"The constitution has failed" - Ron Paul delivers farewell speech to Congress, freedom
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38464357][url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=age+of+the+universe[/url][/QUOTE]
What does the age of the universe have to do with creationism? The idea that the world was created by a superior being has never been proven false
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464318]Funny that you'd claim that considering Ayn Rand vehemently attacked any politician opposing abortion while she was alive. Ayn Rand and Ron Paul are very different people. Even with her flaws, Rand will always be the more significant intellectual.[/QUOTE]You know that Ron Paul supported DOMA, right? IE: Federal Legislation barring recognition of gay marriage.
[QUOTE=MBB;38464370]What does the age of the universe have to do with creationism? The idea that the world was created by a superior being has never been proven false[/QUOTE]
Except you have no evidence backing it up.
I like Ron Paul as a person, he seems to genuinely care about the things he talks about and seems to mean well, but holy shit are his politics retarded.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38464379]Except you have no evidence backing it up.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean it's a "fact" that it's false. You obviously have no idea how science works.
[QUOTE=MBB;38464344]Show me an empirical study where creationism is somehow specifically proven false[/QUOTE]
[url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation[/url]
Rin, you can't just switch words around, you gotta back it up too.
[QUOTE=MBB;38464384]That doesn't mean it's a "fact" that it's false. You obviously have no idea how science works.[/QUOTE]
be less obvious with your trolling
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38464388][url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation[/url][/QUOTE]
I never said anything about Young Earth creationism
Well the one thing I liked about Ron is that he seemed like he truly believed in what he was saying, and genuinely wanted what he thought was best for America, even though it might not always have been by some peoples standards. That's more than I can say for just about everyone else in our damned government.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38464391]be less obvious with your trolling[/QUOTE]
Yes, I must be trolling because I don't believe in the beautiful atheist world where all Christians are literally retards and Richard Dawkins is king of the land
[QUOTE=MBB;38464370]What does the age of the universe have to do with creationism? The idea that the world was created by a superior being has never been proven false[/QUOTE]
Regardless of whether it's proven to be false, there is absolutely no reasonable ground for believing in it. Being so sure about its truth as creationists are when all signs are pointing to the theories of evolution and the Big Bang just shows poor judgment.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38464369]Rand was never an intellectual, she was a terrible writer with a terrible philosophy.[/QUOTE]
She was more of an intellectual than you could ever hope to be. I don't understand people who attack her like this, following the bandwagon of hate against her will never make you better than her.
The fact of the matter is that she was perhaps the most important political philosopher of the 20th century. Her philosophical treatises continue to affect intelligentsia and politicians to this day.
Do you think Obama is unaware of Rand, what about Chomsky? Regardless of whether her ideas are wrong or not, it is utterly sophomoric to deny her as an intellectual.
I don't get the idea that you should respect or like someone just because they genuinely believe what they are saying. Especially if what they are saying is batshit crazy and dangerous to the well being of 300+ Million people and quite likely many more than that.
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464413]She was more of an intellectual than you could ever hope to be. I don't understand people who attack her like this, following the bandwagon of hate against her will never make you better than her.
The fact of the matter is that she was perhaps the most important political philosopher of the 20th century. Her philosophical treatises continue to affect intelligentsia and politicians to this day.
Do you think Obama is unaware of Rand, what about Chomsky? Regardless of whether her ideas are wrong or not, it is utterly sophomoric to deny her as an intellectual.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://lesswrong.com/lw/m1/guardians_of_ayn_rand/[/url]
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[QUOTE=MBB;38464398]I never said anything about Young Earth creationism[/QUOTE]
[url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#Creationism_is_not_a_theory[/url]
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464413]The fact of the matter is that she was perhaps the most important political philosopher of the 20th century. [/QUOTE]
Holy shit, no.
She is so small-fry in the philosophical world that she barely gets a mention in anything.
[QUOTE=Untouch;38464390]Rin, you can't just switch words around, you gotta back it up too.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't that the point of me switching the words around in the first place? To show that all those statements were nothing but pure rhetoric like that witnessed on other lowly news discussion forums?
If that's how people want to act, fine. But they need to stop pretending they are any better than the denizens of washingtonpost.com
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464413]The fact of the matter is that she was perhaps the most important political philosopher of the 20th century.[/QUOTE]
I literally spat my Sesame street mug of tea onto the desk and choked myself laughing.
[b]THE[/b] most important?
This is so funny I am going to save this quote because it is literally one of the worst ever statements ever made on this forum on politics and philosophy.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38464471]I literally spat my Sesame street mug of tea onto the desk and choked myself laughing.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you start by naming one more significant than her? Why is she constantly brought up on this forum?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38464471]I literally spat my Sesame street mug of tea onto the desk and choked myself laughing.
[b]THE[/b] most important?
This is so funny I am going to save this quote because it is literally one of the worst ever statements ever made on this forum on politics and philosophy.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree.
She didn't even get a mention in three years of philosophy modules (unless I missed one).
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38464457]Holy shit, no.
She is so small-fry in the philosophical world that she barely gets a mention in anything.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Noam Chomsky]
I use the term in the traditional sense, not the US sense. I strongly dislike the figures you mention. Rand in my view is one of the most evil figures of modern intellectual history. Friedman was an important economist. I'll leave it at that.[/quote]
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464485]Why don't you start by naming one more significant than her? Why is she constantly brought up on this forum?[/QUOTE]
Fodder for comedy.
My argument is that she was an intellectual, not that she was right.
[editline]15th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38464493]
She didn't even get a mention in three years of philosophy modules (unless I missed one).[/QUOTE]
I go to a public university in one of the most liberal states in the country, she has been mentioned not only in some of my philosophy and history courses but also in every single economics course.
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464500]Rand getting barely mentioned[/QUOTE]
point
[QUOTE=Fangz;38462726]I actually somewhat agree with a few of these. I do feel like the US has overstepped its bounds with the Patriot ACT and the FBI arresting people for medical marijuana instead of trying to strike down those state laws. While I say that some of his ideals are pretty out there, I do agree we are facing some power issues at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Privatizing literally everything won't solve a damn thing though.
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464485]Why don't you start by naming one more significant than her? Why is she constantly brought up on this forum?[/QUOTE]
because she's our favorite punching bag
as for more important philosophers, just off the top of my head:
aristotle, plato, socrates, aquinas, confucius, kant, hume, william of ockham, thomas bayes, isaac newton, foucault (say what you want about postmodernism, foucalt was a sharp cookie), russel, hofstadter, dennet, betham, mill, paine, moldbug
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464508]I go to a public university in one of the most liberal states in the country, she has been mentioned not only in some of my philosophy and history courses but also in every single economics course.[/QUOTE]
But surely if you do philosophy, why would you be comparing her to 20th century Goliath movement like structuralism and post-structuralism and all the ~ intellectuals ~ within.
The most significant leader of the Federal Reserve (arguably the most powerful man in the world) was a disciple of Ayn Rand.
You can laugh at her ideas all you want, you can't sneeze off her significance to politics.
Keep throwing around "funny" ratings, it won't change the asininity.
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464485]Why don't you start by naming one more significant than her? Why is she constantly brought up on this forum?[/QUOTE]
Vladimir Lenin.
[QUOTE=RinVII;38464508]My argument is that she was an intellectual, not that she was right.[/QUOTE]
She was neither.
Christ even Mao was a bigger and more important intellectual
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