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FUCKING REPUBLICANS I JUST WANNA RIP THEM ALL TO SHREDS GAAAAAAH WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE SO STUPID
Hmmmm still goes on to prove the politics of my country are utter shit and both parties really do blow.
This is like a kindergarden arguement.
[QUOTE=LuckyLuke;34678813]My knowledge on US Politics is limited at best, but am I right in thinking Republicans are the stupid ones? Just like over here in the UK there's ... well all of 'em are shite but still.[/QUOTE] The Republican party passed stupid a long time ago, when John McCain lost in 2008. Now it's an unfortunately large extremist faction with absolutely zero brainpower. [editline]13th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fort83;34681525]As if peaceful means have worked at all. Look at history, when does peaceful acts create big change in a corrupt nation? It's always been through bloodshed and sacrifice. As bad as it sounds, violence seems to be the only option to work. Peaceful means won't change anything. No offence but grow some grapes america.[/QUOTE] This is why we're better than the third world. We don't debate with bullets and pass legislation with our lives. We use words, and nonviolent methods. If you like violence so much why don't you go back to Somalia or Syria where your ideas belong.
[QUOTE=Fort83;34681525]As if peaceful means have worked at all. Look at history, when does peaceful acts create big change in a corrupt nation? It's always been through bloodshed and sacrifice. As bad as it sounds, violence seems to be the only option to work. Peaceful means won't change anything. No offence but grow some grapes america.[/QUOTE] Tunisian Revolution
Both parties I think have problems. You guys think liberals are the smart ones with the perfect ways, but their just as bad as the republican party.
[QUOTE=werrek;34687178]Both parties I think have problems. You guys think liberals are the smart ones with the perfect ways, but their just as bad as the republican party.[/QUOTE] While 1 far-right conservative is as bad as 1 far-left liberal, I think there are more far-rights than far-lefts, which tips the scales a bit. [editline]13th February 2012[/editline] Not implying that there should be more far-left people in politics. The problem, I think, does not lie in the individual ideology of a person, no matter how extreme. It resides in the party ideology so firmly ingrained into the minds of the American people. The things we could achieve if we could but overcome it.
[QUOTE=werrek;34687178]Both parties I think have problems. You guys think liberals are the smart ones with the perfect ways, but their just as bad as the republican party.[/QUOTE] False equivalence right here. You've stated that both sides are 'just as bad' but with not substantiation, put up a strawman of 'you guys think liberals are perfect', and finished it off with the same passive aggressive tone of anyone else like yourself. But no, do elaborate. [editline]13th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hidole555;34687217]While 1 far-right conservative is as bad as 1 far-left liberal, I think there are more far-rights than far-lefts, which tips the scales a bit.[/quote] Again, not sure where you're getting this idea that far-right and far-left are equally bad (not even sure how one could determine that two people are equidistant from the centre), it implies that the only good government is Centrist. That is quite often not the case.
The high taxes suck for my step-dad, because the house we're living in just had a huge black mold invasion and we're gonna lose it due to not having enough money to fix it. Also, the lawsuit to the builders of the house for poor plumbing has failed and Allstate took a giant shit on us by denying our ONLY claim we ever made to them.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34681765]The Civil Rights Movement is probably the biggest example of how nonviolence can work, but also the Women's Suffrage movement and the Anti-War movement during Vietnam. This big issue is just how deeply entrenched these problems are in our government now.[/QUOTE] The bourgeoisie occasionally have to make concessions to slow down history and extend their rule. The Black Panthers played a [b] significant[/b] role in the Civil Rights Movement. The Anti-War movement, was, face it, a disaster. The NVA and VC kicking our asses in Tet made us pull out, along with Nixon's fuckups. [QUOTE=smurfy;34687031]Tunisian Revolution[/QUOTE] lolno [QUOTE=werrek;34687178]Both parties I think have problems. You guys think liberals are the smart ones with the perfect ways, but their just as bad as the republican party.[/QUOTE] The Democrats are 90000000x better than the Republicans, but that isn't saying very much. :v: [QUOTE=Sled Dog;34687721]The high taxes suck for my step-dad, because the house we're living in just had a huge black mold invasion and we're gonna lose it due to not having enough money to fix it. Also, the lawsuit to the builders of the house for poor plumbing has failed and Allstate took a giant shit on us by denying our ONLY claim we ever made to them.[/QUOTE] Low income ain't going to be hit hard. Worry about your dad's wage, not his taxes.
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[QUOTE=werrek;34687178]Both parties I think have problems. You guys think liberals are the smart ones with the perfect ways, but their just as bad as the republican party.[/QUOTE] I dunno. The Republicans ran with a person who definitely wasn't born in America, while spouting the birther movement.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34687409] Again, not sure where you're getting this idea that far-right and far-left are equally bad (not even sure how one could determine that two people are equidistant from the centre), it implies that the only good government is Centrist. That is quite often not the case.[/QUOTE] By far-left, I mean like a hardline communist. Pure communism just doesn't work. [B]But[/B], that's not the point of what I'm saying. It's all in the parties. You have Republicans and Democrats and they both establish what 'their' views are. To many, it enforces the concept of black-and-white politics which only hinders the supposed flexibility a democratic republic comes with. I'm only good at typing when I'm angry, so I'll just let this man speak for me. [video=youtube;fOaCemmsnNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaCemmsnNk[/video] Please don't go all "lol he talked about Ron Paul" on me. That is not the purpose for which I am showing this. [sp] and if you immediately disregarded what he had to say just because of that logo in the corner, you're no better than the Republicans who always tune Obama out [/sp]
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34688488]By far-left, I mean like a hardline communist. Pure communism just doesn't work.[/QUOTE] Capitalism doesn't work.
[QUOTE=muesli23;34688273]The Anti-War movement, was, face it, a disaster. The NVA and VC kicking our asses in Tet made us pull out, along with Nixon's fuckups..[/QUOTE] Fun fact: 60,000 Americans are dead or missing because of the Vietnam war. The North Vietnamese lost about 1 million. Also, [URL="http://www.mrfa.org/vnstats.htm"]82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of a lack of political will. Nearly 75% of the general public (in 1993) agrees with that.[/URL] [editline]13th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=muesli23;34688512]Capitalism doesn't work.[/QUOTE] You need to be more specific. Communism is a form of government along with an economic system. Capitalism is an economic system with many different variations. You have laissez-faire (what you may be referring to), social capitalism, state capitalism, even mercantilism was considered a form of capitalism.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34688488]By far-left, I mean like a hardline communist. Pure communism just doesn't work. [B]But[/B], that's not the point of what I'm saying. It's all in the parties. You have Republicans and Democrats and they both establish what 'their' views are. To many, it enforces the concept of black-and-white politics which only hinders the supposed flexibility a democratic republic comes with. I'm only good at typing when I'm angry, so I'll just let this man speak for me. [video=youtube;fOaCemmsnNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaCemmsnNk[/video] Please don't go all "lol he talked about Ron Paul" on me. That is not the purpose for which I am showing this. [sp] and if you immediately disregarded what he had to say just because of that logo in the corner, you're no better than the Republicans who always tune Obama out [/sp][/QUOTE] I understand his point and I despise the two-party system, but I still disagree with the idea that both parties are 'equally bad'. It also seems ridiculously hypocritical for him to go on about how we need 'Ron Paul to protect us from the government'. Is he unaware that Paul is a Congressman right now? As in, was elected under the two-party system that is supposedly conspiring against him? This guy's set it up in a nice way that makes Ron Paul look nice, but at the same time continues to go on about how Republicans and Democrats are [I]not at all different,[/I] when that is not true.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34688684]I understand his point and I despise the two-party system, but I still disagree with the idea that both parties are 'equally bad'. It also seems ridiculously hypocritical for him to go on about how we need 'Ron Paul to protect us from the government'. Is he unaware that Paul is a Congressman right now? As in, was elected under the two-party system that is supposedly conspiring against him? This guy's set it up in a nice way that makes Ron Paul look nice, but at the same time continues to go on about how Republicans and Democrats are [I]not at all different,[/I] when that is not true.[/QUOTE] Let's take a situation where the Republican party split over infighting on some major issue. We are now left a large Democratic majority[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo"] until the mechanics of FPTP works itself out again.[/URL] Who do you think the corporate backers, lobbyists, and all other manner will flock to? The Democrats are but men, fallible and corruptible. Need I remind you that bills like SOPA received bipartisan support and it took Google and Wikipedia to wake up the complacent masses for a brief moment to halt it? Wouldn't it be nice if they didn't have to do that and the people could elect legislators who would actually represent them?
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34688836]Let's take a situation where the Republican party split over infighting on some major issue. We are now left a large Democratic majority[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo"] until the mechanics of FPTP works itself out again.[/URL] Who do you think the corporate backers, lobbyists, and all other manner will flock to? The Democrats are but men, fallible and corruptible. Need I remind you that bills like SOPA received bipartisan support and it took Google and Wikipedia to wake up the complacent masses for a brief moment to halt it? Wouldn't it be nice if they didn't have to do that and the people could elect legislators who would actually represent them?[/QUOTE] Right, and for that we need electoral reform and campaign finance reform, something not on the horizon right now.
[QUOTE=Fort83;34686820]Yes because talking to them is really fixing the problem. Look at history, big changes that needed to happen only happened through action, not words. The modern united states has this to be thankful for. A lot of blood was shed to make the united states. Look at the war of independence (revolutionary war) You can be the white knight and say being peaceful and nice wins people over, as much as that looks good on paper, it isn't how reality works. There will always be corrupt people in power, abusing what they have and fucking over the people below them. When it comes to corrupt people like the republicans, talking does not work, it never has. Grow some balls, and fight for the free country you want to make a reality. And with the way things are going in the US, i wouldn't be surprised if you guys turned into a third world country in the future.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that I should arm up and start shooting Republicans in the street? That won't do anything, just create a lot of hysterical families and local strife-which will lead to more violence. May I ask you, when FDR passed the new deal, did he do it by driving tanks down wall street and shooting anyone who disagrees? When Teddy Roosevelt made his square deal, did he shoot anyone who spoke out against it? Exactly my point. Yes, there is corruption near everywhere, but do you think its better in a third world country? or even some of tyhe European countries? No, its not, and last I call places like Syria where they were using violence to express there opinions the leaders were significantly more corrupt. And no, we are not becoming a third world country. We were worse off during the first days of the Great Depression, with not just a horribly incompetent President, but anarchist groups in the streets. We still pulled through.
Not surprising. Then again, it will probably change. The Democrats are a bunch of caring(wants to help all people, even illegals) spending pussies, and the Republicans are a bunch of defiant warmongering money-pissing retards. Both parties suck. We need to vote these idiots out of Congress right now. For fucks sake, their approval rating is lower than herpes.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34689070]Right, and for that we need electoral reform and campaign finance reform, something not on the horizon right now.[/QUOTE] Then=n let's make it on the horizon. If everyone's waiting for someone else to start something, nothing gets done.
"Republicans bash Ob...." Nothing new here.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34693838]Then=n let's make it on the horizon. If everyone's waiting for someone else to start something, nothing gets done.[/QUOTE] And? What do you expect me to do? I have enough to worry about as it is.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34694302]And? What do you expect me to do? I have enough to worry about as it is.[/QUOTE] There seems to be an overwhelming consensus in this country that it is falling the fuck apart and it seems only those who are seriously affected care. Understand that the issues of a few can become the burden of many if you allow time to fester it into a bigger problem then it is now. I've honestly seen through my life the degradation of this country, I saw before my eyes how we became the paranoia state always living in fear of another terrorist attack, but we need to be honest with ourselves now. Our government officials are using terrorism as a basis for many of their ideas, saying if this doesn't get done or that doesn't get done that the terrorists won. By definition we have allowed our government leaders to in fact terrorize us. We've allowed their stupidity, their contradictions of freedoms for security, their destructive disregard for American life, as well as the lives of people in foreign countries. Our government is just using it's people, it doesn't care how things get done.
[QUOTE=Rainhorror;34688347]tl;dr[/QUOTE] I was being a Republican, guys.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34694880]There seems to be an overwhelming consensus in this country that it is falling the fuck apart and it seems only those who are seriously affected care. Understand that the issues of a few can become the burden of many if you allow time to fester it into a bigger problem then it is now. I've honestly seen through my life the degradation of this country, I saw before my eyes how we became the paranoia state always living in fear of another terrorist attack, but we need to be honest with ourselves now. Our government officials are using terrorism as a basis for many of their ideas, saying if this doesn't get done or that doesn't get done that the terrorists won. By definition we have allowed our government leaders to in fact terrorize us. We've allowed their stupidity, their contradictions of freedoms for security, their destructive disregard for American life, as well as the lives of people in foreign countries. Our government is just using it's people, it doesn't care how things get done.[/QUOTE] I never said I don't care, just that I don't have the capacity to do anything about it right now. If anything, I care quite a lot, because my family's been in a near-constant state of financial distress for a number of years now.
[QUOTE=muesli23;34688273]lolno[/QUOTE] Would you like to expand on that? Tunisia went from a dictatorship to a functioning democracy entirely through peaceful protest What about the revolutions of 1989?
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