• Czech Parliament Approves Citizens’ Right to Bear Arms
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[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52412337]Not to mention not every average joe shmoe knows exactly [I]where[/I] to get a gun illegally. What are they going to do, look up 'illegalguns.net?'[/QUOTE] Small arms smuggling is huge, if you know people you can absolutely buy a gunillegally off the streets. It [B]is[/B] actually that easy.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;52413295]americans in this threads are just too funny[/QUOTE] Like Europeans in every other gun related thread?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52412991]Well when criminals, terrorists, and/or militias who are trying to kill you and/or destroy your village/city/country have guns, with what else are you supposed to defend yourself?[/QUOTE] If they have bombs, you gonna defend yourself with bombs? Besides, gun crime in Europe is close to non existent in comparison to the US.
[QUOTE=Araknid;52413371]If they have bombs, you gonna defend yourself with bombs?[/QUOTE] Uhm... Yeah? Like I know that's a hypothetical question but yeah if an enemy force used explosives against you, it's kinda justified to return with similar fire for your own defense. (Not always practical depending on the situation, but completely justified)
[QUOTE=NovaConsors;52413378]Uhm... Yeah? Like I know that's a hypothetical question but yeah if an enemy force used explosives against you, it's kinda justified to return with similar fire for your own defense. (Not generally practical, however)[/QUOTE] So civilians carrying and planting/throwing around bombs? lol We're talking about civilians here, not police or military.
[QUOTE=Araknid;52413382]So civilians carrying and planting around bombs? lol We're talking about civilians here, not police or military.[/QUOTE] Not talking about if from a feasibility in practice standpoint, I am talking about it in a moral justification standpoint. People are justified in using violence to protect themselves from the violence of others, explosives included. So I say again [QUOTE](Not always practical depending on the situation, but completely justified)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;52411180]I don't see the problem with responsible gun ownership. Besides, if someone wanted to use a gun illegally, they'd get their hands on one anyways from the black market.[/QUOTE] That's never struck me as a sensible argument. This isn't a binary issue of either having access to weapons or not having access to weapons - it's about how easy they are to obtain. I'm sure that with enough time, money, and effort I could get my hands on weapons-grade plutonium if I really wanted to.
I feel like making it easier for people to carry guns makes life for police officers much harder, especially during traffic stops and such. Over here in the Netherlands you can get a license (with a whole bunch of restrictions) and it's not allowed to carry your gun in public unless it's locked up etc. Since 1977 14 cops have died during their work here, none of which were during traffic stops
I'd prefer if this didn't become a thing throughout Europe.
[QUOTE=NovaConsors;52413392]Not talking about if from a feasibility in practice standpoint, I am talking about it in a moral justification standpoint. People are justified in using violence to protect themselves from the violence of others, explosives included.[/QUOTE] It actually makes me concerned that people have a mindset. That old saying "And eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" still holds true, I think. Also, my reaction to this new gun law is basically 'Okay... but for why?" and I'm sure other Europeans feel the same.
I can understand the reason but, much like other european users have already stated, I'd prefer it if this didn't spread. To me there are more cons than there are pros with the biggest one being hillbillies wanting to play weekend warrior at the cost of more guns ending up in circulation. Unless heavily restricted and monitored I don't think constitutionalized rights to own weapons is something good. Plus, the majority of european police and security forces are more than capable of solving situations involving criminals and depending on the country they often don't need to use guns since the bad guys don't have any firearms of their own. Quite frankly I'm disturbed by the fact that so many americans seem to view this as something positive when it's not exactly working out well for them (and never will) untill they actually start to toughen up regulations and background checks. When there's weekly articles of school shootings or nutjobs going on a crazed mayhem you obviously have a problem.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52412192]Heres hoping it does spread, gun ownership is a wonderful hobby.[/QUOTE] I don't consider owning devices specifically designed to kill people a "wonderful hobby".
[QUOTE=Scot;52413661]I don't consider owning devices specifically designed to kill people a "wonderful hobby".[/QUOTE] You've never been target shooting? I don't see how it's any worse of a hobby than, say, archery.
[QUOTE=Scot;52413661]I don't consider owning devices specifically designed to kill people a "wonderful hobby".[/QUOTE] What matters is what you use them for, not what they're designed to do.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52412991]Well when criminals, terrorists, and/or militias who are trying to kill you and/or destroy your village/city/country have guns, with what else are you supposed to defend yourself?[/QUOTE] the armed forces which you support with your contributions they do a better job of protecting the country than you do because by supporting them with taxes they can focus on fighting
[QUOTE=jiggu;52413263]What exactly do you think goes on in Europe?[/QUOTE] What do you think goes on in the U.K.? Just yesterday the Islamic Militia of Warwickshire burned down the neighbouring village, the day before that the Labour Defence League burned down a UKIP members house, get a grip mate. We don't "demonise" guns here, we just don't see them as a right or a requirement, here the vast majority of people both trust the police to deal with incidents and don't want more lax gun laws. I think that people saying they want more lax gun laws in the rest of Europe (Mostly Americans it seems) are quite frankly Ignorant of the cultural differences, and why those gun laws are in place.
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;52413709]What do you think goes on in the U.K.? Just yesterday the Islamic Militia of Warwickshire burned down the neighbouring village, the day before that the Labour Defence League burned down a UKIP members house, get a grip mate. We don't "demonise" guns here, we just don't see them as a right or a requirement, here the vast majority of people both trust the police to deal with incidents and don't want more lax gun laws. I think that people saying they want more lax gun laws in the rest of Europe (Mostly Americans it seems) are quite frankly Ignorant of the cultural differences, and why those gun laws are in place.[/QUOTE] Pretty much, though I wouldn't mind the FAC being opened up to a couple of extra calibres, you're stuck with .22LR and Shotguns atm and the FAC is such a tight thing to get and maintain that I have no worries about such weapons being used to harm another person more than they already are. Other than that I'm happy with our gun laws.
[QUOTE=Scot;52413661]I don't consider owning devices specifically designed to kill people a "wonderful hobby".[/QUOTE] This is also a pretty shitty mindset. Guns can be really fun to take target shooting.
In fact, the vast majority of the world thinks gun ownership is silly and gonna be disastrous. Its part of the US culture after 2 centuries of history, not the rest of the developed world, keep it to your country.
It's pretty shitty how everyone always takes turns shitting on Americans for enjoying guns.
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;52413801]It's pretty shitty how everyone always takes turns shitting on Americans for enjoying guns.[/QUOTE] Nobody is saying you can't. But gun ownership in developed countries is largely dominated by America, which most countries are not looking to follow because it ain't compatible.
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;52413801]It's pretty shitty how everyone always takes turns shitting on Americans for enjoying guns.[/QUOTE] for the whole world, the gun is a mundane and functional item much like a toilet or shovel is for some americans it's the strange basis of an entire culture
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;52413801]It's pretty shitty how everyone always takes turns shitting on Americans for enjoying guns.[/QUOTE] Not really when there's a very serious problem with gun crime over there. This mentality exhibited by many Americans always reminds me of brainwashing, being unable to see a problem where one very clearly exists.
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;52413801]It's pretty shitty how everyone always takes turns shitting on Americans for enjoying guns.[/QUOTE] We're shitting on Americans that want Europe to have guns as well. I'd rather not. (I have two firearms for hunting purposes and I'm still saying that)
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;52411180]I don't see the problem with responsible gun ownership. Besides, if someone wanted to use a gun illegally, they'd get their hands on one anyways from the black market.[/QUOTE] You can get an off-record clean Makarov for 200$ around here. Don't ask me where in PM please. [editline]29th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=kevinspacey;52411255]the czechs have always had relaxed attitudes towards firearms in stark contrast to most of the rest of the EU [/QUOTE] IIRC, they had very lax laws on drugs, going as so far as having cocaine is legal? Yeah boiii [quote]Under the Regulation No. 467/2009 Coll, possession of the following amounts or less of illicit drugs was to be considered smaller than large for the purposes of the Criminal Code and was to be treated as a misdemeanor subject to a fine equal to a parking ticket:[28] Marijuana 15 grams (or five plants) Hashish 5 grams Magic mushrooms 40 pieces Peyote 5 plants [B]LSD 5 tablets[/B] Ecstasy 4 tablets [B]Amphetamine 2 grams Methamphetamine 2 grams Heroin 1.5 grams[/B] Coca 5 plants [B]Cocaine 1 gram[/B][/quote] Sounds like my country alright.
[QUOTE=Scot;52413661]I don't consider owning devices specifically designed to kill people a "wonderful hobby".[/QUOTE] Neither do I, which is why firearms are wonderful since theyre not specifically designed to kill people. But good luck on the whole demonizing thing! [editline]29th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Scot;52413916]Not really when there's a very serious problem with gun crime over there. This mentality exhibited by many Americans always reminds me of brainwashing, being unable to see a problem where one very clearly exists.[/QUOTE] Its not a gun problem lol. Gun crime rates have been on the decline despite guns becoming more and more prevalent every year. Its a people problem more than anything else. But I like how you tote that people from the US are brainwashed despite you being completely unable to listen to logic when it comes to firearms. You see them as all being horrific killing machines when that is blatantly not true.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52414012]Neither do I, which is why firearms are wonderful since theyre not specifically designed to kill people. But good luck on the whole demonizing thing! You see them as all being horrific killing machines when that is blatantly not true.[/QUOTE] Thank you for cementing my belief that some americans are beyond reason.
[QUOTE=Scot;52414023]Thank you for cementing my belief that some americans are beyond reason.[/QUOTE] And thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't reply to your posts anymore. Its like talking to a parrot that just berrates you for having a hobby.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52414027]And thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't reply to your posts anymore. Its like talking to a parrot that just berrates you for having a hobby.[/QUOTE] I have no issue with hobbies and I'm sure you are a perfectly responsible gun owner but perpetuating the belief that guns don't exist to kill people is dangerous. Accepting guns as a fact of life is part of the reason the US is the way it is.
[QUOTE=Scot;52414035]I have no issue with hobbies and I'm sure you are a perfectly responsible gun owner but perpetuating the belief that guns don't exist to kill people is dangerous. Accepting guns as a fact of life is part of the reason the US is the way it is.[/QUOTE] Ill give you the benefit of the doubt here and see if you'll actually read and understand my post before you start berrating me again; The issue with murder rates in the US isnt because of firearms. Owning a gun doesn't give you a powertrip or make you blood thirsty. The amount of guns in the US have only ever increased and despite that, the homicide rate and rate of violence with them has been steadily dropping. The issue very clearly doesnt start with guns. Its a people problem. Guns are just the tools those people use. If they didn't have guns, theyd manufacture them. If they couldn't make them, theyd use knives, if they couldn't use knives theyd use flathead screwdrivers. The problem isn't guns dood, its very clearly not. Any amount of research would tell you this but youre stuck in your prejudices and absolutely refuse to move from them. Saying that all guns are designed to kill isn't just blatantly wrong, its dumb.
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