• Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes duing landing at San Francisco International
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[QUOTE=Dacheet;41352602]Two things: 1) Apparently (according to 911buff, who is usually right about these things), the two victims might have been run over by responders 2) Video of the crash: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgMMh1DIN4g[/media][/QUOTE] Jesus that looked very rough, must have pulled some G's kicking up that dirt. Also it does look like it did almost roll too, but the wings seem to stop that
Does San Francisco not have PAPI lights or something? Even if they didn't set the altimeter correctly just by looking at the PAPI lights it would have told them whether they were above or below the glide slope.
Run over by first responders seems like a bizzare theory.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41353938]Does San Francisco not have PAPI lights or something? Even if they didn't set the altimeter correctly just by looking at the PAPI lights it would have told them whether they were above or below the glide slope.[/QUOTE] Yeah, there was PAPI. It was ILS that was down, I believe.
Jeez its a miracle that only 2 people died judging from that video
[QUOTE=Spiah;41354050]Yeah, there was PAPI. It was ILS that was down, I believe.[/QUOTE] From what others are saying, the glide path was down as well. NOTAM: SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359 "SFO Navigation Instrument Landing System Runway 28L Glide Path Out of Service Effective from 13/06/01/1400-13/08/22/2359" Not sure if that affects the PAPI though
[QUOTE=areolop;41354149]From what others are saying, the glide path was down as well. NOTAM: SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359 "SFO Navigation Instrument Landing System Runway 28L Glide Path Out of Service Effective from 13/06/01/1400-13/08/22/2359" Not sure if that affects the PAPI though[/QUOTE] I don't think PAPI can be affected by ILS, since one is a VFR and the other is IFR
I have no idea what any of these numbers and letters mean Can anyone please explain.
[QUOTE=Dacheet;41354169]I don't think PAPI can be affected by ILS, since one is a VFR and the other is IFR[/QUOTE] I thought VASI was for the visual stuff but PAPI needs the glidepath
[QUOTE=Griffster26;41354178]I have no idea what any of these numbers and letters mean Can anyone please explain.[/QUOTE] NOTAM = Notice to all airmen SFO is the airport abbreviation for San Francisco's airport in the US. Although internationally its KSFO. NAV navigation. ILS Instrument Landing System, what it does, is interact with the plane to tell it whether its above or below the glide slope. Most of the time its used in low visibility conditions so that service isn't interrupted at the airport. RWY 28L, means that San Francisco airport has two runways along heading 280 and heading 100. If you look at an aerial map you'll see two runways parallel to each other. One of these is 28R/10L and the other is 28L/10R The string of numbers after wards is the date and time that its out of service. Format is YYMMDDHHMM
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41354260]NOTAM = Notice to all airmen SFO is the airport abbreviation for San Francisco's airport in the US. Although internationally its KSFO. NAV navigation. ILS Instrument Landing System, what it does, is interact with the plane to tell it whether its above or below the glide slope. Most of the time its used in low visibility conditions so that service isn't interrupted at the airport. RWY 28L, means that San Francisco airport has two runways along heading 280 and heading 100. If you look at an aerial map you'll see two runways parallel to each other. One of these is 28R/10L and the other is 28L/10R The string of numbers after wards is the date and time that its out of service. Format is YYMMDDHHMM[/QUOTE] Thanks
[quote]SAN FRANCISCO: PILOT FROM ASIANA FLIGHT THAT CRASHED KILLING 2 AND INJURING 181 WAS IN 'TRAINING' AND HAD ONLY 47 HOURS.[/quote] [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] CNN has a ton of information being dumped. NTSB has analyzed the black box initially now [quote]On the runway, medics found the bodies of the two teen girls lying next to burning wreckage. They were identified by Asiana Airlines as Ye Mengyuan and Wang Linjia, both Chinese nationals.[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/plane-crash-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]
Someones jumping the gun on the number of hours that pilot has. Minimally just to fly in the US and get paid to do so he needs 1000 hours. If the hours it refers to is the amount of hours he's had on the 777 than he's not in training, he only needs around 35 hours to get rated on that aircraft. He can't be in command because he might not have an ATP license though.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41355174]Someones jumping the gun on the number of hours that pilot has. Minimally just to fly in the US and get paid to do so he needs 1000 hours. If the hours it refers to is the amount of hours he's had on the 777 than he's not in training, he only needs around 35 hours to get rated on that aircraft. He can't be in command because he might not have an ATP license though.[/QUOTE] South Korean pilot though .. no way in hell a US pilot with only 47 hours would be in any type of commercial jetliner on those flights
[QUOTE=areolop;41355250]South Korean pilot though .. no way in hell a US pilot with only 47 hours would be in any type of commercial jetliner on those flights[/QUOTE] FAA has requirements for foreign pilots, usually they find the equivalent license required in the country of origin and say thats fine.. So either way he has to meet FAA requirements. And this source confirms it. [url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-07/asiana-air-crash-may-bring-new-safety-regulations-in-south-korea.html[/url] He was transitioning from the Boeing 737 to the 777. He didn't just have 47 hours, he had 47 hours on just the 777.
It was so scary hearing about this. I was just at the SF airport not even two weeks ago.
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68593000/jpg/_68593615_plane_crash_624.jpg[/img] So much FOD... Beeb also added in: [quote]Asiana confirmed that two female Chinese teenagers died in the crash. They had been seated at the back of the aircraft. They are believed to be the first-ever fatalities in a Boeing 777 crash. [B]San Francisco's coroner is currently trying to establish whether one of the two fatalities occurred after a passenger was run over by an emergency vehicle rushing to the scene of the crash.[/B][/quote] To survive a crash and get taken out by an emergency vehicle of all things would justifiably suck.
[QUOTE=areolop;41354149]From what others are saying, the glide path was down as well. NOTAM: SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359 "SFO Navigation Instrument Landing System Runway 28L Glide Path Out of Service Effective from 13/06/01/1400-13/08/22/2359" Not sure if that affects the PAPI though[/QUOTE] As far as I understand PAPI is an entirely manual system that is basically an optical illusion depending on how you look at it. Like the lenses are adjusted so at the right angle you see the right combo of lights. Mind you, this could be completely wrong I have never found a good explanation of how it actually works.
PAPI and VASI are just lights. They dont get affected by any other system unless power is lost. PAPI: [IMG]http://www.m0a.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/papi.gif[/IMG] VASI (tri color): [IMG]http://www.americanflyers.net/aviationlibrary/pilots_handbook/images/chapter_12_img_29.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41355392]FAA has requirements for foreign pilots, usually they find the equivalent license required in the country of origin and say thats fine.. So either way he has to meet FAA requirements. And this source confirms it. [url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-07/asiana-air-crash-may-bring-new-safety-regulations-in-south-korea.html[/url] He was transitioning from the Boeing 737 to the 777. He didn't just have 47 hours, he had 47 hours on just the 777.[/QUOTE] From what I've heard in the past, if you can fly one Boeing you could fly them all, minus the 727 or 707 maybe. Aside from different weights and speeds which are different for every flight anyway no matter the plane, they're very similar
Oh god, being in a plane crash is one my greatest fears. I hope everyone is okay.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41364551]From what I've heard in the past, if you can fly one Boeing you could fly them all, minus the 727 or 707 maybe. Aside from different weights and speeds which are different for every flight anyway no matter the plane, they're very similar[/QUOTE] Actually you can't. The type rating for the 777 will only allow you to fly the 787 and the type rating for the 757 will also let you fly the 767, but the 737 doesn't share a common type rating with any other Boeing plane. While they might be similar the FAA has found that there is a big enough difference that you need to train with those planes specifically before you are rated to fly them.
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