Marine who urinated on dead Taliban sentenced to 30 days in jail
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[QUOTE=Mike42012;38918003]In that case you were threatened, and according to you, 'they shot first' and so it's pretty much justified if we are going off on your post.
What isn't fine is going into combat with the mentality that you are completely fine with killing people. Not just killing people in the defense of you or your comrades, but killing people in general.
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Wow, you actually thought that I have the mentality that killing people willy nilly is OK? Shit man, that is NOT how I think. I am fine with killing our enemies, no problem at all. What, you think that I was going all "hurr durr kill everyone"? No, that is not what I think at all. Enemies man, no problem killing any enemy we have. Wow. I can't believe you actually thought that. Damn.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38915616]Your core values are killing people. You realise that right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38915662]Yep. And I have no problem with it.[/QUOTE]
[editline]21st December 2012[/editline]
And no, I didn't think you were running around, murdering everything that walked, however, I did presume that you were fine with the aspect of killing people. Even in self-defense, the aspect of killing people should seem offensive, however, one of the prime evaluations for a mental problem is the evaluation of the subject's reaction to the subject of killing in the first place.
[QUOTE=Face Melter;38914495]I'm glad it wasn't too severe a sentence. They deal with alot of shit over there and having to come home only to serve years in prison would suuuuck.[/QUOTE]Yeah, he only cost a few of his friends and co-workers their lives. Why hold him accountable for that?
[QUOTE=Lemonator;38916719]shit probably happens every day but this is one of the few times some pussy in the squad snitched someone out for it[/QUOTE]
idk if its just me but i want my military to not consist of a bunch of unhinged chain-gangs who piss on corpses and scorn people for snitching
Yes, killing the[U] enemies of the United States of America[/U]. It is even in the Soldier's Creed and it is part of the oath I swore when becoming a Soldier, to defend us against enemies, both foreign and domestic. Not "I am perfectly OK with slaughtering hundreds." Quite the leap you made with me saying that I am OK with killing people and you jumping to "Oh he must mean he will kill literally everyone." Shit, it is like you never heard of training or ROE.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918218]Wow, you actually thought that I have the mentality that killing people willy nilly is OK? Shit man, that is NOT how I think. I am fine with killing our enemies, no problem at all. What, you think that I was going all "hurr durr kill everyone"? No, that is not what I think at all. Enemies man, no problem killing any enemy we have. Wow. I can't believe you actually thought that. Damn.[/QUOTE]God damn, you're so naive, it's cute that you're actually in the military.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38918293][editline]21st December 2012[/editline]
And no, I didn't think you were running around, murdering everything that walked, however, I did presume that you were fine with the aspect of killing people. Even in self-defense, the aspect of killing people should seem offensive, however, one of the prime evaluations for a mental problem is the evaluation of the subject's reaction to the subject of killing in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I find this hilarious. Fuck the Taliban, I have no sympathy for them. They can all die for I care. It is them killing innocent civilians and my buddies, or us killing them. I have no problem killing our enemies. If I did, then I would not be a soldier. Like I said, they issued me a rifle to defend myself, not grow petunias.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38914530]You should atone for your crimes to the full extent, regardless of whether or not you are serving your country's agenda.
Rating dumb isn't a response, man the fuck up and hit reply.[/QUOTE]
I can't hit reply
I'll go to jail for domestic violence
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918347]Yes, killing the[U] enemies of the United States of America[/U]. It is even in the Soldier's Creed and it is part of the oath I swore when becoming a Soldier, to defend us against enemies, both foreign and domestic. Not "I am perfectly OK with slaughtering hundreds." Quite the leap you made with me saying that I am OK with killing people and you jumping to "Oh he must mean he will kill literally everyone." Shit, it is like you never heard of training or ROE.[/QUOTE]
you might be forced to not question it because you are part of an institution, but we dont have that obligation dude
no it doesnt change anything for me to say they're "enemies of the united states", it's still killing people
[QUOTE=thisispain;38918338]idk if its just me but i want my military to not consist of a bunch of unhinged chain-gangs who piss on corpses and scorn people for snitching[/QUOTE]
I would post about vocal minorities if I thought you would bother to read it before posting again. However, I'm fairly sure you wouldn't.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918383]I would post about vocal minorities if I thought you would bother to read it before posting again. However, I'm fairly sure you wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
thanks for elevating the conversation dude, why dont you just call me narcoleptic and be on your way
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918371]I find this hilarious. Fuck the Taliban, I have no sympathy for them. They can all die for I care. It is them killing innocent civilians and my buddies, or us killing them. I have no problem killing our enemies. If I did, then I would not be a soldier. Like I said, they issued me a rifle to defend myself, not grow petunias.[/QUOTE]
why are you taking place in a conflict that the US has no legitimate place in though and has oversaturated the defense budget ??
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918371]I find this hilarious. Fuck the Taliban, I have no sympathy for them. They can all die for I care. It is them killing innocent civilians and my buddies, or us killing them. I have no problem killing our enemies. If I did, then I would not be a soldier. Like I said, they issued me a rifle to defend myself, not grow petunias.[/QUOTE]Except you're part of the US Military, a military that kills children all the time and covers up their deaths, that uses flying drones to kill people from miles away, and in pretty much every way is considered way worse than the taliban in most of these areas you are 'defending us' from. The kind of mentality that these people are just your enemy, so it's perfectly fine to want them to die even though you're both just pawns in the same game. Seriously, the US militarists are just as evil and blood-thirsty as the enemy.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38915616]Your core values are killing people. You realise that right?[/QUOTE]
Sorry but I gotta say this isn't any worse than flat-out ad hominem. Unless his name is Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot, his core values aren't killing anyone. He's already explicitly said that the Marine who did this deserved his punishment and was in the wrong for what he did too so I don't know what more you want.
As for the original topic; I think the Marine should get a DD. If they were fighting a uniformed military it would be a war crime and he'd essentially be looked upon as a convicted felon for the rest of his life.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;38918409]why are you taking place in a conflict that the US has no legitimate place in though that's oversaturated the defense budget[/QUOTE]
Because I got deployment orders.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918347]Yes, killing the[U] enemies of the United States of America[/U]. It is even in the Soldier's Creed and it is part of the oath I swore when becoming a Soldier, to defend us against enemies, both foreign and domestic. Not "I am perfectly OK with slaughtering hundreds." Quite the leap you made with me saying that I am OK with killing people and you jumping to "Oh he must mean he will kill literally everyone." Shit, it is like you never heard of training or ROE.[/QUOTE]
You are so fucking hilariously naive. Like I almost feel bad for you.
You're a volunteer slave. No doubt. You will murder whomever your government, who has a long history of fucked up and terrible decisions, tells you to.
You're fine with killing your enemies and that's the first step.
I want you to say to your fucking self in the mirror five times:
"I am willing to kill another human being, regardless of their history, family, hopes, dreams, fears, things that make them another human being based entirely on what my government who has a long history of poor decisions in this field tells me. I will kill men, women, children, infants, regardless of what or who they are simply because my government has classified them as "Enemies of the United States"
Go say that to yourself and come back to us.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;38918417]Except you're part of the US Military, a military that kills children all the time and covers up their deaths, that uses flying drones to kill people from miles away, and in pretty much every way is considered way worse than the taliban in most of these areas you are 'defending us' from. The kind of mentality that these people are just your enemy, so it's perfectly fine to want them to die even though you're both just pawns in the same game. Seriously, the US militarists are just as evil and blood-thirsty as the enemy.[/QUOTE]
Uhh... Obviously the US military has its fair share of institutional problems and ethical failings, but to say they're worse than the Taliban is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38918420]Sorry but I gotta say this isn't any worse than flat-out ad hominem. Unless his name is Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot, his core values aren't killing anyone. He's already explicitly said that the Marine who did this deserved his punishment and was in the wrong for what he did too so I don't know what more you want.
As for the original topic; I think the Marine should get a DD. If they were fighting a uniformed military it would be a war crime and he'd essentially be looked upon as a convicted felon for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
This was a good thing for the US Military though, why would he be punished for something his superiors commend him for? Events like killing children, double-tap drone strikes, urinating on corpses are good because they result in perpetual war. Do people still not get that this is the real goal of all this bullshit interventionism?
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918441]Because I got deployment orders.[/QUOTE]
let's replace "US army" with "halliburton" for a second
you wouldn't have those orders if you didn't sign up
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38918441]Because I got deployment orders.[/QUOTE]
Here's a better question. Why are you making a big deal of the fact that you're in the military on a forum full of people who, despite having no proof besides what their favored biased news source tells them, are completely convinced the US Military is evil and eats babies and that the Taliban and all the other rebels are like the Ewoks and their cohorts from Starwars? It's just a recipe for trouble.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918467]Here's a better question. Why are you making a big deal of the fact that you're in the military on a forum full of people who, despite having no proof besides what their favored biased news source tells them, are completely convinced the US Military is evil and eats babies and that the Taliban and all the other rebels are like the Ewoks and their cohorts from Starwars? It's just a recipe for trouble.[/QUOTE]
because the US has no place in the middle east or afganistan
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918467]Here's a better question. Why are you making a big deal of the fact that you're in the military on a forum full of people who, despite having no proof besides what their favored biased news source tells them, are completely convinced the US Military is evil and eats babies and that the Taliban and all the other rebels are like the Ewoks and their cohorts from Starwars? It's just a recipe for trouble.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, us and our biased news sources. CNN and MSNBC and FOX NEWS are the guys who really tell it like it is.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918467]Here's a better question. Why are you making a big deal of the fact that you're in the military on a forum full of people who, despite having no proof besides what their favored biased news source tells them, are completely convinced the US Military is evil and eats babies and that the Taliban and all the other rebels are like the Ewoks and their cohorts from Starwars? It's just a recipe for trouble.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the ignorant as fuck post, we'll all take it into consideration. Your star wars reference really opened my eyes.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;38918478]because the US has no place in the middle east or afganistan[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to argue the point. My point is he should just keep his mouth shut, because every time he opens it, he's going to get flamed by people who have precious little idea what they're talking about and are just hopping on the hatewagon.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918494]I'm not going to argue the point. My point is he should just keep his mouth shut, because every time he opens it, he's going to get flamed by people who have precious little idea what they're talking about and are just hopping on the hatewagon.[/QUOTE]
this doesn't help the discussion at all dude
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918467]Here's a better question. Why are you making a big deal of the fact that you're in the military on a forum full of people who, despite having no proof besides what their favored biased news source tells them, are completely convinced the US Military is evil and eats babies and that the Taliban and all the other rebels are like the Ewoks and their cohorts from Starwars? It's just a recipe for trouble.[/QUOTE]
As a former serviceman myself, I've actually yet to experience that. Probably because most of the people here have no clue I'm a naturalized citizen.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;38918494]I'm not going to argue the point. My point is he should just keep his mouth shut, because every time he opens it, he's going to get flamed by people who have precious little idea what they're talking about and are just hopping on the hatewagon.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're right, there's literally no reason why anyone should have a problem with the military, its involvement in foreign countries or SKEEA and we're all just making it up.
gigs up guys, we should give up, strongbad and his WACKY AND CRAZY avatar exposed us.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;38918497]this doesn't help the discussion at all dude[/QUOTE]
You call two pages of people ganging up on one guy and flaming the fuck out of him because he's in the military a discussion?
[QUOTE=Ybbats;38918451]This was a good thing for the US Military though, why would he be punished for something his superiors commend him for? Events like killing children, double-tap drone strikes, urinating on corpses are good because they result in perpetual war. Do people still not get that this is the real goal of all this bullshit interventionism?[/QUOTE]
Your superior officers won't commend you for killing children. What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38918444]You are so fucking hilariously naive. Like I almost feel bad for you.
You're a volunteer slave. No doubt. You will murder whomever your government, who has a long history of fucked up and terrible decisions, tells you to.
You're fine with killing your enemies and that's the first step.
I want you to say to your fucking self in the mirror five times:
"I am willing to kill another human being, regardless of their history, family, hopes, dreams, fears, things that make them another human being based entirely on what my government who has a long history of poor decisions in this field tells me. I will kill men, women, children, infants, regardless of what or who they are simply because my government has classified them as "Enemies of the United States"
Go say that to yourself and come back to us.[/QUOTE]
If you want to go live in a demilitarized country like Palau, be my guest.
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