Trump promises his Obamacare replacement plan will cover all
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[QUOTE=Sonador;51679386]You don't understand. We [I]need[/I] that defense budget. Without it, our effectiveness at bullying brown people in god forsaken war-torn desert countries will plummet! They'll be left alone to practice their own religions and war with themselves and maybe finally have a side win and allow the region to stabilize again! Before you know it, we'll be paying 6 bucks a gallon for gas, and in comparison to poor people literally fucking dying, that just won't do![/QUOTE]
Or, because the US is in the market of military R&D and we also provide logistical support to every ally in a big way. Not to mention the peacekeeping efforts we have around the world with things, most recently, like Poland. Slashing the US military budget like that does a lot more than just save more money for something else. You're affecting a lot of other countries by doing so.
I believe it when I see it™
[QUOTE=Damjen;51678557]Because they are America so they can do no wrong and/or the prevalent idea that socialism=communism.
That's pretty much it, if Russia can have free health care so can America.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to be annoying, just want to clarify, but there's not a single socialist country in europe or the whole world for that matter, what you are refering to is called Social-Democracy, which is still capitalism, socialism requires for all the means of production to be owned by the workers, for example in my country we have a party called the worker's socialist party which is social democrat, they used to be socialist but they are socdem now, just like sanders is, just like Syriza and Podemos.
Communism is an extremely advanced, stateless version of socialism.
I don't even live in America and this guy is really fucking annoying.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;51679250]Obamacare is squeezing my middle class parents dry and they got a letter in the mail a month or two ago saying their price is going to go up again. I have absolutely no hope that anything this idiot puts into plan will be any better.[/QUOTE]
This is what happens when you create a mandatory government-sponsored monopoly and then don't restrict what they're able to do.
The risk pools are currently being averaged across the vast majority of this country's citizens. How do you think that's going to change when they're decreased to half or less? Prices won't go down, I assure you of that.
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51678548]Why can't America adopt a European system?[/QUOTE]
america is freakin huge
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51679318]Russian free healthcare is a joke however, which is just getting worse due to shit economy.
I'm pretty sure US can get it to work, however. If they swapped defense budget with healthcare budget, for example?[/QUOTE]
Ahhh.
The classic, "Defund Defense, gib money to NASA, Healthcare, and free Weed" type posts are back.
It's been a while! How refreshing.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;51680063]Ahhh.
The classic, "Defund Defense, gib money to NASA, Healthcare, and free Weed" type posts are back.
It's been a while! How refreshing.[/QUOTE]
I dunno why you threw weed in there considering the benefits of taxing it and legalizing it's use. If anything, Federally legalizing and taxing weed could bring in a good amount of money that could be devoted specifically toward healthcare, infrastructure, etc.
[QUOTE=Cone;51679454]wasn't Romney actually pretty left-wing to begin with? i remember people posting old videos of him defending abortion and gay marriage and stuff[/QUOTE]
Mitch McConnell used to defend abortion as well, but let's be honest, doing whatever you have to in order to get re-elected is what the country really needs.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51678556]For one thing, the population of America, itself, is roughly 50% of that of [I]all of Europe[/I]. The logistic considerations of burning the existing system to the ground and converting everything to a European social safety net style of system would be [B]incredible[/B] and it would require the cooperation of the Union, near unanimously, for it to work. It would be on par with the space race in terms of costs and risks, except the stakes are tens of millions of vulnerable Americans' health care, not an ideological bucket-list race against the Russians.
Fixing America's health care system is going to be an immense amount of work. Which is exactly why I doubt Trump, a man who has never gone wanting and tends the image of his businesses more than the businesses themselves, should be trusted with anything close to federal health care/insurance reform.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't quite mean moving to single payer though.
We could start with something like what the swiss got. Or hell, just basic reforms such as controls on what prices things can be sold at like.... every single other country on the planet.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51680044]america is freakin huge[/QUOTE]
the european union has free healthcare but its got even more people than america does
"Insurance for everbody" is a pretty great quote as well, can't imagine that biting him in the ass or anything.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;51680496]"Insurance for everbody" is a pretty great quote as well, can't imagine that biting him in the ass or anything.[/QUOTE]
Put it alongside "WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL" and "LOCK HER UP"
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51680506]Put it alongside "WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL" and "LOCK HER UP"[/QUOTE]
You forgot his best one; "DRAIN THE SWAMP"
none of what he says is realistic. the ACA had to mandate coverage to afford to keep people with preexisting conditions, it had to have subsidies to get poor to afford it, it had to have provisions covering what care plans had to offer to prevent junk plans from killing people
the GOP keeps talking like they'll get it all withiut the consiquences
[QUOTE=1239the;51678528]The uninsured get half-off coupons for Trump Steaks.[/QUOTE]
So he IS trying to kill us!
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51681161]So he IS trying to kill us![/QUOTE]
my boss joked that it'll be a pack of bandaids mailed to you, thats obviously not going to work since the post is a federal entity, I responded with a pack of bandaids fed-ex'd to you
[QUOTE=Sableye;51681296]my boss joked that it'll be a pack of bandaids mailed to you, thats obviously not going to work since the post is a federal entity, I responded with a pack of bandaids fed-ex'd to you[/QUOTE]
Great, so the box/envelope they come in will be utterly demolished. Thanks, Trump.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51681296]my boss joked that it'll be a pack of bandaids mailed to you, thats obviously not going to work since the post is a federal entity, I responded with a pack of bandaids fed-ex'd to you[/QUOTE]
I dunno, Trump mailing bandaids to poor people sounds more like a DHL thing. As cheap and shitty as possible.
Imagine if the GOP just repealed the ACA then renamed it under something else and passed it with literally nothing changed.
All so they can say they stuck it to Obama.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;51680063]Ahhh.
The classic, "Defund Defense, gib money to NASA, Healthcare, and free Weed" type posts are back.
It's been a while! How refreshing.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much Soudador's post but not ironic. Nice.
Why the fuck do you need such insane defense budget? To be a super power? You can't be a super power when you are fucking rotten in the core.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51683182]Pretty much Soudador's post but not ironic. Nice.
Why the fuck do you need such insane defense budget? To be a super power? You can't be a super power when you are fucking rotten in the core.[/QUOTE]
The history of superpowers disagrees.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51683182]Pretty much Soudador's post but not ironic. Nice.
Why the fuck do you need such insane defense budget? To be a super power? You can't be a super power when you are fucking rotten in the core.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Revenge282;51679460]Or, because the US is in the market of military R&D and we also provide logistical support to every ally in a big way. Not to mention the peacekeeping efforts we have around the world with things, most recently, like Poland. Slashing the US military budget like that does a lot more than just save more money for something else. You're affecting a lot of other countries by doing so.[/QUOTE]
It should also be noted that Estonia also benefits from the US military budget by receiving millions in aid every year, as well as an additional $68m for investment into Estonian military bases. :eng101:
[QUOTE=Revenge282;51683898]It should also be noted that Estonia also benefits from the US military budget by receiving millions in aid every year, as well as an additional $68m for investment into Estonian military bases. :eng101:[/QUOTE] Although Trump says he wants to cut support to countries that don't chip in enough on their own according to what NATO recommends, and Estonia most certainly does do its part. They've even got conscription too IIRC
So uh, according to Trump standards Estonia is one of the allies not to cut aid to.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51684597]Although Trump says he wants to cut support to countries that don't chip in enough on their own according to what NATO recommends, and Estonia most certainly does do its part. They've even got conscription too IIRC
So uh, according to Trump standards Estonia is one of the allies not to cut aid to.[/QUOTE]
I never said cut support to Estonia to save money for something else. I was just pointing out the irony in the fact that an Estonian (according to flagdog) is criticizing the US military budget, of which they get $5-8m annually, plus the aforementioned $68m for investment into bases.
I also mentioned in a previous post that America is in the business of military R&D. A large military budget in the US is akin to Germany having an overly large amount of money thrown into engineering. That is our trade.
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