• "The constitution has failed" - Ron Paul delivers farewell speech to Congress, freedom
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[QUOTE=RinVII;38464413]The fact of the matter is that she was perhaps the most important political philosopher of the 20th century. what about Chomsky?[/QUOTE] Why are Libertarians such bloody delusional idiots? Even Mussolini (the founder of the most feared ideology during the early half of the 20th Century) is fucking leagues away from Rand. His policies, whether by separate components or by following the whole package, has shaped modern politics more than Rand could ever do. Some of Chomsky's books are bad, but he's way better than Rand. I'm not Anarcho-Syndicalists, but I can't believe that you actually comparing Chomsky to Rand.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;38467781]If I could just pull your head out of that cloud of methane for a moment... [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/magazine/prime-time-for-paul-ryans-guru-the-one-thats-not-ayn-rand.html[/URL] [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/gop-monetary-madness.html[/URL] Now, you can go back to huffing your own shit.[/QUOTE] Paul Ryan and Ron Paul do not represent the entirety of the GOP. That's kind of why Paul is controversial in the party with his ideas. Didnt a Republican president introduce the stimulus? [editline]16th November 2012[/editline] Krugman isn't the only Keynesian economist either. Even Mankiw the premier Bush era economist is a Keynesian. Stop pretending you know economics because you obviously don't.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38464153]He is a creationist. Creationism =/= intelligence.[/QUOTE] The guy does have an M.D. It's a bit unfair to say he's not an intelligent guy.
[QUOTE=kebab52;38468822]The guy does have an M.D. It's a bit unfair to say he's not an intelligent guy.[/QUOTE] even stupid people can act smart
[QUOTE=kebab52;38468822]The guy does have an M.D. It's a bit unfair to say he's not an intelligent guy.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't entrust him with running a chippy, let alone a whole state.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38468840]even stupid people can act smart[/QUOTE] A Bachelors in Biology and an M.D., he then went on to become a flight surgeon. I'm not defending his policies, but stupid people don't become surgeons.
Lots of people criticizing Ron Paul who don't even seem to understand American politics or political history at all. Herp de derp, politics are dumb, why should we have to learn about it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38468855]I wouldn't entrust him with running a chippy, let alone a whole state.[/QUOTE] Right, but it's not about his ability to run a state, I'm just saying that he's not a stupid man.
How did this go from Ron Paul to a creationism piss contest? Goddamn it facepunch.
[QUOTE=Ponder;38468900]How did this go from Ron Paul to a creationism piss contest? Goddamn it facepunch.[/QUOTE] Because Ron Paul is a creationist.
[QUOTE=kebab52;38468858]A Bachelors in Biology and an M.D., he then went on to become a flight surgeon. I'm not defending his policies, but stupid people don't become surgeons.[/QUOTE] this is like the worst appeal to authority ever
[QUOTE=Lazor;38468920]this is like the worst appeal to authority ever[/QUOTE] Not really, I'm not saying that because he's intelligent he'd be a good leader. I'm just saying that he's quite clever, as shown by the two degrees he holds.
[QUOTE=RinVII;38468560]Krugman isn't the only Keynesian economist either.[/QUOTE] That has nothing to do with what I posted. If you can take the time to stop being a pretentious wankstain and read, this will go a lot smoother.
[QUOTE=kebab52;38468961]Not really, I'm not saying that because he's intelligent he'd be a good leader. I'm just saying that he's quite clever, as shown by the two degrees he holds.[/QUOTE] a lot of people get degrees and are really actually Quite Dumb
[QUOTE=kebab52;38468858]A Bachelors in Biology and an M.D., he then went on to become a flight surgeon. I'm not defending his policies, but stupid people don't become surgeons.[/QUOTE] you can be a brilliant surgeon and still be a complete moron when it comes to monetary policy, believe it or not.
[QUOTE=kebab52;38468961]Not really, I'm not saying that because he's intelligent he'd be a good leader. I'm just saying that he's quite clever, as shown by the two degrees he holds.[/QUOTE] That doesn't actually show intelligence, it shows willingness to jump through hoops. I'm reminded of NdGT discussing how many doctors he's seen fail physics.
So much bullcrap in this thread... The main problem with American politics is that the focus is always on internal questions like religion, rich people, abortion and LGBT rights. The voters base their decision on wethever they like these these small things or not. In the meantime the real big global problems that exists remain. The normal voter only scratches the surface on these issues. Obama and Romney are both collectivists so ofcourse they don't want you to even think about what really is important and what affects everyone on this earth. It is not fair to say that one should not like Ron Paul because he is an creationist and is against gay marriage. What really matters is that he is one of the few politicians who sees the whole picture and have taken the step towards what is really true and right.
lol ron paul threads
[QUOTE=KorJax;38469374]lol ron paul threads[/QUOTE] my favorite weekly event
[QUOTE=Lazor;38469091]a lot of people get degrees and are really actually Quite Dumb[/QUOTE] Hell, you can be an idiot and get a Nobel prize. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watson[/url]
it's about time, he shoulda been put in a home ages ago. it's insane that someone who clearly suffers from alzheimers was ever considered a powerful political figure (even if all his power was just internet hype lol)
One of the only uncorrupted and non-status-quo politicians in the federal government leaves, and Facepunch hails it as a progressive and amazing endeavor. gj guys. Even though I hate his politics, it's a fucking shame to see one of the few good men in Congress leave. Like it or not, Paul was one of the only people to criticize the government on issues that all others ignored or supported things like ACTA, CISPA, PATRIOT, NDAA, drone strikes, and extremely alarming attacks on our personal rights and liberties. Things that you all criticized the government for as well. Yet because he's a free-market capitalist and a conservative, he's also expendable, and his libertarian leanings made him "loony" and radical and not worth giving attention to.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];38470536']One of the only uncorrupted and non-status-quo politicians in the federal government leaves, and Facepunch hails it as a progressive and amazing endeavor. gj guys. Even though I hate his politics, it's a fucking shame to see one of the few good men in Congress leave. Like it or not, Paul was one of the only people to criticize the government on issues that all others ignored or supported things like ACTA, CISPA, PATRIOT, NDAA, drone strikes, and extremely alarming attacks on our personal rights and liberties. Things that you all criticized the government for as well. Yet because he's a free-market capitalist and a conservative, he's also expendable, and his libertarian leanings made him "loony" and radical and not worth giving attention to.[/QUOTE] ah yes the uncorrupt ron paul who has been preaching a return to the gold standard ever since he purchased shitloads of stocks in gold
[QUOTE=Stalk;38469262]So much bullcrap in this thread... The main problem with American politics is that the focus is always on internal questions like religion, rich people, abortion and LGBT rights. The voters base their decision on wethever they like these these small things or not. In the meantime the real big global problems that exists remain. The normal voter only scratches the surface on these issues. Obama and Romney are both collectivists so ofcourse they don't want you to even think about what really is important and what affects everyone on this earth. It is not fair to say that one should not like Ron Paul because he is an creationist and is against gay marriage. What really matters is that he is one of the few politicians who sees the whole picture and have taken the step towards what is really true and right.[/QUOTE] "Social issues don't matter, so allow me to barely explain why Ron Paul is good and virtuous."
This thread is like the question session at an academic conference. No one is making any points, all anyone is trying to do is say smart things so they look good. It's pathetic, and it is one of the reasons this forum is literally shit. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why Reply?" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=dialogical;38470853]This thread is like the question session at an academic conference. No one is making any points, all anyone is trying to do is say smart things so they look good. It's pathetic, and it is one of the reasons this forum is literally shit.[/QUOTE] what points are there to make? this is just a news story about a sad old man who somehow became an internet sensation while still remaining politically irrelevant giving up and trying to go out with a bang
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38470570]ah yes the uncorrupt ron paul who has been preaching a return to the gold standard ever since he purchased shitloads of stocks in gold[/QUOTE] Maybe because it's an intelligent thing to do? Putting your money where your mouth is isn't a bad thing, last I knew. Investing into something you think people should invest into. The economic model of using a gold standard has good ground behind it, and if we did use a standard we would see a more resilient currency and a populace with a tangible reason to have faith in the market and would be willing to invest in the private sector as well as with their own government. It's a fair free market strategy. Obviously gold has no real value besides what we attach to it, but neither does the trillions of intangible, never-really-existing virtual dollars we trade. It gives people peace of mind, and that's worth it in a free capitalist market. And buying stocks in gold is actually a smart move, because gold prices are more resistant to immediate change, for the same reason property is. You're basically criticizing, say, FDR for investing in government corporations while advocating for a strong federal government, or Al Gore for investing in the alternative energies while advocating for their use. That's the point.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38470907]what points are there to make? this is just a news story about a sad old man who somehow became an internet sensation while still remaining politically irrelevant giving up and trying to go out with a bang[/QUOTE] Point 1: [QUOTE=Lachz0r;38470907]this is just a news story about a sad old man who somehow became an internet sensation[/QUOTE] Point 2: [QUOTE=Lachz0r;38470907]while still remaining politically irrelevant[/QUOTE] Point 3: [QUOTE=Lachz0r;38470907]giving up and trying to go out with a bang[/QUOTE] You're making arguments without even realizing it. Either that or you think everything you just said is undisputed common knowledge and doesn't need to be supported by evidence. Both options are just sad, by the way.
[QUOTE=dialogical;38470947]Point 1: Point 2: Point 3: You're making arguments without even realizing it. Either that or you think everything you just said is undisputed common knowledge and doesn't need to be supported by evidence. Both options are just sad, by the way.[/QUOTE] wait so i AM making points? and yeah i do think it is common knowledge, he's like 100 years old, he got like 100 votes, he WAS an internet sensation and he's in love with the constitution so clearly if he thinks it's failed he'd be sad! [editline]16th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];38470917']Maybe because it's an intelligent thing to do? Putting your money where your mouth is isn't a bad thing, last I knew. Investing into something you think people should invest into. The economic model of using a gold standard has good ground behind it, and if we did use a standard we would see a more resilient currency and a populace with a tangible reason to have faith in the market and would be willing to invest in the private sector as well as with their own government. It's a fair free market strategy. Obviously gold has no real value besides what we attach to it, but neither does the trillions of intangible, never-really-existing virtual dollars we trade. It gives people peace of mind, and that's worth it in a free capitalist market. And buying stocks in gold is actually a smart move, because gold prices are more resistant to immediate change, for the same reason property is. You're basically criticizing, say, FDR for investing in government corporations while advocating for a strong federal government, or Al Gore for investing in the alternative energies while advocating for their use. That's the point.[/QUOTE] well maybe i'm just a cynic in that i feel he supports the gold standard because of his stocks rather than his stocks because of the gold standard
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];38470917']The economic model of using a gold standard has good ground behind it,[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/197460/emot-siren.gif[/IMG][B][I]HOLD THE FUCK UP, GOTTA DEFUSE A BIG OLE' STUPID BOMB[/I][/B][IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/197460/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] [URL="http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_cw1nNUYOXSAKwrq"]Literally 0 published empirical economists support the gold standard[/URL] and [URL="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/why-the-gold-standard-is-the-worlds-worst-economic-idea-in-2-charts/261552/"]no economic science supports the use of it.[/URL] It amplifies policy decisions so prominently that even [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fNfUscKPC5g#t=190s"]Milton Friedman[/URL] and [URL="http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11482.pdf"]Bernanke[/URL] agree on that point. [URL="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/golden-instability/"]No gold standard has ever had stable prices[/URL], [URL="http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/goldbug.html"]basic economics tells you that under a gold standard prices [I]must,[/I] by [I]definition,[/I] be unstable.[/URL] If you state the gold standard is a good idea, you are one of three things: -A liar -An imbecile -All of the above Since only demonstrating why someone is a lying imbecile is a bit prickish, I'll freely reeducate you (or Ron Paul, for that matter) via PM if you care to pull your head out your ass. [SUB]Whew, that was a close one.[/SUB]
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