• Suicide bomber kills at least 10 people at Domodedovo Airport, Moscow.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;27645841] but in any case, while i don't support killing or violence of any kind, i fully believe in the rights of a certain amount of people to hold independence. russia doesn't have a good track record when it comes to independence. i'd be a hypocrite for supporting a free tibet but not a free chechnya[/QUOTE] Just to be clear, can I ask you? Do you also support ETA (Basques) , IRA (Northern Ireland separatists), Kurdish terrorists, Abkhazian separatists, Quebec sovereignty movement and every other separatists?
Stop arguing people. This is sad :saddowns:
[quote] but in any case, while i don't support killing or violence of any kind, i fully believe in the rights of a certain amount of people to hold independence. russia doesn't have a good track record when it comes to independence. i'd be a hypocrite for supporting a free tibet but not a free chechnya [/quote] There's a difference. Tibet was an independent country occupied by China at 1949-50. Chechniya never was.
[QUOTE=Fatman55;27646335]Stop arguing people. This is sad :saddowns:[/QUOTE] Not that I like to argue, I just hate when some 'free everyone' terrorist-defending bigot is trying to talk on things he does not know shit about, spewing stamps 'freedom-fighters' all over the place.
i don't think i've ever said any of those things if a certain amount of people wish to become free then i don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to i don't condone violence, don't put things in my mouth please [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;27646277]Just to be clear, can I ask you? Do you also support ETA (Basques) , IRA (Northern Ireland separatists), Kurdish terrorists, Abkhazian separatists, Quebec sovereignty movement and every other separatists?[/QUOTE] one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter but i'm strictly anti-violence
For those wondering, this whole ordeal is political, not religious. Guess who funded the Mujihadeen (with weapons and money) in the 80's to fight the "...godless communists" in Afghanistan? The United States. Why was the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the first place? To stop the spread of militant Islam extremists from destabilizing the region and the N. Caucasus. What ever became of the Mujihadeen after they successfully took over Afghanistan? Some of the veteran fighters started their own militias such as Al Qaeda. It's all politics.
CCTV Video: Moment of explosion caught on tape at Domodedovo airport [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO7gZobaqY[/media]
[QUOTE=thisispain;27646495]i don't think i've ever said any of those things if a certain amount of people wish to become free then i don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to i don't condone violence, don't put things in my mouth please [/QUOTE] The 'bigot' part wasn't about you. And what's about 'certain amount of people' - there's no freedom fighting in Caucasus. At all. 90% of their population is OK with how they live. They are not opressed, it's been a while since 1944. They are not fighting for freedom. The terrorists are behind all these acts of civilian murder, and they want all these things to be justified as 'freedom fighting'. As I already said, they also wreck chaos in Caucasus itself. How is that 'fighting for freedom'?
you can't deny russian interference in chechnya, historically there's been nothing but political strife in that area i don't know know if it wouldn't stop terrorism but it would help if they laid off
[QUOTE=thisispain;27646601]you can't deny russian interference in chechnya[/QUOTE] I can. Because, there was never such country 'Chechnya'. So there couln't be any kind of 'interference'. It's states' histry and civilisation came in reality with Russian conquerors.
[QUOTE=gudman;27646629]I can. Because, there was never such country 'Chechnya'. So there couln't be any kind of 'interference'. It's states' histry and civilisation came in reality with Russian conquerers.[/QUOTE] if a group of people wish to call their country chechnya i have no problem with that [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_people[/url]
[QUOTE=thisispain;27646637]if a group of people wish to call their country chechnya i have no problem with that [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_people[/url][/QUOTE] So when I say my home is a separate state 'Andrewland' it's just like that? It automatically means that there's a state?
[QUOTE=gudman;27646646]So when I say my home is a separate state 'Andrewland' it's just like that?[/QUOTE] yeah why not if you feel oppressed rebel not much good will come out of it but when a group of people want to preserve their language or culture i don't see any problem i do however see a problem with using terrorism and violence to further it i think this says it the best: [IMG]http://worldsfamousphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/budist_monk_on_fire.jpg[/IMG] sometimes you just cannot go on while being pushed, i can sympathize with that
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;27645803]Warning, FUCKING NSFW. Said to be the head of the terrorist. [media]http://www.apacheclips.com/files/2994012c3583.jpg[/media] [/QUOTE] FUCK, man. I missed the words "of the" and that gave me the shock of my life.
[QUOTE=thisispain;27646657]yeah why not if you feel oppressed rebel not much good will come out of it but when a group of people want to preserve their language or culture i don't see any problem [/QUOTE] But they do preserve their cultural and lingual identity, that's why they are a [b]Republic[/b], not [b]Region[/b]. They have their own government.
[QUOTE=gudman;27646680]But they do preserve their cultural and lingual identity, that's why they are a [b]Republic[/b], not [b]Region[/b]. They have their own government.[/QUOTE] well since 1991 that is i'm just saying you can't really sweep this under a rug and go "oh those silly chechen are just being silly"
That is so terrible. The pictures are so fucked up.
[QUOTE=thisispain;27646685]well since 1991 that is i'm just saying you can't really sweep this under a rug and go "oh those silly chechen are just being silly"[/QUOTE] Never said that. I don't blame Chechens or Dagestani or any other people. It was a terrorist organisations who are responsibile for acts of mass murder. What I'm saying is that Caucasian people are okay with living in Russian Federation. They are not oppressed. And they are not rebels. Terrorists want you to mix them, and think that murders are justified And I certainly believe that one of their goals is to start a hate-fire in Russia against Caucasians, so they could declare their war and be supported. Don't believe them, that's what I'm saying.
[QUOTE=Archy;27644365]how delusional are you[/QUOTE] So you are telling me that they still had blown themselves up, if they weren't Muslims? *Oh i see that the anti-semitic freedom fighter terrorist lover political correctness brigade is here.
[QUOTE=gudman;27646712]Never said that. I don't blame Chechens or Dagestani or any other people. It was a terrorist organisations who are responsibile for acts of mass murder. What I'm saying is that Caucasian people are okay with living in Russian Federation. They are not oppressed. And they are not rebels. Terrorists want you to mix them, and think that murders are justified And I certainly believe that one of their goals is to start a hate-fire in Russia against Caucasians, so they could declare their war and be supported. Don't believe them, that's what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] no i understand what you mean but what i said was mostly a reaction to: "there was never such country 'Chechnya'." i disagree with that sentiment
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27646786]So you are telling me that they still had blown themselves up, if they weren't Muslims? *Oh i see that the anti-semitic freedom fighter terrorist lover political correctness brigade is here.[/QUOTE] What if they were Christian, what would your argument be? Maybe it's not their religion but their political view. Maybe it's neither, but association does not automatically assume causation.
[QUOTE=gudman;27646277]Just to be clear, can I ask you? Do you also support ETA (Basques) , IRA (Northern Ireland separatists), Kurdish terrorists, Abkhazian separatists, Quebec sovereignty movement and every other separatists?[/QUOTE] Believing a country should be free doesn't mean he supports murder to that effect you fucking idiot. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27646786]So you are telling me that they still had blown themselves up, if they weren't Muslims? *Oh i see that the anti-semitic freedom fighter terrorist lover political correctness brigade is here.[/QUOTE] Can you just drink some molten lead and save everyone else a bit of grief?
[QUOTE=BCell;27629073]Wait, isn't this the same year where Modern Warfare 2 got started?[/QUOTE] No MW2 starts in the year 2016 I believe.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27646786] *Oh i see that the anti-semitic freedom fighter terrorist lover political correctness brigade is here.[/QUOTE] better than the gigantic run on sentence brigade
This is the reason why when I fly in uniform (although it's in the US) I'm always nervous as shit. Even if I'm not in uniform I'm still staring everyone down. Being in the military (Air Force) opens your eyes to a lot of things.
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;27647306]This is the reason why when I fly in uniform (although it's in the US) I'm always nervous as shit. Even if I'm not in uniform I'm still staring everyone down. Being in the military (Air Force) opens your eyes to a lot of things.[/QUOTE] All public spaces with a lot of people make me nervous. More people = bigger attraction to terrorists. I can only imagine how bad it feels to be one of their "enemies" and being pretty much helpless against a bomber.
[QUOTE=thisispain;27647147]no i understand what you mean but what i said was mostly a reaction to: "there was never such country 'Chechnya'." i disagree with that sentiment[/QUOTE] But there was no country. It was a... you know, tribe. Tribes can not be compared with states. Chechens was just another tribe being conquered by the Russian Empire. That's what empires do. Stop trying to judje history with modern day terms, or we will end up calling Roman Empire a 'nazi'. [QUOTE=bravehat;27647225]Believing a country should be free doesn't mean he supports murder to that effect you fucking idiot. [/QUOTE] By 'support' I meant supporting their rights to be 'free' (from god damn what?), not acts of mass murder. Because I don't see the diffirence between Caucasian 'freedom fighters' and their Basque or Irish collegues. Because the diffirence is none. But your brain is probably too small to understand it anyway.
[QUOTE=gudman;27647535]But there was no country. It was a... you know, tribe. Tribes can not be compared with states. Chechens was just another tribe being conquered by the Russian Empire. That's what empires do. Stop trying to judje history with modern day terms, or we will end up calling Roman Empire a 'nazi'. By 'support' I meant supporting their rights to be 'free' (from god damn what?), not acts of mass murder. Because I don't see the diffirence between Caucasian 'freedom fighters' and their Basque or Irish collegues. Because the diffirence is none. But your brain is probably too small to understand it anyway.[/QUOTE] This is what most Russians think. I come from this region, and for a fact i know how much bad shit has happen there to the point where it has to come to this. The first was, well i do you say this different. The first war we won and were independent. Where the troops were about a ratio 80-85% chechen and what ever is left from other parts of the region. While the second war went to hell, where we were 40-50% chechen more coming from the FFN which is why its like this so. Also the reason why most of the "Militians" are not from Chechnya anymore cause they either moved out, or have been killed. You pump an ass ton of money in there for a reason, cause you bombed the fuck out of the region for ever. Both sides are to blame for all this mess. You can't just blame Chechnya.
[QUOTE=laxplayer77alt;27647732] You can't just blame Chechnya.[/QUOTE] If you read my posts, you can see that I agree with you. I do not blame Chechnya. At all. Never was. Actually, I feel a pain for these Chechens, who came up as a victims of dirty and unjust Second war. But in what I can see coming to Chechnya (and I do often, I'm journalist) is that Chechens have nothing to blame Russian [b]people[/b] for. And have nothing against us. Can't say the same on Russian government, but that's where I agree with them once again. So I'm drawing to conclusion, that acts of murder are done by anyone, but these who are supported by peoples opinion. And also I'm one of these who are loudly opposing fucking populists here, declaring that they want to see 'Grozny in ruins again'.
[url]http://rt.com/news/modern-warfare-execution-airport/[/url] I doubt I could watch Russia Today seriously anymore.
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