• Czech Parliament Approves Citizens’ Right to Bear Arms
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[QUOTE=bdd458;52418639]All of these things have happened at gun ranges. They're not some magical special anti-criminal force-field.[/QUOTE] They are more securely maintained, though. [QUOTE]What about for people whose home IS their range? Like a lot of people in rural areas? What about for places that aren't ranges but people take their guns for use (like historical reenactors)? It would be pretty damn pointless if I had to have my SMLE in non-operating condition and can't use it for reenacting.[/QUOTE] Don't know how it works for people with hunting licenses who practice in rural areas. As for historical reenaction? I don't see why you can't just use replicas. Are you saying Europeans should have laxer gun laws so that they can do historical reenactions with real weapons.
I don't think having to store their property somewhere they don't own and don't have guaranteed access to so a mom in the bay area can feel somehow safer is going to fly for most Americans. Nor should it, of course. Dunno why any gun owner would be alright with that. That'd definitely be the point where a bunch of tragic boating accidents happen and people start digging mysterious holes in their back yard at night, for some reason.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52418654] They are more securely maintained, though.[/quote] This is an assumption based on your preconceived notions. While some are well protected, others aren't as so. Just like people's homes! [QUOTE=_Axel;52418654]I don't see why you can't just use replicas[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;zCGLUUwDiEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGLUUwDiEg[/video] even then though it's just an example of guns being used outside of a range.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52418669]This is an assumption based on your preconceived notions. While some are well protected, others aren't as so. Just like people's homes![/QUOTE] Are you talking about American shooting ranges or European ones? [QUOTE][video=youtube;zCGLUUwDiEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGLUUwDiEg[/video] even then though it's just an example of guns being used outside of a range.[/QUOTE] I don't see your point.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52418681]I don't see your point.[/QUOTE] That there are legitimate uses for guns outside of a range that replicas won't be useful for?
[QUOTE=bdd458;52418687]That there are legitimate uses for guns outside of a range that replicas won't be useful for?[/QUOTE] Why won't replicas be useful for a reenaction? Furthermore, is the accuracy of reenactions worth endangering the general population?
Almost everyone defending guns in this thread is an American. The poor guys just don't know any better :disappoint:
[QUOTE=_Axel;52418690]Why won't replicas be useful for a reenaction?[/quote] Did you not watch the video I showed? Those are all weapons firing blanks, something a non-functioning replica can't do. Reenacting is part of the reenactor, and part for the public. To bring history to life and share knowledge of the past with others - and a part of that is the military side of things. You can not to that to the best of your abilities with non-functioning weapons. Europe does have a thriving reenacting community btw. [QUOTE=_Axel;52418690]Furthermore, is the accuracy of reenactions worth endangering the general population?[/QUOTE] I don't think I know of many reenactments where members of the public have gotten hurt (it always seems to be other reenactors). Even then, those cases are so rare, and have been the push for better eyes on safety. If you're insinuating that the rifles/MGs/Whatever that reenactors have, have been stolen or used for crime, I'd love to see some sources (and that's its a continuous problem, and not just isolated cases). But even then that's besides the point, there are legitmate uses for guns outside of a range, mine was more of a hobbyist example. Self-Defense is a much bigger (and stronger) reason anyway.
Alright, this discussion made me feel like digging up an old post regarding storing your own weapons outside your home. [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;49918420]The last time someone proposed a similar concept here, [I]everyone[/I] went against it because it would have been a massive nightmare for safety, logistics, economy, and bureaucracy. First you'd have to make room for all those guns. Then you'd have to burden some poor sod with the legal responsibility of storing the guns of a bunch of strangers. Imagine being put in charge of such a massive armory, with so many guns in a single place, and consider the risks of those weapons getting stolen. Heck, consider their [I]maintenance[/I]. Is your armory going to have a public-accessible workshop for the owners to clean and fix up their firearms (with the added safety issues and legal troubles that come with it), or are you going to hire (and pay) some experienced gunsmiths for that? Plot twist, the guy you hired made a small mistake while cleaning an old and obscure rifle, and as a result the firing mechanism is now lodged into the user's cranium. Ha ha, incoming lawsuits! (and funerals) And most of all, home defense. It's a thing. "If I hadn't had my gun, my family would be dead" is something you can hear from many people, including various FP users. Now guess what happens if you make public gun storage mandatory. All this, just to restrict firearm access from the ones who went through all the legal hurdles to prove they were fit for firearm ownership. A category that is the least likely to commit crimes in the first place. And this is why a tiny European country with a tiny fraction of America's guns opposed public armories. Should you still want to go through with your idea, take all the issues above and multiply them by several millions. I think I've made my point.[/QUOTE] Also, [QUOTE=_Axel;52418681]Are you talking about American shooting ranges or European ones?[/QUOTE] Does it matter? Rental guns at my local range are often maintained like [I]utter shit[/I]. I'd never trust my beloved gats into the hands of those barbarians.
[QUOTE=TYBG;52418712]Almost everyone defending guns in this thread is an American. The poor guys just don't know any better :disappoint:[/QUOTE] Sounds like you are the one that doesn't know any better. If the American gun situation was really so awful, wouldn't we be anti gun? I feel pity for you, you have not tasted true freedom and therefore cannot appreciate it. You are ignorant not by choice, but by circumstance. You really don't know what you are missing out on.
[QUOTE=TYBG;52418712]Almost everyone defending guns in this thread is an American. The poor guys just don't know any better :disappoint:[/QUOTE] Almost everyone shunning guns in this thread is from a country where they're illegal. The poor guys just don't know any better :disappoint:
[QUOTE=NovaConsors;52418982]If the American gun situation was really so awful, wouldn't we be anti gun?[/QUOTE] If you haven't experienced other countries' gun laws then perhaps you don't know how awful it truly is. [QUOTE=NovaConsors;52418982]I feel pity for you, you have not tasted true freedom and therefore cannot appreciate it. You are ignorant not by choice, but by circumstance. You really don't know what you are missing out on.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you're trolling because this is absolutely hilarious. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of CanUBe" - Kiwi))[/highlight]
You know that there are people in your very own country that are pro-gun right? Not everyone in countries that are fairly anti-gun are anti-gun themselves.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52419085]You know that there are people in your very own country that are pro-gun right? Not everyone in countries that are fairly anti-gun are anti-gun themselves.[/QUOTE] You know there are people in yours that are anti-gun right? Look back at my first post, it's still a large majority that don't want guns in most countries in Europe.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52419085]You know that there are people in your very own country that are pro-gun right? Not everyone in countries that are fairly anti-gun are anti-gun themselves.[/QUOTE] When tight gun control was introduced in Australia it passed with huge support from both the Liberal and Labour parties. Parties advocating for looser gun laws (e.g. the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party) are fringe groups with little to no representation in parliament. It's clear that a vast majority of Australians are happy with their gun laws as they are.
[QUOTE=NovaConsors;52418982] I feel pity for you, you have not tasted true freedom and therefore cannot appreciate it. You are ignorant not by choice, but by circumstance. You really don't know what you are missing out on.[/QUOTE] I'm in the middle on the gun argument but I gotta say this post is so silly, dude lol.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52411223]Czech Republic has some fairly lax gunlaws as is. You are legally able to own automatics, with a relatively easy to pass background check. Either way, I'm glad to hear this. More countries need the right to keep and bear arms.[/QUOTE] I'd like to point out that we're talking about a central European country here. The background checks are generally so simple to clear because there isn't that much needed extra into the system. Just consider the fact that everyone is issued an ID at fifteen.
[QUOTE=TYBG;52419076]If you haven't experienced other countries' gun laws then perhaps you don't know how awful it truly is. Please tell me you're trolling because this is absolutely hilarious.[/QUOTE] You're right, if I lived in AUS I would have never had any issues with gun violence. Unlike America where I have..... had no issues with gun violence? Wait. Something doesn't add up here. I should have been shot by now. :glare:
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[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52419183]because the world needs more people with guns[/QUOTE] If they are used for recreation and defense, is that an issue?
[QUOTE=NovaConsors;52419188]If they are used for recreation and defense, is that an issue?[/QUOTE] Yes because people won't just use them for those purposes. I know it might come as a shock to you but people use guns to do bad things too and this country is better off without them. Of course this argument won't make any sense to you because you have a bizarre level of emotional attachment to a tool people use to kill stuff with.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52419215]Yes because people won't just use them for those purposes. I know it might come as a shock to you but people use guns to do bad things too and this country is better off without them. Of course this argument won't make any sense to you because you have a bizarre level of emotional attachment to a tool people use to kill stuff with.[/QUOTE] And people will also use cars, hammers and axes for things they weren't intended for, but are you paranoid about any of those tools? I find it funny that you can't seem to trust your everyday citizen with a gun, but you probably don't bat an eye at the two ton death machines speeding at 50mph all around you every day. If you can't trust your fellow man, that's a personal issue, all freedoms come at a cost, and if you have no love for freedom, I have no love for you. And personally, I'd rather be a hoplophile than a hoplophobe.
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;52419094]You know there are people in yours that are anti-gun right? Look back at my first post, it's still a large majority that don't want guns in most countries in Europe.[/QUOTE] It's a retort to both that just because you're an American you're pro-gun, and that if you're not American you're anti-gun.
[QUOTE=NovaConsors;52419279]And people will also use cars, hammers and axes for things they weren't intended for, but are you paranoid about any of those tools? I find it funny that you can't seem to trust your everyday citizen with a gun, but you probably don't bat an eye at the two ton death machines speeding at 50mph all around you every day. If you can't trust your fellow man, that's a personal issue, all freedoms come at a cost, and if you have no love for freedom, I have no love for you. And personally, I'd rather be a hoplophile than a hoplophobe.[/QUOTE] Your posts read like satire. Cars hammers and axes exist to perform functions other than kill people, guns were made for that purpose. And as much as people like you like to pretend otherwise you can't kill the same number of people with any of those compared to a firearm. I don't really have anything to say in response to your freedom rant but I guess that's another part of American culture I don't understand.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52419340]Your posts read like satire. Cars hammers and axes exist to perform functions other than kill people, guns were made for that purpose. And as much as people like you like to pretend otherwise you can't kill the same number of people with any of those compared to a firearm. I don't really have anything to say in response to your freedom rant but I guess that's another part of American culture I don't understand.[/QUOTE] Made for =\= used for You really are not understanding the percentage of guns that are actually used for bad. And how many times do I have up bring up recreation, hunting, defense, collecting, etc. And actually you totally can kill just as many without a gun, if not more in some cases. The worst Mass murder in a us school was done with explosives in 1927 and still hasn't been topped. Do you know about Oklahoma City? Daegu subway fire? Osaka school? Machetes in Jos, Nigeria. I could go on. (Just so we are clear, making bombs was already illegal, and obviously the law did not stop them) Typical knife rampages can and have yeilded similar numbers of fatalities to shootings (3-12 from what I've seen) You absolutely do not need a gun if you want to kill a fuck ton of people, and looking at the number of fatalities and how helpless people were to stop the bad guy when it comes to arson, bombs, gas attacks, etc, I would take gun violence over bombings any day of the week. (Not saying that either is good in any way, only that with bombings it is over before you can stop it and the damage is done, whereas shooters can be stopped mid-spree)
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52411153]Hope this is not a trend that's going spread to the rest of europe.[/QUOTE] pffft hahaha, here we go
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52419215]Yes because people won't just use them for those purposes. I know it might come as a shock to you but people use guns to do bad things too and this country is better off without them. Of course this argument won't make any sense to you because you have a bizarre level of emotional attachment to a tool people use to kill stuff with.[/QUOTE]So, everyone who does recreational shooting and has an interest in firearms has a bizarre level of emotional attachment to them because they were originally built to kill? Way to generalize. Maybe it's also because firearms are mechanically advanced and probably one of humanity's biggest mechanical achievements? I don't know man, your argument seems really fractured. I'm not trying to say nobody can do bad with guns, but I am pointing out what I think is generalizing what is a hobby to some.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52418095]So let them prove that responsibility. Apply for a license, pass a test, a health check (And background check) and then and only then be certified to bear arms.[/QUOTE] And then the ATF / Democrats decide they want to hurt gun owners some more and enact special taxes, or even confiscation, and then they have a neat little list of people to target. [QUOTE=NovaConsors;52418162]I know there are definitely some bad aspects, like once I saw an ad in a gun magazine saying something along the lines of "get your man card back" which just made me mad and sad for people who view guns as extensions of ones penis[/QUOTE] Gross but not at all a gun culture thing, more of a "man culture" thing. It's prevalent in everything from beer commercials to bodycare products.
[QUOTE=TYBG;52418712]Almost everyone defending guns in this thread is an American. The poor guys just don't know any better :disappoint:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TYBG;52419076]If you haven't experienced other countries' gun laws then perhaps you don't know how awful it truly is. Please tell me you're trolling because this is absolutely hilarious. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of CanUBe" - Kiwi))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Why does it seem like its impossible for even one of these threads to exist without this cartoonish level condescension? Like, nevermind being for or against it, do you really think implying your average american is dodging gunfire on a day to day basis is something thats even remotely close to reality? Like what the fuck does that even mean dude.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52419903]Why does it seem like its impossible for even one of these threads to exist without this cartoonish level condescension? Like, nevermind being for or against it, do you really think implying your average american is dodging gunfire on a day to day basis is something thats even remotely close to reality? Like what the fuck does that even mean dude.[/QUOTE] It's just CanUBe, he gets like this often.
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