• Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes duing landing at San Francisco International
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[QUOTE=Jsm;41341168]ILS is apparently inop so I would hope they weren't using autoland..[/QUOTE] when did ILS go down?
[QUOTE=areolop;41341181] No way they'd use that runway for such a flight if ILS was inop. You dont land commercial jets on runways with no ILS unless you absolutely have to.[/QUOTE] Uh the NOTAM probably isn't wrong, you wouldn't put out a 2 month long NOTAM for no reason. Also commercial jets do visual landings (or other precision landings) quite frequently if the conditions allow. If you listen to the sound file from LiveATC they are all cleared visual sooo. As for the thing about CATIII, not all landings are done with autoland, from what I understand pilots prefer manual landings unless the conditions prevent it from happening. [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=jordguitar;41341221]when did ILS go down?[/QUOTE] According to the NOTAM its unserviceable between 11th of June till 22nd of August.
[QUOTE=areolop;41341181]If anyone here knows anything about airplanes and piloting, you know its not going to be pilot error unless they had a serious malfunction in the navigation equipment or generators. These planes, especially at major airports, use CATIII landing systems which makes for a perfect landing in all cases.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.publicspeakingtoolkit.com/ethnic-theory-of-plane-crashes.html[/url] You are an idiot if you think that the majority of plane crashes are caused by mechanical failure than by pilot error, and you should stop talking.
NOTAM from June 27 "ILS OR LOC Z RWY 28R, AMDT 11A... ILS RWY 28R CAT II&III, AMDT 11A... [B]ILS OR LOC Z RWY 28L, AMDT 23A...[/B] LDA/DME RWY 28R, AMDT 1A... LDA PRM RWY 28R (SIMULTANEOUS CLOSE PARALLEL), AMDT 1A... ILS PRM RWY 28L (SIMULTANEOUS CLOSE PARALLEL), AMDT 2... PROCEDURE NA." ILS was indeed INOP
The next questions are did they get the NOTAM, Did ATC alert them that ILS or localizer is inop and give them the correct info? There was human error here somewhere, its just trying to find the point of error. [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41341160]Flight path moments before crash from FR24 (zooming highly recommended): [url]http://www.flightradar24.com/2013-07-06/18:20/12x/AAR214/173a97f[/url][/QUOTE] That flightpath is completely normal for a extremely high traffic area.
Armchair investigator here Being Korean and a visual approach I'm gonna place my bet that an overworked and very fatigued flight crew set there altimeter to the wrong altitude and didn't notice until they had a tail strike on flare/landing
[QUOTE=jordguitar;41341473]The next questions are did they get the NOTAM, Did ATC alert them that ILS or localizer is inop and give them the correct info? There was human error here somewhere, its just trying to find the point of error. [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] That flightpath is completely normal for a extremely high traffic area.[/QUOTE] If they were doing an ILS the ATC would not have cleared them for an ILS in the first place because its down. So they were doing a visual.
[QUOTE=jamzzster;41338140]Reminds me of the 777 that crashed at London Heathrow a while back now. Just missed the perimeter fence and struck the grass before the runway due to dual engine failure [IMG]http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/53697/500x400/ba-777-crash-lhr-jpg.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [video=youtube;qcGA3vRwzuE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcGA3vRwzuE[/video]
[QUOTE=jordguitar;41341473]The next questions are did they get the NOTAM, Did ATC alert them that ILS or localizer is inop and give them the correct info? There was human error here somewhere, its just trying to find the point of error. [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] That flightpath is completely normal for a extremely high traffic area.[/QUOTE] If you listen to the ATC recording that came from LiveATC ([url=https://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.amazonaws.com/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3]here[/url]) it seems all of the aircraft are cleared visual so read into that what you wish.
[QUOTE]“The tail was too low. Instead of coming in flat it was coming in at, I would say, maybe a 45-degree angle, with the tail far too low,” she said. “It really went through quite a few acrobatics on the runway.”[/QUOTE] Planes don't come in flat at all. 35 degrees is about what a plane comes in at.
[QUOTE=Jsm;41341543]If you listen to the ATC recording that came from LiveATC ([url=https://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.amazonaws.com/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3]here[/url]) it seems all of the aircraft are cleared visual so read into that what you wish.[/QUOTE] i will in the morning im too tired right now ntsb might have some more info by monday too.
This is the plane that my brother, nephew, and sister in law use when they come to visit the USA from SK. Glad they're already home... [editline]6th July 2013[/editline] He has been watching the news all day about this.
Air Traffic Control ITT
[QUOTE=Del91;41341588]Air Traffic Control ITT[/QUOTE] NTSB ITT
And to think I took off hours before this happened, I hope everyone will be alright.
2 dead, 1 missing
[QUOTE=areolop;41341780]2 dead, 1 missing[/QUOTE] Apparently the two dead were found outside the plane.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41342216]Apparently the two dead were found outside the plane.[/QUOTE] Source?
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/06/us/california-plane-incident/index.html[/url] Near the top.
AP now says 2 dead, all others accounted for [editline]6th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=darkrei9n;41342281][url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/06/us/california-plane-incident/index.html[/url] Near the top.[/QUOTE] Second source: [url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/faa-airliner-crashes-landing-san-francisco[/url]
Outside the plane? That makes no sense...
Ground crew? Stowaways?
Knocked unconscious or incapacitated and died of smoke inhalation?
I'm at the Narita International Airport right now waiting for my connection to Honolulu, all flights to San Francisco are canceled and there's a whole line of irate people at the connection counter. They made a new line just for the people going to San Fran.
Wow. This sucks. So close to where I live too. I guess its a good thing I'm taking a train to Seattle, and not a plane, this would be my airport. [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] Also, I just remembered that my dad got home from a sales meeting yesterday. He got to come home a day early. Talk about lucky.
[QUOTE=leontodd;41337170]According to BBC, there are no fatalities as of yet but one critically injured.[/QUOTE] The issue there is BBC
I haven't been keeping up with this too much, but so far, now I'm kind of leaning towards pilot error. Landing VFR, beautiful day, no indications of anything wrong, pilot suddenly throttles up just before the tail strike. Something like they were too slow for their weight, forgot to extend the flaps fully even though in the pictures they look like they were fully down, or the pilot just fucked up the approach. Doesn't matter how many hours or years you have under your belt, you can still mess up
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41338530]Dual engine failure, what are the fucking odds of that, damn. Surely it had to be electrical of some sort for that[/QUOTE] The failure was due to the fuel heaters getting clogged up with ice. Ice only becomes ver sticky at certain temperatures, and when the plane was flying over russia, it was way below that temp, so ice flowed fine through the fuel heat exchanger, and small amounts of ice built up inside the pipe. On coming into landing, the temperature increased to the point where ice becomes very sticky, and when the engines requested full power due to turbulence, the ice became unstuck from the pipes and clogged up the FHE, resulting in loss of power in both engines. Here is a picture of a clogged up FHE from the 777 found in testing post accident: [IMG]http://arabianaerospace.aero/media/images/stories/FOHEface.jpg[/IMG] [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] The pilot only managed to land safely after making the split second decision to contract the flaps slightly. If he hadn't it would have missed the grass and crashed into a busy road.
Two things: 1) Apparently (according to 911buff, who is usually right about these things), the two victims might have been run over by responders 2) Video of the crash: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgMMh1DIN4g[/media]
Photos from 911 Buff [url]https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.393431740778540.1073741836.226324334155949&type=1[/url]
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