U.S. State University moves to create a segregated Dorm
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You could power a small mill with the body of Martin Luther King Jr. right now because of how fast he's rolling in his grave.
[QUOTE=Azaer;49650643]Can I just take a moment to note how infuriating it is to try and read "ScHOLA2RS House"? It reminds me of that one guy way back when who wRotE lIkE Th1s.[/QUOTE]
Bit insulting to black people. To appeal to them you make spelling errors.
[QUOTE=phygon;49650947]"Anyone who disagrees with me and my attempts at success is a racist"
- a third year [I][B][U]puppetry major[/U][/B][/I]
Yes, the white man is why you as a puppetry major aren't going to be successful.[/QUOTE]
to be fair, puppetry is an important and very well paying art in hollywood moviemaking, however from what ive read and seen those people generally are effects artists and their creations are more robots than puppets these days
[editline]1st February 2016[/editline]
apparently they are one of 2 schools in the nation to offer such a program. i can't actually understand how a segregated dorm will actually help a puppetry major in any way, theres not really any tutoring for that stuff and its all based on subjective markings, unlike a STEM degree which might benefit from tutoring and help because of the immense volumes of knowledge one must learn in these fields
UConn is doing this? Very interesting, I go to CCSU if theres any other ct residents in here
Apparently the university received a grant to build the dorm. I wonder if the purpose of the dorm was the reason for the grant or if it was something they decided to do after they got the money.
I also don't understand how keeping 43 of the approximiately 200 black students segregated from non-black students is supposed to help graduation rates. I'm seeing a whole lot of stuff about "safe spaces for discussion" but nothing about tutoring.
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EDIT: FORGIVE ME I DIDNT READ POST
I thought they were gender-segregating, but they're actually race segregating... okay that's straight fucked
The delicious icing on top of the crap cake:
[QUOTE]“I was not pleased, my immediate thought was ‘What?’” Haddiyyah Ali, a fourth-semester Africana studies and political science major said. “I know there had to be a lot of research that went into it…but just for me coming from a student perspective, my initial thought was [B]what about black women and girls – what about us?[/B]”
“Just this idea that 43 black men get retention programming and everyone else is left in limbo,” Ali said. “I will always contest to the fact that black men on the campus aren’t given enough resources, I will in no way dispel that fact, but my questioning isn’t if they need, but is if they need it in this way.”[/QUOTE]
"It's not bad because it's racial segregation, it's bad because it doesn't help women!"
I just can't even right now with all of the fail in this.
So this isn't true by the way
[url]http://www.snopes.com/blacks-dorm-uconn/[/url]
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;49665610]So this isn't true by the way
[url]http://www.snopes.com/blacks-dorm-uconn/[/url][/QUOTE]
They say it's not true in your link then proceed to quote something describing the thing they're saying its not true. It doesnt matter whether they're building a new dorm for them, their 43 student group of exclusivley black male students is being housed in one location inside a much bigger building.
So basically America is going back to the early '50s. Wow.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;49665610]So this isn't true by the way
[url]http://www.snopes.com/blacks-dorm-uconn/[/url][/QUOTE]
Snopes is being manipulative in it's wording, they are saying that a new dorm isn't being built, but using an area of existing dorm and that it is 'optional' and not mandatory.
This is really disappointing Snopes would mislead people like this with the 'mostly false' icon when it should really be 'mixture'.
[quote] If I apply to live in ScHOLA²RS House, will I be segregated from the rest of campus?
No. Typically, students do not spend their days in their residence hall. Students are in classes across campus, they participate in student organizations, they apply for leadership opportunities and work in offices across campus, they study in the library, they share meals in several dining halls, and so forth. A student’s Learning Community is simply a cohort of students they engage in activities with, such as they would if they joined another organization. It will not encompass a student’s entire college experience. What it will do is provide a group of faculty, staff and students who support each other and encourage the success of its members academically, professionally, and socially. [B]In addition, the 40 ScHOLA²RS House students will live on a floor of over 100 students, so they will engage easily with students from all backgrounds in their residence hall.[/B][/quote]
My Uni has "Living Learning Communities" that operate exactly like this but not based off race or race issues. They all focus on a skill, like Leadership and so fourth. Now that it's cleared up I don't see a problem with it. It's not segregation if its completely voluntary and takes place in a normal dorm. They just group the students together so that they can do their thing better.
The thing just happens to be being a black scholar.
[quote]Students who apply to participate in the ScHOLA²RS House program will live in NextGen Hall, sharing a floor with Innovation House students. NextGen Hall will house over 700 students participating in 8 Learning Communities, providing ample opportunity to engage with students from across majors, interests, and backgrounds: EcoHouse; Engineering House; Eurotech House; STEM Honors House; Innovation House; ScHOLA²RS House; Public Health House; and [B]WiMSE House (Women in Math, Science & Engineering).[/B]
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Also to clarify, this is not UConn's first learning community with a focus on a specific race or gender. For instance,[B] La Comunidad Intelectual[/B] is a thriving community in Brock Hall, and WiMSE (Women in Math, Science and Engineering), located in Watson Hall, is one of our first and consistently most popular.[/quote]
They got one for women, and Spanish(?) folks, too.
It seems the left is becoming a parody of itself. If your ideas or how your ideals manifest turn out to be onion-esque, maybe its time to go back to the drawing board?
The values are worthy. Maybe its how they are being carried out may have a slight flaw in them, eh?
I worked for Residential Life at UConn for about 3 years. I said some dumb shit that got me in trouble on a few occasions, and am familiar with learning communities on campus as one of them was in my housing area.
in fact one of the times that i got into trouble was because i supported an opposition petition to the learning community's movement to my housing area. their moving in was forcing my friends and residents to move to other locations that they did not want to move to. this was going to be a full, 300 person building. so i've got a bit of experience at uconn with this topic specifically.
I think people might be losing focus here on what exactly is going on. There are a huge set of various learning communities on campus - and a huge undergraduate population. Last figure I recall was about 16k on campus residents. ~40 students is tiny. This isn't "segregation" by any means - this is the specific targeting of a disaffected minority group and providing support while housing them near each other. 40 kids is a single floor in a small building, and a fraction of a large building's floor. It looks like the learning community is going to be placed in the same building as multiple others, meaning that it will likely be one of the most diverse dormitories outside of mcmahon.
if this learning community is racist, then so is the african american cultural center (which features a space for all students to visit and with a staff that is specifically tuned to issues facing the african american community), just as the womens' center is sexist, the rainbow center is heterophobic, etc, etc. this means that the international student learning community, which provides widespread specialized support for (often non-white) students, is racist.
the basic facts of it all are this:
1. black male students at uconn and around the nation are less likely to graduate, statistically.
2. integration of education with residence life learning communities has demonstrable effects on academic performance and civic engagement. such civic engagement initiatives are not restricted to members of said community and are open to the student body at large.
3. this isn't compulsory and as such can't really be appropriately compared to segregation.
4. non-black students won't be forbidden from the section of hallway that this will take up.
5. this will be a portion of a single floor in a dormitory designed specifically for learning communities. as such there will be a wide variety of sexes and ethnicities represented.
Wish the source had been more in-depth about what it actually is then, I mean it's balanced in that it gives 3 different view points, but then doesn't really explain what the program is fully. And I wasn't finding anything else talking about this other than weird right-wing blogs.
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They got one for women, and Spanish(?) folks, too.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if I support sex segregation but having separate dorms for different language groups makes sense.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49668782]Not sure if I support sex segregation but having separate dorms for different language groups makes sense.[/QUOTE]
I think most dorms in the US are not coed. The dorms I was in would alternate, so half the floor was males and the other half was females with a common area for elevator/stairs in the center. But that switched sides on each floor. (so a male room on the top floor would have females directly below them, and they'd have males below them, etc)
We needed to use our student ID to swipe into the wings of the dorms so if you wanted to go hang out with the chicks you had to have someone let you in. (if you were using the toilet you could also hear what the people were saying in the dorm below you due to cheap ventilation ducts. Made for some interesting bathroom breaks.)
Let's play a game of storm front or SJW.
"I think blacks should live in their own buildings apart from whites"
[QUOTE=Robman8908;49647147]This is racist... and sexist.
I don't get this weird shit schools keep doing, the whole "fighting racism" by essentially holding black people up on a pedestal for everyone to gawk at. It's literal racism, and very far from any kind of equality.[/QUOTE]
They do it here, with Aborigines. Every time they ask me if i'm of Aboriginal decent, i ask them if they mean the directory meaning or their meaning? Because there is a big difference between their meaning and the dictionary meaning.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49669117]Let's play a game of storm front or SJW.
"I think blacks should live in their own buildings apart from whites"[/QUOTE]
Not an SJW, a BLM member would say that! :v:
[editline]6th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Robman8908;49647147]This is racist... and sexist.
I don't get this weird shit schools keep doing, the whole "fighting racism" by essentially holding black people up on a pedestal for everyone to gawk at. It's literal racism, and very far from any kind of equality.[/QUOTE]
It's a well-known fact that racists are not very bright. Not too far-fetched to believe they'd endorse something like this.
However, MLK and the people who supported his cause back in the '60s must be facepalming so hard at this, they're all breaking their necks.
It's fucking preposterous.
So based on the facts given on the second page I dont really see an issue with this. Seems like a non-issue blown out of proportion to give off the impression that some large scale segregation is happening.
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