Israel begins expulsion of Palestinian 'Infiltrators'
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[QUOTE=Chippay;21559398]congrats on being stupid as hell then[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, where have you been?
[QUOTE=Billiam;21559423]Holy shit, where have you been?[/QUOTE]
what do you mean?
[QUOTE=Chippay;21559456]what do you mean?[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen you post since forever :frown:
[QUOTE=Billiam;21559478]I haven't seen you post since forever :frown:[/QUOTE]
oh, well i've been spending less time on internet forums lately.
it's getting warmer out again.
except yesterday where it was fucking snowing.
i'm on steam friends a bit more if you want to talk
[QUOTE=Kalleo;21554438]Still, how can you be at war with terror?
It's like saying you're at war with boredom or anger.
Just saying.
And the best way to make someone stop hating you is not to try and treat them even worse.[/QUOTE]
the war on terror is a war on the act of terrorism and the benefactors of those who would commit terrorism, it is not a war on an emotion
stop using this stupid argument
can i get a death to isreal up in this bitch
no
Im to lazy to even read anymore Isreali crap put out by those fags.
It seems that they've already forgotten about the dangers of racism.
Abolishing Racism is a slow process, it took America long enough to treat Black people equally. Changing the law so they are completely equal still has everyone descriminating against them. Affirmative action doesn't work either because it's either too much or not enough. Either way it doesn't stop the rasist thinking people have.
The Law needs to change with the people; if everyone changes their views so they see them as equals. If Palestinians and Israelis were on better terms, things get better for both parties. Until relationships increase, these racist policies will be put in place.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;21558831]Haha that's funny because a solid portion of people in these threads refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist.[/QUOTE]
That brings up a good Question, why does Israel have the right to exist other then some non-existent god given right for the Jews to have the right waltz in and take the Land from the people simply because the Jews lived there during biblical times and built a few temples that aren't even still fucking standing, meanwhile, this whole bullshit 'WELL THE JEWS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN PALESTINE CONTINUOUSLY FOR LIKE FOREVER", this matters as if fuck all since the fact is the Muslims have always been the Majority in Palestine since the 12th fucking century with jews only accounting for 31% of the population of Palestine 3 fucking years before they declared the State of Israel with Arabs accounting for almost double that at 60%, with the Christians being the bigger Minority up to just 50 years before after being the largest Minority in Palestine for over a thousand Years
With Logic like this, you can say the Germans have a right to inhabit Poland despite it being inhabited by Poles as a Majority for centuries, Simply because the Germans have had a continuous population in Poland despite even the Russians having more of a population then them until about 50 years before hand.
Our local moronic genocide apologist, burnemdown, at it again folks.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdH0XxDEjG4&feature=related[/url]
Broseph, this video explains why Israel has the right to exist.
Also I'd like to add that no country has "the right to exist", it simply exists. What made it exist doesn't matter, do you think the Europeans thought the USA had the right to exist back in their early days? Do you think everyone agreed to all these countries popping out after WWI? Britain, France and Russia only agreed for Czechoslovakia and Poland for example to exist in order to weaken Germany, they didn't care about them.
In the other threads we've been through this, I don't know if anyone who's been there still thinks Israel has done "atrocities" and treated the Palestinians unfairly back from the 1880's to modern times.
And the thing is, what's done is done, you don't see any Jews still saying Germany owes us for the Holocaust or something, that they shouldn't exist. Also I find that pro-Israeli people rarely argue about bad things the Palestinians did in the past, I only go back there if the discussion moves there, the anti-Israeli guys argue more about these things, I guess because they run out of things to argue about.
that was the most historically inaccurate and obnoxious video i have seen in a long time
i have one better:
[url]http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm[/url]
these kids are obvious terrorists, right?
How about some evidence to your claim that the video is historically inaccurate?
Also that's a website, not a video, and I didn't say all people harmed by Israel are terrorists, especially not those specific children, so don't make it sound like I said it.
So, I skimmed over the title of the thread and I went "Wow, a thread about Israel. I wonder who the recent poster is, it couldn't possibly be BurnE-"
[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/amvejo.jpg[/img]
Pappa Israel would be proud.
Well excuse me for posting in a thread that is relevant to my interests.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21564274]How about some evidence to your claim that the video is historically inaccurate?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]There was no arab state or nation called "palestine in the middle east in 1948. or ever"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ernest A. Gross, a senior U.S. State Department legal adviser, authored a memorandum for the United States government titled Recognition of New States and Governments in Palestine, dated 11 May 1948. He expressed the view that "[B]The Arab [/B]and Jewish [U][B]communities will be legally entitled on May 15, 1948[/B][/U] (the date of expiry of the British Mandate) [U][B]to proclaim states[/B][/U] and [B]organize governments in the areas of [U]Palestine[/U] occupied by the respective communities.[/B]" Gross also said "the law of nations recognizes an inherent right of people lacking the agencies and institutions of social and political control to organize a state and operate a government."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Moshe Sharon writes that when the Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration before them, generally continued to be used. Hence, he traces the emergence of the Arabic form Filastin to this adoption, with Arabic inflection, of Roman and Hebrew (Semitic) names.[7] Jacob Lassner and Selwyn Ilan Troen offer a different view, writing that Jund Filastin, the full name for the administrative province under the rule of the Arab caliphates, was traced by Muslim geographers back to the Philistines of the Bible.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The Islamic prophet Muhammad established a new unified political polity in the Arabian peninsula at the beginning of the seventh century. The subsequent Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates saw a century of rapid expansion of Arab power well beyond the Arabian peninsula in the form of a vast Muslim Arab Empire. In the 630s this empire conquered Palestine and it remained under the control of Islamic Empires for most of the next 1300 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21565295]Well excuse me for posting in a thread that is relevant to my interests.[/QUOTE]
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Broseph, that's the silliest thing I've ever heard:
[QUOTE]Ernest A. Gross, a senior U.S. State Department legal adviser, authored a memorandum for the United States government titled Recognition of New States and Governments in Palestine, dated 11 May 1948. He expressed the view that "The Arab and Jewish communities will be legally entitled on May 15, 1948 (the date of expiry of the British Mandate) to proclaim states and organize governments in the areas of Palestine occupied by the respective communities." Gross also said "the law of nations recognizes an inherent right of people lacking the agencies and institutions of social and political control to organize a state and operate a government."[/QUOTE]
Just because they were legally entitled to declare a state doesn't mean they did, they refused to declare a state if the Jews also got a state of their own.
[QUOTE]Moshe Sharon writes that when the Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration before them, generally continued to be used. Hence, he traces the emergence of the Arabic form Filastin to this adoption, with Arabic inflection, of Roman and Hebrew (Semitic) names.[7] Jacob Lassner and Selwyn Ilan Troen offer a different view, writing that Jund Filastin, the full name for the administrative province under the rule of the Arab caliphates, was traced by Muslim geographers back to the Philistines of the Bible.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this has something to do with this but Palestine never was a country of it's own, When the Arabs were in charge it was just an area under their control, not an independent country or region. Palestine was the name of the area. And anyone who was called a "Palestinian" was called this way because he was simply from the area, he wasn't of a different nationality. An Arab living in Palestine was just like an Arab living in Syria or Egypt.
[QUOTE]The Islamic prophet Muhammad established a new unified political polity in the Arabian peninsula at the beginning of the seventh century. The subsequent Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates saw a century of rapid expansion of Arab power well beyond the Arabian peninsula in the form of a vast Muslim Arab Empire. In the 630s this empire conquered Palestine and it remained under the control of Islamic Empires for most of the next 1300 years.[/QUOTE]
Same thing as above, Palestine was just an area under Arabian control, that's like saying the eastern coast of north America was a country before 1776.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21564274]How about some evidence to your claim that the video is historically inaccurate?
Also that's a website, not a video, and I didn't say all people harmed by Israel are terrorists, especially not those specific children, so don't make it sound like I said it.[/QUOTE]
It's a biased, obnoxious 10 minute video. You really think I'm going to refute every ridiculous point it makes?
you have before, kid. Don't play that. You cry and complain about how everyone goes after Israel. Then you see these pictures, and all you can do is just downsize it.
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21565295]Well excuse me for posting in a thread that is relevant to my interests.[/QUOTE]
yes, we know, killing little brown people is just so much fun for you.
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21566042]Broseph, that's the silliest thing I've ever heard:
"Ernest A. Gross, a senior U.S. State Department legal adviser, authored a memorandum for the United States government titled Recognition of New States and Governments in Palestine, dated 11 May 1948. He expressed the view that "The Arab and Jewish communities will be legally entitled on May 15, 1948 (the date of expiry of the British Mandate) to proclaim states and organize governments in the areas of Palestine occupied by the respective communities." Gross also said "the law of nations recognizes an inherent right of people lacking the agencies and institutions of social and political control to organize a state and operate a government.""
Just because they were legally entitled to declare a state doesn't mean they did, they refused to declare a state if the Jews also got a state of their own.
"Moshe Sharon writes that when the Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration before them, generally continued to be used. Hence, he traces the emergence of the Arabic form Filastin to this adoption, with Arabic inflection, of Roman and Hebrew (Semitic) names.[7] Jacob Lassner and Selwyn Ilan Troen offer a different view, writing that Jund Filastin, the full name for the administrative province under the rule of the Arab caliphates, was traced by Muslim geographers back to the Philistines of the Bible."
I don't see how this has something to do with this but Palestine never was a country of it's own, When the Arabs were in charge it was just an area under their control, not an independent country or region. Palestine was the name of the area. And anyone who was called a "Palestinian" was called this way because he was simply from the area, he wasn't of a different nationality. An Arab living in Palestine was just like an Arab living in Syria or Egypt.
"The Islamic prophet Muhammad established a new unified political polity in the Arabian peninsula at the beginning of the seventh century. The subsequent Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates saw a century of rapid expansion of Arab power well beyond the Arabian peninsula in the form of a vast Muslim Arab Empire. In the 630s this empire conquered Palestine and it remained under the control of Islamic Empires for most of the next 1300 years."
Same thing as above, Palestine was just an area under Arabian control, that's like saying the eastern coast of north America was a country before 1776.[/QUOTE]
i have a theory, burnemdown doesn't use quote tags for a reason. He want's to act like his posts have substance.
as well, i've said it before, and it's still true. About 2% of his posts make sense. Trying to decipher through the copy/pastes, ambiguous claims, straw-men arguments, complete deviations from the actual topic etc.
staying on course is not your strong point, is it?
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what's ironic is in all that substance, none of it is relevant sources.
I didn't use quotes because your post is made of quotes.
The funny thing is, that you don't try and prove me wrong, you just say stuff "oh he's trying to make what he says look bigger so that makes him wrong", the truth is everything I said is correct, and you can't prove me wrong so you're using troll tactics and moving the discussion to a flame war.
And I don't see the point in saying "yes, we know, killing little brown people is just so much fun for you.", is it so wrong that I post here? Because you're posting here too, pal.
To be fair BurnEmDown, you're post style is rather painful to read.
It doesn't help with your argument.
And if you don't feel like refuting every "ridiculous" point the video make, why not just 3 or 5? You just know you can't do it so you're saying "well it's too much work" if it's too much work for you my argument still stands and anyone with a clear mind will see that I "won" the argument.
For example in the Israel - Palestine discussion thread, starpluck made a big post with plenty of sources, I didn't say "well it's too big so I'll just ignore it", I took my time and responded to his post, which I'm now waiting for him to do with mine.
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NoDachi, if you can point out what's wrong with the way I post I'll try to make it better.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21566686]NoDachi, if you can point out what's wrong with the way I post I'll try to make it better.[/QUOTE]
Put whatever has been already said by someone else in quotes, it makes it easier to see what the point you are trying to make is and what you are refuting.
As for that wall of images Trotsky posted, it isn't relevant to any of this. By itself; not only does it showcase any and every shock image it can find and accuse Israel of slaughtering them, it doesn't provide any sources, presents opinion as news and makes several references to the Illuminati and New World Order. In relation to this discussion, the only argument it makes it "Israel bad, they kill people". There is nothing in relation to racism within Israel, the role Arabs play within government, Diplomatic relationships between Palestine and Israel and Israels role in the world. It really is just a massive troll.
OK I put the relevant stuff in quotes in the top post.
Is there anyway on these forums to quote something with a click of the button? Except for the whole post when I click "reply".
I just copy and paste the quotes in another tab.
I do this too when I want to quote multiple posts, but what if it's a big post and you want to write stuff for each part? Like this:
[Quote]blabla[/quote]
Well, blablabla.
[Quote]and blabla[/quote]
Then blablabla.
Same method, add hitting the 'reply' button into the maths.
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