• EU looks to step up migrant deportation
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;47356904]I wonder if they're still going to criticise Switzerland's immigration policies as harshly after this. Italy's certainly taking the bulk of the immigrants so I guess I can see why they would complain. By comparison other European countries see much less immigration coming from crisis zones.[/QUOTE] Why, are Switzerland's immigration laws tough? Id imagine you get a lot of people visiting from Europe but I wouldn't imagine they would stay that long, especially with the price of goods in Switzerland.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47355802]The entire EU is swinging right. I don't like it one bit. And if Harper stays in office much longer, Canada's heading that way as well.[/QUOTE] I don't really see what's all that right-wing about cracking down harder on illegal immigration. I'd say that Europe is still mostly middle-left, but the increasing amount of immigration from non European countries can't just go by ignored either.
Take that immigrants, looking for a new home and trying to find a prosperous life in Europe! Whites only! (Unless you're Slavic, than you go home too, doesn't matter if you're EU)
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47357197]Take that immigrants, looking for a new home and trying to find a prosperous life in Europe! Whites only! (Unless you're Slavic, than you go home too, doesn't matter if you're EU)[/QUOTE] Nice job reading the article and/or comprehending the subject matter! I understand, you just couldn't resist throwing out an epic "antiracist zinger" at the sight of the sensationalist title? Actually reading and processing subject material is very hard!
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47357197]Take that immigrants, looking for a new home and trying to find a prosperous life in Europe! Whites only! (Unless you're Slavic, than you go home too, doesn't matter if you're EU)[/QUOTE] Wow gotta say its pretty intolerant of you to just assume that we don't want these people just because there black. You knows there's more to people than skin colour right?
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;47356577]You cant just blame the entire future of a country by the actions of another, look at Ireland we were one of the very first colonies and we didn't turn into a shithole (with the exemption of Dublin)[/QUOTE] Between 1169 and 2000 there's been 24 multi-generational wars and 267+ individual battles in Ireland. Between the "high points" of colonization between 1530 and 1670, there was often anywhere between 2-10 battles happening every year. It would be unusual for a single year to go by without some complete bloodbath happening somewhere on the island While Ireland has turned out (mostly) fine now, some 900 years after the first colonization and plantations by the first norman warlords, ireland has been among the most, if not *the* most costly and damaging colonization in human history in terms of cost of human lives, and sheer anthropological damage. Give africa and the middle east another 300-500 years to sort out their internal instability and then we'll see how they are doing for comparison.
[QUOTE=Qbe-tex;47357286]Are you not aware that colonization is probably the reason the continent is, in your lovely words, a "shithole"? They're not cases like America where it was a colony, but also a place of opportunity. African colonies existed nearly for the sole porpuse of resource exploration and that's it. There were barely no investments in african colonies aside from mines and oil wells (check nearly any colony in 20th century). Africa wasn't the only continent with this problem, but it was the most noticeable one. Colonies like Angola are absolute trash, because they were never given a chance to develop until very recently (around the 70's-90's). Lastly, how could you know that Africa would be shit, with or without Europe. Can you say for sure that Africa wouldn't have had the resources to develop? Even if it didn't, it is 100% clear that european colonialism was and still is why african countries are still so under developed.[/QUOTE] Refer to above arguments then post a new comment. [editline]19th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;47357310]Between 1169 and 2000 there's been 24 multi-generational wars and 267+ individual battles in Ireland. Between the "high points" of colonization between 1530 and 1670, there was often anywhere between 2-10 battles happening every year. It would be unusual for a single year to go by without some complete bloodbath happening somewhere on the island While Ireland has turned out (mostly) fine now, some 900 years after the first colonization and plantations by the first norman warlords, ireland has been among the most, if not *the* most costly and damaging colonization in human history in terms of cost of human lives, and sheer anthropological damage. Give africa and the middle east another 300-500 years to sort out their internal instability and then we'll see how they are doing for comparison.[/QUOTE] 300 - 500 years is too much time
[QUOTE=Qbe-tex;47357365]Didn't see the above comment, please ignore the post. Otherwise, I did not know about the african kingdoms basically killing themselfs, glad I learned something knew. However I still think that europeans kinda fucked up the place more than it already was, but with that information in hand you truly can't really just blame the europeans then.[/QUOTE] Because the African kingdoms slave trading was almost nothing until the Europeans came along. His assertion that they were somehow already destroying Africa is simply untrue.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;47355992]But Poland, what will you guys do when the Africans take all the Jobs no one wants?[/QUOTE] steal a couple thousand more BMW's I guess
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47357197]Take that immigrants, looking for a new home and trying to find a prosperous life in Europe! Whites only! (Unless you're Slavic, than you go home too, doesn't matter if you're EU)[/QUOTE] Uh, if you're an illegal immigrant from the US I'm sure you'll be kicked out too regardless.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;47357500]Uh, if you're an illegal immigrant from the US I'm sure you'll be kicked out too regardless.[/QUOTE] You have to climb over the wall first, though.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;47357447]Because the African kingdoms slave trading was almost nothing until the Europeans came along. His assertion that they were somehow already destroying Africa is simply untrue.[/QUOTE] Stop making up facts!
Honestly i'm split over this decision, while on the human side i'd accept everyone running from war scenarios or plain poor countries i know that if it's not regulated may create problems( not speaking about criminality, but more along the sheer volume of money and logistic involved). We will see how this will turn out. Beside Italians have had quite their fair share of migration in the years, so i can understand better why they would do that. Sometimes people just want the best for their childrens and family's future. [editline]20th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47357197]Take that immigrants, looking for a new home and trying to find a prosperous life in Europe! Whites only! (Unless you're Slavic, than you go home too, doesn't matter if you're EU)[/QUOTE] Because your country accepts everyone without control.
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;47357918]Honestly i'm split over this decision, while on the human side i'd accept everyone running from war scenarios or plain poor countries i know that if it's not regulated may create problems( not speaking about criminality, but more along the sheer volume of money and logistic involved). We will see how this will turn out. Beside Italians have had quite their fair share of migration in the years, so i can understand better why they would do that. Sometimes people just want the best for their childrens and family's future. [editline]20th March 2015[/editline] Because your country accepts everyone without control.[/QUOTE] Then the solution is to fix the problem not accommodate it.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;47357947]Then the solution is to fix the problem not accommodate it.[/QUOTE] Sometimes things can't be solved that simply. A solution has to be found, but with meditation. Honestly this problem could turn into a bomb if taken the wrong way.
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;47357972]Sometimes things can't be solved that simply. A solution has to be found, but with meditation. Honestly this problem could turn into a bomb if taken the wrong way.[/QUOTE] Decisive action that wont be taken by any country is needed because quite simply its cheaper and less hassle to just ignore the problem.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47355802]The entire EU is swinging right. I don't like it one bit. And if Harper stays in office much longer, Canada's heading that way as well.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what yours or anyone's problem is with this. They are entering the country illegally, they are breaking the law. They should be punished. Why does anyone see any issues with this? Just because they are immigrants from a poorer country? So suddenly the law doesn't apply to them? If i was to immigrate illegally to the US from the UK i would be kicked out as well, and i'm white too (not that should make a difference). This doesn't mean Europe is leaning right.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;47358012]Decisive action that wont be taken by any country is needed because quite simply its cheaper and less hassle to just ignore the problem.[/QUOTE] Is it? I don't see such a gain coming from the countries ignoring illegal immigration.
[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;47358083]Is it? I don't see such a gain coming from the countries ignoring illegal immigration.[/QUOTE] Cheaper than what's required to fix it.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;47356904] Italy's certainly taking the bulk of the immigrants so I guess I can see why they would complain. By comparison other European countries see much less immigration coming from crisis zones.[/QUOTE] Every city I went to had crowds of Africans stalking people so they can buy useless junk like cheap umbrellas, roadside gift shop quality trinkets, and enough overproduced shit that even China would be embarrassed of. When we were in Rome, it started raining pretty hard and we went into a restaurant. A family stood up to leave and when they did, a whole horde of the Africans stood there watching them like a pack of vultures with a creepy grin on their face that looked somewhat like this. [img]http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTA0OTg4NDUxMDBeQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU3MDIxODA1OTc@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Hellsten;47355935]EU isn't swinging either left or right. It is swinging forward.[/QUOTE] Racism isn't forward
[QUOTE=adamsz;47358148]Every city I went to had crowds of Africans stalking people so they can buy useless junk like cheap umbrellas, roadside gift shop quality trinkets, and enough overproduced shit that even China would be embarrassed of. When we were in Rome, it started raining pretty hard and we went into a restaurant. A family stood up to leave and when they did, a whole horde of the Africans stood there watching them like a pack of vultures with a creepy grin on their face that looked somewhat like this. [img]http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTA0OTg4NDUxMDBeQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU3MDIxODA1OTc@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] this is a well thought out and constructed opinion and justifies asylum-seeker deportation
[QUOTE=mokkan;47358224]Racism isn't forward[/QUOTE] Taking action on those who break the law isn't racism.
[QUOTE=DuCT;47359033]Taking action on those who break the law isn't racism.[/QUOTE] While I agree with you, try to not argue from a positivist perspective of the law or rather dura lex sed lex as it can be totally warped....
[QUOTE=DuCT;47359033]Taking action on those who break the law isn't racism.[/QUOTE] If asylum seeking is illegal then the country has way bigger problems than people breaking the law tbh
[QUOTE=mokkan;47359865]If asylum seeking is illegal then the country has way bigger problems than people breaking the law tbh[/QUOTE] Where is asylum seeking illegal? I'm not defending Hellsten's assertion, but where did you get that from?
[quote]BRUSSELS — The European Union is looking to step up the deportation of migrants as part of a drive to counter the impression that asylum-seekers will enjoy a good life once they make it to Europe.[/quote] [QUOTE=DuCT;47359033]Taking action on those who break the law isn't racism.[/QUOTE] The only way duct and these laws aren't racist is if asylum seeking is illegal. If it is then that's complete bullshit and there's pretty much no reason to support them other than racism. If it is legal then he's extremely racist, he's implying all imigrants break the law.
[QUOTE=mokkan;47359954]The only way duct and these laws aren't racist is if asylum seeking is illegal. If it is then that's complete bullshit and there's pretty much no reason to support them other than racism. If it is legal then he's extremely racist, he's implying all imigrants break the law.[/QUOTE] Can you disagree with the law in any other way than saying racism? If so then you may have a valid point, as is you don't know shit.
[QUOTE=mokkan;47359954]The only way duct and these laws aren't racist is if asylum seeking is illegal. If it is then that's complete bullshit and there's pretty much no reason to support them other than racism. If it is legal then he's extremely racist, he's implying all imigrants break the law.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously this dense, or did your mind turn into full defense mode when you saw the sensationalist title and/or reading just the first sentence of the article? Where is he saying ANY of this stuff you are insinuating?
[QUOTE=mokkan;47359954]The only way duct and these laws aren't racist is if asylum seeking is illegal. If it is then that's complete bullshit and there's pretty much no reason to support them other than racism. If it is legal then he's extremely racist, he's implying all imigrants break the law.[/QUOTE] I don't really get it (I'm a bit confused by the wording of the article in that sentence, though)? They're going to deport people if they're not applicable for asylum to a larger degree than before (partly to make illegal immigration less attractive)? How is that racist (though I agree that the motivations could be racist, but in principle they don't have to be)? As I read it, they're just going to make more of an effort actually deporting these people, they haven't changed the asylum rules or anything like that. Whether you think these people should be allowed into Europe or not, the law says that people that fail to gain asylum or citizenship should be deported, and there really aren't two ways about that.
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