to change uniforms at night because if you still look exactly like the terrain around you, there's no problem. If the terrain is gray and your uniform is dark blue, you're gonna stand out because you will look black.[/QUOTE] Sorry yes I meant the same color as the walls, but yes it would be smart to be the same color as the terrain, I was not arguing that point, I was simply saying how the atmosphere changes the color of the light.
oh ok but yeah, it doesn't really matter even without scotopic vision because it's not like the Army is gonna issue a second uniform to every single person for night time stuff. theyd just be like deal with it
Is there an advantage to using the digital camo over the other types? It looks rather un-natural but I'm sure there is some advantage.
I believe the idea is to have a finer gradation between colors to make splotches stand out less, but not being so blurry that you can see the folds in the cloth itself. I don't think there's a real reason for it to be made out of little squares though.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26793828]Is there an advantage to using the digital camo over the other types? It looks rather un-natural but I'm sure there is some advantage.[/QUOTE] What Slug said + digital is more effective at closer ranges than traditional camouflage types due to the smaller size of color blotches and colors being closer together and what not. Then there's Multicam, which uses a blending effect to pretty much make it relatively effective in woodland and desert.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26793828]Is there an advantage to using the digital camo over the other types? It looks rather un-natural but I'm sure there is some advantage.[/QUOTE] I think this image shows the advantages of pixelated camo. Even when you're focusing on the right side of the vehicle, you might have a little difficulty in judging its shape with your eyes. [img]http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/94/macromicropattern.gif[/img] Macropatterns work best for long range battlefields like the North German Plain or the Fulda Gap. When it comes to low-intensity conflict micro is the best.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;26784017]The Navy's uniform is pretty lol It's blue. [img_thumb]http://i54.tinypic.com/1o0tih.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] It turns orange when it comes in contact with salt water
Back when I was staying at an Army camp I noticed one soldier who wasn't in ACU. He had this sort of black, dark blue, and another sort of dark blueish color digital camo. I kinda thought that guy was from Russia or something since but I got a closer look at his uniform while in the mess hall to get lunch and saw that the guy was from the Navy. Never really saw that camo before so I was a little surprised. Oh hey there it is up there. Colors were darker if I recall correctly.
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