• Catwoman is officially bisexual
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all aboard the s.s shoehorn [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] (DC and Merval don't do this well)
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;47235196]who the fuck thought it was a good idea to have her win her first fight through pity like she doesn't even get to actually win a single fight by her own strength in the entire first issue[/QUOTE] Absorbing Man accidentally fell on a pile of straw before that fight.
I think if they made Catwoman a man, it would switch to being really creepy.
[QUOTE=Cone;47234270]yeah that's my point. an existing character who's eventually stated to be gay doesn't have to change a thing about their characterization. a character only made to be gay can only be gay. that's why i don't like that people react so harshly when something like this happens - if it was a half-hearted standardized gesture then they wouldn't change an existing character that people know and like, they would take the laziest route possible and make a crappy new one that they can cut out at a moment's notice. like look at that Superman comic from the 60's where Lois Lane randomly decides to be black for a day to see how civil rights were working out (oh yeah, that happened). that's the kind of thing you want to avoid cos even if you're heart's in the right place (and at the time that might have even been pretty solid of them), it shows that you're lacking either the guts or the capacity to do anything further. making a real established character gay for more than two seconds is a serious thing - they clearly care and they want to be in it for the duration.[/QUOTE] I mean, it's not like one can't become gay at some point in their life, or realize it, so I can't argue with you
[QUOTE=redBadger;47233810]I fully support LGQT or whatever order it goes in but do comic books seriously have to start making everything "equal". It's like they're trying to find an excuse to make a character gay or bi or whatever or to try and give them a [B]transsexual[/B] or transracial treatment.[/QUOTE] Is there even one mainstream superhero who's trans?
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47235808]Is there even one mainstream superhero who's trans?[/QUOTE] I dunno if this counts. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavin[/url] [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] Actually, you said mainstream so probably not.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47235017]I don't need to be a woman to see that this is plain awful. I also don't like your insinuation that a person's opinion means less based on their race/gender/sexuality/creed. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/deZiptA.png[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/kDoMPOz.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] The writing is pretty dumb, but I've never seen female Thor before, and she looks fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47235985]The writing is pretty dumb, but I've never seen female Thor before, and she looks fucking awesome.[/QUOTE] Female thor is a really good design but it sparked controversy from the first day it was announced and instead of responding with proper writing to prove she could be a good character they decided to be childish idiots and write this trite instead.
[QUOTE=megafat;47234613]I'm also getting a little sick of a character being anything other than white, straight, and/or male being a character trait that has nothing to do with their backstory. Their gender, ethnicity and/or sexual preference has no significance on the story unless a moment in their lives surrounding their gender, ethnicity and/or sexual preference makes them who they are. All you have to do is have a character act like anyone else, just with a slight difference, as if they're a normal human being. Just don't announce it as if its this giant thing.[/QUOTE] But what if you look at it from the perspective of their backstory being secondary? What they experienced in the past is often secondary to impressions of a character to who they are, how they behave, and their personality. Sexuality is part of that identity and does play into the overall picture of the character. Catwoman is an educated, intelligent woman who's very comfortable with being sexual. People who fit into that category, whether male or female, tend to be pretty open to experimentation. Was the skin-tight bodysuit a hint? Everyone knows Batman's probably a freak, too. So the idea she's bicurious or bisexual? No great revelation. It doesn't change anything about what we know of the character, or the way we think of them.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;47235241]maybe we would actually get some good stories then I'll take an accurate self insert over a gary stu any day.[/QUOTE] I always thought that regular people who happened to have/get super powers were way more interesting than the borderline caricatures that pretty much every Marvel/DC super hero is would be way more interesting. Not necessarily a self insert, but just y'know, a person.
[QUOTE=elowin;47236095]I always thought that regular people who happened to have/get super powers were way more interesting than the borderline caricatures that pretty much every Marvel/DC super hero is would be way more interesting. Not necessarily a self insert, but just y'know, a person.[/QUOTE] Y'mean like Peter Parker/Spiderman?
[QUOTE=archangel125;47236097]Y'mean like Peter Parker/Spiderman?[/QUOTE] Or the Hulk, the Flash, Green Lantern, The Atom, Ant-Man, Cyborg, Enchantress, Shazam. All of whom, coincidentally, have made appearances in shows/movies or will be making one.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47236097]Y'mean like Peter Parker/Spiderman?[/QUOTE] No. Peter Parker is closer to being a regular guy than fucking Superman, sure, but he is by no means a regular guy.
I mean I've been a fan of Catwoman for awhile but this isn't surprising in the slightest, I can totally buy it It's a pet-peeve of mine to shoehorn pandering changes into characters who have been around for years like making a character gay or a different race out of the blue but I honestly thought Catwoman was bi already
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47236180]snip[/QUOTE] admittedly pete despite being a fairly normal street-level dude is still a fucking genius and usually winds up a scientist later in his career
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;47236190]admittedly pete despite being a fairly normal street-level dude is still a fucking genius and usually winds up a scientist later in his career[/QUOTE] Hal Jordan is the closest to being an average guy turned super hero and a big part of the character is that he's a god damn moron.
nah there's plenty of average joes who turn into superheroes captain america, ant man, daredevil, most of the x-men, etc
The x-men aren't average joes, they're mutants. They're literally born overpowered.
[QUOTE=redBadger;47233810]I fully support LGQT or whatever order it goes in but do comic books seriously have to start making everything "equal". It's like they're trying to find an excuse to make a character gay or bi or whatever or to try and give them a transsexual or transracial treatment.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure they're just riding this into the sex appeal ditch again with "potential girl-on-girl action" which's one of the leading markets in adult entertainment.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47236335]The x-men aren't average joes, they're mutants. They're literally born overpowered.[/QUOTE] mutants trying to live normal lives is basically the most important theme in x-men, and most of them do lead pretty normal lifestyles until they're found out
[QUOTE=nnanna;47234248]honestly it might sound like a stupid thing but lgbt representation in media is VERY important for lgbt kids especially when growing up, helps them all not have to deal with stuff like for example internal homo-, transphobia when growing up cause not seeing people like themself anywhere makes it seem like being lgbt is a bad thing.. especially when we already have bunch of other people being very negative towards lgbt things/people i'm pretty happy to see comics adding stuff like this and actually making it clear and canon[/QUOTE] I'm not why sure people rated OP dumb as I don't know Catwoman at all, but this article made me smile anyway and this is basically why! Like, I've said in a few posts I'm bisexual and honestly it was kinda confusing growing up at some points, it's also something about myself I had hidden for my entire life up until 1-2 months ago. There aren't very many bisexual characters in general, let alone ones that are good! So I definitely would have appreciated more diversity when I was a teenage. Everyone says that a character's defining trait shouldn't be their sexuality/gender/race and I totally agree 100% of the way, but I also think it's important to understand that for a lot of people, their identity IS a huge part of them.
It would have been an awful lot harder for my parents to convince me that being anything other than heterosexual was a disgusting sign of mental sickness that inevitably lead to a person becoming a paedophile in later life, if a few of my favourite videogame/comicbook/movie characters had been gay or bi. visibility is important for young LBGT people, it helps them to feel less isolated and makes it harder for people to make them feel that their feelings are abnormal and wrong.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47234959]Catwoman has been implicitly bisexual for a long time, this just makes it explicit. The people who get mad about this kind of stuff (female Thor, black Spiderman, etc) always seem to be the people with absolutely no knowledge about the characters in the first place. And usually not a part of said minority. I'm not sure which says more. [/QUOTE] The thing is Thor is not a persona. It's the name of the dude. It's like me saying "I'm gonna be the white Obama!". And on top of that, why take Thor's name? Couldn't she be her own viking heroine? Same thing with Capt. America. Couldn't they just promote Falcon to team leader, did he have to change into Capt. America? As a Falcon fan, this is bullshit. [QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;47235388]I think if they made Catwoman a man, it would switch to being really creepy.[/QUOTE] What if they made Black Lightning asian?
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;47236860]I'm not why sure people rated OP dumb as I don't know Catwoman at all, but this article made me smile anyway and this is basically why! Like, I've said in a few posts I'm bisexual and honestly it was kinda confusing growing up at some points, it's also something about myself I had hidden for my entire life up until 1-2 months ago. There aren't very many bisexual characters in general, let alone ones that are good! So I definitely would have appreciated more diversity when I was a teenage. Everyone says that a character's defining trait shouldn't be their sexuality/gender/race and I totally agree 100% of the way, but I also think it's important to understand that for a lot of people, their identity IS a huge part of them.[/QUOTE] It's being rated dumb because they are media trumpeting a twenty year old fact simply to trumpet how progressive they are. Meanwhile in the 90's, Bruce needs information about a particular fence, so he goes to Kyle's house and she's in disheveled lingerie and there's a topless chick with her, and she doesn't invite Bruce to stay this particular night, unlike their normal flirtation. Implications Obvious.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47237345]The thing is Thor is not a persona. It's the name of the dude. It's like me saying "I'm gonna be the white Obama!". And on top of that, why take Thor's name? Couldn't she be her own viking heroine? Same thing with Capt. America. Couldn't they just promote Falcon to team leader, did he have to change into Capt. America? As a Falcon fan, this is bullshit. What if they made Black Lightning asian?[/QUOTE] last time i checked the one who wields mjornir is worthy of the name and power of thor also the thing with captain america if you care go read "fallen son" it really explains the reason why the person can change and still captain america can be someone else its a symbol and "the world needs captain america" even if steve rogers isn't captain america
[QUOTE=nnanna;47238089]last time i checked the one who wields mjornir is worthy of the name and power of thor also the thing with captain america if you care go read "fallen son" it really explains the reason why the person can change and still captain america can be someone else its a symbol and "the world needs captain america" even if steve rogers isn't captain america[/QUOTE] then what's thor's name now
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;47238196]then what's thor's name now[/QUOTE] He goes by just his last name now, Odinson.
[QUOTE=nnanna;47238089]last time i checked the one who wields mjornir is worthy of the name and power of thor also the thing with captain america if you care go read "fallen son" it really explains the reason why the person can change and still captain america can be someone else its a symbol and "the world needs captain america" even if steve rogers isn't captain america[/QUOTE] Just the power. His name is Thor because he was BORN Thor not because he uses the hammer. Besides, the whole "You're Thor now" is BULLSHIT, otherwise Beta Ray Bill would be Thor. In fact, everytime someone is "worthy" they get their own Mjolnir, like Stormbreaker and Thunderstrike. I don't buy this "There must always be a Captain America". It's like the NBA saying "There must always be a Michael Jordan". They should just retire his name and his costume, put it in a hall of fame like justice league does.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47237345]The thing is Thor is not a persona. It's the name of the dude. It's like me saying "I'm gonna be the white Obama!". And on top of that, why take Thor's name? Couldn't she be her own viking heroine? Same thing with Capt. America. Couldn't they just promote Falcon to team leader, did he have to change into Capt. America? As a Falcon fan, this is bullshit. What if they made Black Lightning asian?[/QUOTE] I was trying to be funny
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