• First FemThor, now Captain African-America: Marvel's to repalce Steve Rogers with new, black Captain
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You guys realize that there is no problem doing this except for the inherent problem that they're just fucking pandering? They're just doing this to seem more politically correct and whether the new characters are good or bad is irrelevant. If they legitimately gave a reason for this besides "uhh we felt like it" then yeah, maybe people wouldn't bitch as much. They can do whatever the fuck they want with their characters, all people are asking for is a bit more communication as to WHY.
[QUOTE=NOR_92;45417113]OH GOD NO, not the poor filth![/QUOTE] What are you even trying to do here? [QUOTE=Scot;45417129]I like how there is absolutely no winning with this sort of thing these days. Create a straight white male character and you're cis scum. Create a black/female/LGBT character and you're pandering to SJWs.[/QUOTE] Except they haven't created one but changed an already established one. That's the people's problem with it.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417170]Except they haven't created one but changed an already established one. That's the people's problem with it.[/QUOTE] Technically they are creating a new character by doing that.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45416872]When the comic industry doesn't change people complain because it never changes. When the comic industry does change people complain because it changed. You all need to fucking shut it for a second and at least [I]try[/I] to appreciate the effort. Who knows, you may actually like it.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with this change (though I don't really understand why comics have a bazillion parallel universes where the heroes are different). Female Thor on the other hand is pretty ridiculous.
I liked the Thor change, the idea that anybody worthy of the hammer could be Thor, it sort of fits the Canon.
[QUOTE=MrHeadHopper;45417150] If they legitimately gave a reason for this besides "uhh we felt like it" then yeah, maybe people wouldn't bitch as much. They can do whatever the fuck they want with their characters, all people are asking for is a bit more communication as to WHY.[/QUOTE] How do they give a reason? The guy that takes over his place is still a character in the Marvel universe. He was introduced like 40 years ago. They didn't magically introduce him to make him take over the original Captain America's spot. I'm guessing there's some plot that leads up to that point, which you may find out if you read the comics.
It'll probably be better than when Bucky was Captain America. At least this way it's just a title, unlike the character's given name. Why did it have to be an existing character though? It isn't exactly progressive to take an existing character and give them another character's costume. At least new Thor is a new character and she'll probably get a new persona once old Thor comes back.
oh hey more dumbs from people who don't even read comics :v:
[QUOTE=Swebonny;45417197]How do they give a reason? The guy that takes over his place is still a character in the Marvel universe. He was introduced like 40 years ago. They didn't magically introduce him to make him take over the original Captain America's spot. I'm guessing there's some plot that leads up to that point, which you may find out if you read the comics.[/QUOTE] Well they're doing at thing where Thor, Cap, and Iron Man are all replaced for some reason, and they said Thor is no longer able to wield Mjolnir. So I imagine something fucked up is going to happen involving those three. [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] This is going to be the "Doctor Octopus takes over Spiderman's body" thing where everyone hates it before it happens but then they're cool with it once they see the story is actually pretty good.
[QUOTE=Scot;45417177]Technically they are creating a new character by doing that.[/QUOTE] New character as in, this new character is going to be pretty much like that other hero we've had before but it's not going to be a straight white male this time.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;45416925]Next up: Spiderman decides to come out of the closet as a transexual[/QUOTE] You mean he comes out as a Spider-kin, shitlord [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/mad.gif[/IMG] None of the other marvel characters know what it's like to truly be a spider [I]inside[/I]
Someone in the MCU thread came up with a plausible explanation for many of these recent changes: [quote=Someone]I think a big reason of changing the people behind the masks is to introduce this idea of superheroes not being stuck to one single identity. So when the time inevitably comes that Chris Hemsworth doesn't want to be Thor they can bring in a new character to take the mantle of Thor without Marvel fanboys going "YOU CAN'T DO THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS IN THE COMIC". It even lets them bring a woman to lead one of the biggest Super Hero franchises. Got no female superheroes with the potential to be an as popular film as a male one? No problem- make male super hero a female super hero when the actor leaves. It allows Marvel to start approaching recasts in the Doctor Who fashion as opposed to the James Bond fashion. You don't have to replace RDJ as Tony Stark. Tony Stark played by RDJ can still exist alongside a new Iron Man even though you don't necessarily see him. You can still call the film Iron Man as Iron Man is still in it. Heck one day decades from now you can even make a Iron Man Anniversary movie involving every Iron Man ever and it's still canon.[/quote] It could also just be a new gimmick to draw sales, or maybe even a little of both.
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;45416995]Captain Africa better be able to jump really high at least[/QUOTE] Very clever joke! Ha ha! [QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417170] Except they haven't created one but changed an already established one. That's the people's problem with it.[/QUOTE] Why is it a problem, though? It's good to have a character change once in a while, otherwise they'll grow stale.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;45417221]Well they're doing at thing where Thor, Cap, and Iron Man are all replaced for some reason, and they said Thor is no longer able to wield Mjolnir. So I imagine something fucked up is going to happen involving those three. [/QUOTE] I haven't read it, but yeah it sounds like in the end they are still going to be "normal" again.
People get bent out of shape over this stuff too damn easily. Then everyone forgets about it in a year or two and it's like nothing happened. In issue #87 in 1963 people were upset when Peter Parker asked Hobie Brown to cover for him as Spider Man for a while. Skip forward a few years, almost nobody knows who Hobie Brown even is.
Hey, this sounds awesome. Black Captain America sounds fucking amazing.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417170]What are you even trying to do here? Except they haven't created one but changed an already established one. That's the people's problem with it.[/QUOTE] Dude, they've done whackier stuff with their story lines. If it goes to shit, they just establish a new dimension where everything's back to normal. Getting worked up over changes in DC and Marvel comics is ridiculous because they constantly change and reset shit.
[QUOTE=erfinjerfin;45417262]Why is it a problem, though? It's good to have a character change once in a while, otherwise they'll grow stale.[/QUOTE] Because people get attached to their fav characters and don't want to see them replaced. I can understand people who dislike this because I wouldn't like it if the main character of some series that I'm watching would be replaced by a female version of said character. If heisenberg would be replaced by heisenberga at the start of season 4, I'd dislike the change, regardless of the season being good or not.
[QUOTE=Paramud;45416894]The Social Justice League.[/QUOTE] They'll still find a way to be offended [img]http://i.imgur.com/UslTMzG.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=NOR_92;45417307]Dude, they've done whackier stuff with their story lines. If it goes to shit, they just establish a new dimension where everything's back to normal. Getting worked up over changes in DC and Marvel comics is ridiculous because they constantly change and reset shit.[/QUOTE] What do you mean worked up? You think I'm all angry now biting on my nails and sweating uncontrollably or something? If they create some "whacky" story line or dimension, some people will not like it, becase would rather get more of the stuff they were getting before, that's it.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;45417320][img]http://i.imgur.com/UslTMzG.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Wow that last panel is hilarious considering how the Flash's mom was murdered when he was only a child.
[QUOTE=Fort83;45417318]Why not just create a new hero called Captain Canada and make him black[/QUOTE] Nobody will give a shit about him.
what does this change achieve are people sick of Thor and Captain America now or something
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417327]What do you mean worked up? You think I'm all angry now biting on my nails and sweating uncontrollably or something? If they create some "whacky" story line or dimension, some people will not like it, becase would rather get more of the stuff they were getting before, that's it.[/QUOTE] Oh I wasn't addressing that specifically to you - I'm just voicing my opinion against people who find gender bending and skin colour swapping preposterous in an industry that thrives on hundreds of parallel dimensions of crazy story writing.
[QUOTE=NOR_92;45417357]Oh I wasn't addressing that specifically to you - I'm just voicing my opinion against people who find gender bending and skin colour swapping preposterous in an industry that thrives on hundreds of parallel dimensions of crazy story writing.[/QUOTE] Again, it's because people get attached to their fav characters and don't want to see them replaced. I can understand people who dislike this because I wouldn't like it if the main character of some series that I'm watching would be replaced by a female version of said character. If heisenberg would be replaced by heisenberga (possibly with different personality) at the start of season 4, I'd dislike the change, regardless of the season being good or not.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417379]Again, it's because people get attached to their fav characters and don't want to see them replaced. I can understand people who dislike this because I wouldn't like it if the main character of some series that I'm watching would be replaced by a female version of said character. If heisenberg would be replaced by heisenberga (possibly with different personality) at the start of season 4, I'd dislike the change, regardless of the season being good or not.[/QUOTE] Breaking Bad and say, Superman, aren't comparable because there's only one universe in which the BB story line is canon. What happens in that singular chain of events is final. Comic books go on for decades, change constantly and reset themselves. This happens all the time and there are even, as I keep stressing, several story lines unfolding and going through this process independently of each other. They are completely fleeting and if something as superficial as a change of skin colour happens to one's favourite version of Spiderman, I think it's a bit silly to be pissy about it.
[QUOTE=NOR_92;45417436]Breaking Bad and say, Superman, aren't comparable because there's only one universe in which the BB story line is canon. What happens in that singular chain of events is final. Comic books go on for decades, change constantly and reset themselves. This happens all the time and there are even, as I keep stressing, several story lines unfolding and going through this process independently of each other. They are completely fleeting and if something as superficial as a change of skin colour happens to one's favourite version of Spiderman, I think it's a bit silly to be pissy about it.[/QUOTE] You're still missing the point. Even if there were multiple universes in which BB happens, people will grow attached to the characters and will probably dislike if one of the main characters is replaced, regardless of the story being good or not. People want to see more of their fav characters and so, they will dislike if their fav character is replaced. I don't think I can explain this more easily.
honestly if you're getting genuinely upset about the changes marvel are making then You've Probably Got Brain Problems i'd rather they make small changes here and there like this than leave the characters the same forever. plus it's pretty obvious they're making it so they have more options for the characters in their respective movies in the future. like if the actors decide they don't want to play the same characters any more they don't have to recast the same part, but can instead change over to one of the other characters instead of having to do what they did with the hulk and just change the actors and have everyone in the universe be like "lol yep they're the same person whatever" [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417379]Again, it's because people get attached to their fav characters and don't want to see them replaced. I can understand people who dislike this because I wouldn't like it if the main character of some series that I'm watching would be replaced by a female version of said character. If heisenberg would be replaced by heisenberga (possibly with different personality) at the start of season 4, I'd dislike the change, regardless of the season being good or not.[/QUOTE] yeah man we should just let media stagnate and never change anything because some people might not like it grow up lol
[QUOTE=HyperTails;45417352]what does this change achieve are people sick of Thor and Captain America now or something[/QUOTE] I think it's just echoes of the Death of Superman all those years ago. If a someone takes the helm of an important character, or a main character dies, it causes the press to take notice and the copies fly off the the shelves. Then the status quo is restored somewhere down the line and the cycle repeats.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45417481]You're still missing the point. Even if there were multiple universes in which BB happens, people will grow attached to the characters and will probably dislike if one of the main characters is replaced, regardless of the story being good or not. People want to see more of their fav characters and so, they will dislike if their fav character is replaced. I don't think I can explain this more easily.[/QUOTE] No, I'm directly addressing your point in my last sentence there.
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