• Arizona to fine obese people on welfare if they don't follow their doctors diets
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[QUOTE=Perfumly;29910683]Whey protein is cheap as shit and it's perfectly fine to get your protein in every day. A cheap multivitamin can replace a lot of the vitamins you get from fruits and vegetables as well. Losing weight isn't about eating healthy, it's about eating less. There is no possible scenario in which losing weight would cost more money than gaining weight.[/QUOTE] The confusion comes about in that people assume they have to eat "healthy foods" in order to lose weigh. Just to clarify, I'm not arguing against what you are saying, I am expanding upon it. Most foods that are considered and labeled as "healthy" are priced higher and are portioned smaller. The fact of the matter is that you don't need to even eat healthy foods to lose weight, you could eat a diet consisting of all junk food and lose weight as long as your daily caloric intake in less than what your body burns in a day naturally. That number is estimated at about 2000 calories for the average person, meaning that if you eat 1500 calories a day, over time you will lose weight. Exercise increases the amount of calories you burn, so instead of the regular 2000 calories, you'd be burning 2500, which means when combined with diet, you will lose weight twice as fast. You can get into smaller aspects to weight loss, but as a whole, it doesn't really matter what you eat. People have proven you can lose weight by eating exclusively McDonalds by using the proper a diet and not taking in 5000 calories in daily like the guy in Super Size Me did. A lot of these healthy foods people recommend are foods that have a low amount of calories so you aren't risking much by overeating. If overeating is the issue, vegetables may help you a lot, but there is some crazy misconception that you have to eat foods labeled as healthy to be healthy.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29901322]how can you be fat and be on welfare[/QUOTE] You can use welfare dollars for all kinds of nasty, shitty food. And a lot of really cheap food is TERRIBLE for you. A lot of people on welfare are cheating the system, so they have jobs that pay for everything else, but then they use the welfare money to buy all kinds of fast food shit. Then they get so fucking fat that they claim it is a "disability" and they can't work, so they get to sit at home on their asses eating all day and crying about how they can't work because they are sitting at home on their asses eating all day. [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/FatWelfareChicsNunez1.jpg[/img] Here is a story about some fat fucks in England who are doing this: [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5004431/Family-who-are-too-fat-to-work-say-22000-worth-of-benefits-is-not-enough.html[/url] Your tax dollars are paying for food for these whales. [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/22/article-1208363-0625D92D000005DC-982_468x286.jpg[/img] Anyone who disagrees is a fatty.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29909484]clearly none of you have ever had to fucking provide for yourselves otherwise it'd be pretty fucking clear to you that the food in the supermarket that's actually healthy - whole meat, fresh vegetables - is fucking expensive as shit. A whole piece of broccoli (which will provide fiber and is healthy as shit) is about 2 bucks, meat is 3-4 dollars per pound. Proper protein intake for an average person is 80grams per day which is roughly a pound of chicken or turkey. 5.50 for a healthy meal - but that's not even balanced yet. In order to actually get proper nutrition you'll need more vegetables - carrots, for instance, which will set you back maybe a buck per carrot (large carrots, not baby carrots). That's 6.50. Welfare families have upwards of 4 people in them often, so that's 25 dollars per day spent on food. When you can quite easily go to a fast food joint or even a subway or some shit (which is nowhere near as healthy as people make it out to be) which will be 10 dollars to feed your family. anyone who thinks that poor health isn't correlated with less wealth is fucking balls to the walls idiotic[/QUOTE] You clearly don't do the shopping either, of course it's going to be expensive if you don't know how to shop. You have to take advantage of sales, and buy in bulk. By the way, a 2 pound bag of baby carrots which is enough to last at LEAST a week costs $1.99 here, we pick up 4 bags on average to feed 80 kids school lunch. That's $2 for a weeks worth of carrots, where the fuck do you get $1 PER carrot? And I don't know how much broccoli is per pound, but we pick up a 30 pound case that feeds 80-90 kids with their school lunch for $24.99. That's under $1\pound if you buy it in bulk. Wanna know how much the meat costs for the kids when we give them meat? $3 a pound for organic hormone free meat. The kids get a 4 ounce portion along with veggies and some sort of dessert (normally fruit, ice pops made from fruit, or brownies), and they're fed on ~$2 per kid.
Right on, Bigby. It's one thing for someone to say that they do not have TIME to cook, but buying raw fresh ingredients is way cheaper than buying processed shit or fast food. BrickInHead's numbers are way out of whack. Chicken thighs are about $1.15/lb. Potatoes and carrots are even cheaper. Buying when things are in season and on sale is cheeeeeap. Even if you can't be bothered to buy fresh, you can get frozen veggies cheap as well. Part of the problem is that people are IGNORANT about calories & cooking. They need to make basic nutrition, cooking, and household finances part of the required high school education.
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911211]Right on, Bigby. but buying raw fresh ingredients is way cheaper than buying processed shit or fast food. [/QUOTE] nope
[QUOTE=Sanius;29911227]nope[/QUOTE] Yep.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29911227]nope[/QUOTE] No, I literally just went over my regular shopping routine, and that's just for the chicken day. We feed 80-90 kids lunch PER DAY at the charter school here. They pay $4 for a lunch and they're fed on a $2 budget. We aren't subsidized by the government at all, we go and talk to the managers of stores to see if they'll cut us a deal if we buy a case.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;29910683]Losing weight isn't about eating healthy, it's about eating less.[/QUOTE] perfumly you know how to gain weight you've got no fucking idea how to lose it properly what you're suggesting is losing weight that also hugely negatively impacts your health. losing weight by eating less while still eating pure shit means that you're still filling your body with monosaturated fats (high blood pressure, ahoy!), sodium (again, high blood pressure!), and a shitload of cholesterol. trust me lmao you don't know what you're talking about On top of my previous post there's the fact that welfare is needed hugely in urban areas. and guess what, everyone! urban areas are where everything has the highest prices! except one thing...shitty food. [QUOTE=Pepin;29910884]The confusion comes about in that people assume they have to eat "healthy foods" in order to lose weigh. Just to clarify, I'm not arguing against what you are saying, I am expanding upon it. Most foods that are considered and labeled as "healthy" are priced higher and are portioned smaller. The fact of the matter is that you don't need to even eat healthy foods to lose weight, you could eat a diet consisting of all junk food and lose weight as long as your daily caloric intake in less than what your body burns in a day naturally. That number is estimated at about 2000 calories for the average person, meaning that if you eat 1500 calories a day, over time you will lose weight. Exercise increases the amount of calories you burn, so instead of the regular 2000 calories, you'd be burning 2500, which means when combined with diet, you will lose weight twice as fast. You can get into smaller aspects to weight loss, but as a whole, it doesn't really matter what you eat. People have proven you can lose weight by eating exclusively McDonalds by using the proper a diet and not taking in 5000 calories in daily like the guy in Super Size Me did. A lot of these healthy foods people recommend are foods that have a low amount of calories so you aren't risking much by overeating. If overeating is the issue, vegetables may help you a lot, but there is some crazy misconception that you have to eat foods labeled as healthy to be healthy.[/QUOTE] IF YOU EAT UNHEALTHY FOOD YOU HAVE AN UNHEALTHY BODY YOU MAY GET RID OF THE OBESITY BUT GUESS WHAT YOU'LL HAVE A SHITLOAD OF OTHER PROBLEMS FOR THE DOCS TO DEAL WITH aka doesn't solve SHIT
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29909484]clearly none of you have ever had to fucking provide for yourselves otherwise it'd be pretty fucking clear to you that the food in the supermarket that's actually healthy - whole meat, fresh vegetables - is fucking expensive as shit. A whole piece of broccoli (which will provide fiber and is healthy as shit) is about 2 bucks, meat is 3-4 dollars per pound. Proper protein intake for an average person is 80grams per day which is roughly a pound of chicken or turkey. 5.50 for a healthy meal - but that's not even balanced yet. In order to actually get proper nutrition you'll need more vegetables - carrots, for instance, which will set you back maybe a buck per carrot (large carrots, not baby carrots). That's 6.50. Welfare families have upwards of 4 people in them often, so that's 25 dollars per day spent on food. When you can quite easily go to a fast food joint or even a subway or some shit (which is nowhere near as healthy as people make it out to be) which will be 10 dollars to feed your family. anyone who thinks that poor health isn't correlated with less wealth is fucking balls to the walls idiotic[/QUOTE] ... That's why they're on welfare, so that they can follow the doctors orders and buy healthy food.
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29911128]You clearly don't do the shopping either, of course it's going to be expensive if you don't know how to shop. You have to take advantage of sales, and buy in bulk. By the way, a 2 pound bag of baby carrots which is enough to last at LEAST a week costs $1.99 here, we pick up 4 bags on average to feed 80 kids school lunch. That's $2 for a weeks worth of carrots, where the fuck do you get $1 PER carrot? And I don't know how much broccoli is per pound, but we pick up a 30 pound case that feeds 80-90 kids with their school lunch for $24.99. That's under $1\pound if you buy it in bulk. Wanna know how much the meat costs for the kids when we give them meat? $3 a pound for organic hormone free meat. The kids get a 4 ounce portion along with veggies and some sort of dessert (normally fruit, ice pops made from fruit, or brownies), and they're fed on ~$2 per kid.[/QUOTE] first and foremost: the poor don't have enough fucking money to buy in bulk second: baby carrots are cheaper than normal carrots third: sales reduce the price (if you're lucky) an astounding 25% that doesn't change the fact that you can feed your family and save a shit more money and time by getting fast foods [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] seriously do you even know how much a welfare check is single mothers get like 400 dollars for a month that's enough to cover housing and heating and electricity not much else.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911370]On top of my previous post there's the fact that welfare is needed hugely in urban areas. and guess what, everyone! urban areas are where everything has the highest prices! except one thing...shitty food.[/QUOTE] Ok, that is true. I live in an urban area and have access to good, cheap fresh healthy food, but I know I am in the minority because I live in a sort of wealthy urban area. In the really poor urban areas the only places you can buy food are corner liquor stores, and they only carry processed garbage.
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911211]Right on, Bigby. It's one thing for someone to say that they do not have TIME to cook, but buying raw fresh ingredients is way cheaper than buying processed shit or fast food. BrickInHead's numbers are way out of whack. Chicken thighs are about $1.15/lb. Potatoes and carrots are even cheaper. Buying when things are in season and on sale is cheeeeeap. Even if you can't be bothered to buy fresh, you can get frozen veggies cheap as well. Part of the problem is that people are IGNORANT about calories & cooking. They need to make basic nutrition, cooking, and household finances part of the required high school education.[/QUOTE] i'm goin by my local stopnshop dear and i don't live in a particularly wealthy area [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] but i agree on the basic nutrition stuff that shit is important and the poor aren't particularly well educated either so they don't really get access to that information! [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Electrocuter;29911400]... That's why they're on welfare, so that they can follow the doctors orders and buy healthy food.[/QUOTE] granted I haven't read this bill but if the doctor's orders are actually backed up by funds by the [I]STATE GOVERNMENT [/I]because this is a [I]STATE LAW [/I](honestly I'm tired of states bitching they don't get enough money from the feds when they do stupid shit like this) that go straight towards buying food great, go ahead otherwise this is a bill that directly attacks healthcare and the poor and is yet another way to suck some cash outta em 50 a year may not seem like much to us who have money and shit but ask any fuckin' homeless person and they'll tell ya
Are you on the East Coast? I wonder if prices are different there. I am basing my prices on a combination of some wholesale produce grocery stores in my area, and the "Grocery Outlet" chain of discount groceries. [url]http://www.groceryoutlet.com/[/url] I see a lot of folks on welfare when I am at Grocery Outlet, and they always seem to skip right past the unprepared food and go straight to the TV dinners and shit like that. It's a shame, because the unprepared food there is suuuuuper cheap. But knowing how to cook is super important. If you don't know the basics of how to cook and are just going from recipes, cooking can be extremely expensive. Even more expensive than buying prepared stuff. I have sort of a general cooking knowledge so I can just buy stuff when it is cheap and figure out how to combine it with other things in the kitchen to make something that tastes good, but whenever I try to cook from a recipe (buying things I need for the recipe instead of things that are on sale) I am shocked at how expensive everything is.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911416]first and foremost: the poor don't have enough fucking money to buy in bulk second: baby carrots are cheaper than normal carrots third: sales reduce the price (if you're lucky) an astounding 25% that doesn't change the fact that you can feed your family and save a shit more money and time by getting fast foods [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] seriously do you even know how much a welfare check is single mothers get like 400 dollars for a month that's enough to cover housing and heating and electricity not much else.[/QUOTE] Yes they do, bulk doesn't always mean a case. No shit they're cheaper, that's why we buy them. Part of knowing how to shop is realizing that baby carrots and regular carrots are BOTH CARROTS. Baby carrots, cost less, big carrots cost more. You must not do a lot of ad watching, the two supermarkets here (bashas' and safeway) easily go down to 50-60% off of shit like fruits and vegetables. And no, fast food really isn't that much cheaper. You can easily get at least a few meals worth if not a few days worth of food with the same amount of money it'd cost to take a family of 4 to McDonalds, and that only gets you one meal. If you can afford to buy fast food you can afford to get at LEAST one healthy meal, hell even the deli\pre-prepared food section (I'm talking about where they actually cook the food and you eat it right there, not pre-prepared frozen food) is pretty close to fast food pricewise.
Are baby carrots really cheaper than normal carrots? I seem to remember 5-pound bags of unpeeled normal carrots being cheap as hell.
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911608]Are baby carrots really cheaper than normal carrots? I seem to remember 5-pound bags of unpeeled normal carrots being cheap as hell.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure baby carrots have pretty much always been cheap as hell
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911370]perfumly you know how to gain weight you've got no fucking idea how to lose it properly what you're suggesting is losing weight that also hugely negatively impacts your health. losing weight by eating less while still eating pure shit means that you're still filling your body with monosaturated fats (high blood pressure, ahoy!), sodium (again, high blood pressure!), and a shitload of cholesterol. trust me lmao you don't know what you're talking about On top of my previous post there's the fact that welfare is needed hugely in urban areas. and guess what, everyone! urban areas are where everything has the highest prices! except one thing...shitty food. [/QUOTE] Uh except I do know how to lose weight. I dropped 7lbs of fat in two weeks on a protein fast. (A protein fast is not unhealthy unless done improperly, and it's probably the cheapest way ever to lose weight other than full on starving yourself)
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911541]Are you on the East Coast? I wonder if prices are different there. I am basing my prices on a combination of some wholesale produce grocery stores in my area, and the "Grocery Outlet" chain of discount groceries. [url]http://www.groceryoutlet.com/[/url] I see a lot of folks on welfare when I am at Grocery Outlet, and they always seem to skip right past the unprepared food and go straight to the TV dinners and shit like that. It's a shame, because the unprepared food there is suuuuuper cheap. But knowing how to cook is super important. If you don't know the basics of how to cook and are just going from recipes, cooking can be extremely expensive. Even more expensive than buying prepared stuff. I have sort of a general cooking knowledge so I can just buy stuff when it is cheap and figure out how to combine it with other things in the kitchen to make something that tastes good, but whenever I try to cook from a recipe (buying things I need for the recipe instead of things that are on sale) I am shocked at how expensive everything is.[/QUOTE] as a student who just now actually has to deal with cooking without having shit provided to him (cooking materials - I always have bought my own food, but my dorm's kitchen came stocked with pots, pans, cutting boards knives and everything else you need) - you also have to factor that in. A proper knife to prepare things along with cutting boards, pots, pans, and everything is expensive, and it's significantly [I]easier [/I]to just grab the tv dinners. i rarely go by recipes because they often call for crazy stuff, but i always make sure to buy the best bargain (as far as price/unit goes) for something even if that means spending more money, because then i have spices and oils that I can use later for cooking other stuff that I throw together. recently i made a cinnamon crusted chicken breast with apple zest with some olive oil, good shit and yeah, stuff is much higher priced in the east, esp. the northeast. mainly because all of the agricultural centers of the united states are out west and don't need to travel too far to be sold, wheras everything up here needs to travel a few thousand miles (because our soil is shit and can't grow anything) [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Perfumly;29911649]Uh except I do know how to lose weight. I dropped 7lbs of fat in two weeks on a protein fast. (A protein fast is not unhealthy unless done improperly, and it's probably the cheapest way ever to lose weight other than full on starving yourself)[/QUOTE] i also presume you're not eating fast food as your main source of nutrition [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] grats btw on the 7lbs, gj
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911660]as a student who just now actually has to deal with cooking without having shit provided to him (cooking materials - I always have bought my own food, but my dorm's kitchen came stocked with pots, pans, cutting boards knives and everything else you need) - you also have to factor that in. A proper knife to prepare things along with cutting boards, pots, pans, and everything is expensive, and it's significantly [I]easier [/I]to just grab the tv dinners. i rarely go by recipes because they often call for crazy stuff, but i always make sure to buy the best bargain (as far as price/unit goes) for something even if that means spending more money, because then i have spices and oils that I can use later for cooking other stuff that I throw together. recently i made a cinnamon crusted chicken breast with apple zest with some olive oil, good shit and yeah, stuff is much higher priced in the east, esp. the northeast. mainly because all of the agricultural centers of the united states are out west and don't need to travel too far to be sold, wheras everything up here needs to travel a few thousand miles (because our soil is shit and can't grow anything)[/QUOTE] Buy item, use item, return item. Or better yet just improvise, one time when I couldn't find a pot I used a high brimmed pan to boil water in, worked perfectly
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911608]Are baby carrots really cheaper than normal carrots? I seem to remember 5-pound bags of unpeeled normal carrots being cheap as hell.[/QUOTE] baby carrots are mass produced so they're cheaper [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29911696]Buy item, use item, return item.[/QUOTE] lmao let's give another reason for conservatives to yell at the poor
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911722]baby carrots are mass produced so they're cheaper[/QUOTE] Uh... Baby carrots are just regular carrots that are chopped and shaved. They just take the smaller carrots and run them through a machine that sorts, chops, and then shaves them. One of my relatives works for a major agricultural company in California and I've been to their carrot processing facility. But they might be cheaper because they can use the tiny, shitty carrots for baby carrots. Whereas whole carrots can only be the larger ones.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911660] i also presume you're not eating fast food as your main source of nutrition [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] grats btw on the 7lbs, gj[/QUOTE] No I'm eating cheap-as-shit $2.99/5lb of chickenbreast. Which is much cheaper than fast food.
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911768]Uh... Baby carrots are just regular carrots that are chopped and shaved. [/QUOTE] baby carrots are small carrots I snack on baby carrots every day so I know my carrots okay
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29911696]Buy item, use item, return item. Or better yet just improvise, one time when I couldn't find a pot I used a high brimmed pan to boil water in, worked perfectly[/QUOTE] You can also find pretty cheap stuff if you know how to shop. For everyday cooking the $20 Kuhn Rikon santoku knife is just as good as that overpriced $180 Whustoff shit that they try to sell you in specialty shops. [url]http://www.amazon.com/Kuhn-Rikon-6-Inch-Nonstick-Santoku/dp/B001ETQS02/[/url] [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;29911830]baby carrots are small carrots I snack on baby carrots every day so I know my carrots okay[/QUOTE] Snack on carrots erry day. I guess they come out of the ground shaved right?
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911768]Uh... Baby carrots are just regular carrots that are chopped and shaved. They just take the smaller carrots and run them through a machine that sorts, chops, and then shaves them.[/quote] i know this, they're mass produced on a much larger scale than normal large carrots. utilized by an array of different brands and used in frozen dinners and shit because it's a more manageable size etc. it's the reason that they're cheaper. they're not any "less healthy" than normal carrots so sure they can go for them if they're only worried about calorie intake, but iirc a few nutritionists have told me that proper fully grown carrots that haven't been processed have significantly better nutrients [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Perfumly;29911828]No I'm eating cheap-as-shit $2.99/5lb of chickenbreast. Which is much cheaper than fast food.[/QUOTE] hOW
[QUOTE=analrapist;29911846] Snack on carrots erry day. I guess they come out of the ground shaved right?[/QUOTE] I said nothing about how they're processed but okay
WHERE PERF I'M POOR LIVING OFF 5 DOLLARS A DAY FOR FOOD WHERE DO YOU GET THIS [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] the big y and stop n shop up here have 3 bucks for one pound of chicken breast how HOW [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] i mean once i start making soups i'll be fine (one batch of chicken soup costs like 25 bucks and then feeds me for a week so i'm set)
Move to California dude! Housing here costs a fuckton but good food is cheap. Chicken thighs are better than breasts anyway. More flavorful and less than 1/2 the price.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911904]WHERE PERF I'M POOR LIVING OFF 5 DOLLARS A DAY FOR FOOD WHERE DO YOU GET THIS [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] the big y and stop n shop up here have 3 bucks for one pound of chicken breast how HOW [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] i mean once i start making soups i'll be fine (one batch of chicken soup costs like 25 bucks and then feeds me for a week so i'm set)[/QUOTE] Wal-mart/sams club has really cheap and relatively healthy food around here.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29911904]WHERE PERF I'M POOR LIVING OFF 5 DOLLARS A DAY FOR FOOD WHERE DO YOU GET THIS [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] the big y and stop n shop up here have 3 bucks for one pound of chicken breast how HOW [editline]18th May 2011[/editline] i mean once i start making soups i'll be fine (one batch of chicken soup costs like 25 bucks and then feeds me for a week so i'm set)[/QUOTE] Just a tip, that really cheap ground beef makes excellent burgers if you season it a little. Dirt cheap too.
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