Unknown sunken submarine found off of the coast of Sweden
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[quote]The 27th of July 2015 the Swedish Armed Forces received reports from a civilian explorer company of a possible Russian submarine wreckage on the East coast of Sweden. Initial analysis believe that it could be a Som class submarine, and most likely the "Catfish". Nothing is however confirmed as of yet.[2][/quote]
Wikipedia is fast.
[QUOTE=gudman;48308513]Anyway, isn't it kinda fun that we have almost on our own identified the "unknown vessel" using just google, and turns out it was correct, and the guys who reported on it failed to do even that. Quality fucking research right there. Sensationalist as fuck.[/QUOTE]
Haha yea. Filming and finding the ship is still pretty cool. Wonder what they're going to do with it. Let it be? Return it to Russia?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48308344]
It is definitely the sunken Som from 1916.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it weird how well preserved it is though? It's been 100 years.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48308541]Haha yea. Filming and finding the ship is still pretty cool. Wonder what they're going to do with it. Let it be? Return it to Russia?[/QUOTE]
I hope our museums try to get it. It's rare to have such a relic, in pristine condition too. Soviets were notoriously 'appreciating' of historical things, scrapping everything they came by, so there's a severe lack of quality equipment of that period.
Ah man that's cool as fuck. My academic advisor specializes in Maritime Archeology of 16th and 17th century ships; primarily in the Baltic sea mone the less :v:
Though this is a bit later than what he specalizes in. Cool as hell.
Raise it and turn it into one hell of a museum piece.
holy shit, you guys solved this shit so fast :v:
Found some pictures/info of when it was an American ship: [url]http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08462.htm[/url]
[quote]Final Disposition: Delivered to Vladivostok 1904 - to Black Sea Fleet then to Baltic Fleet 1915 - Sunk in collision 10 May 1916.[/quote]
It was the first prototype of the American Plunger/Adder-class: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plunger-class_submarine[/url]
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Pictures of the Plunger-Class: [url]http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08007.htm[/url]
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Those newspaper scans are so cool.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Zba1fH0.jpg[/img]
Look's like science journalism never changed.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48308552]Isn't it weird how well preserved it is though? It's been 100 years.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's true. I have no idea how metal behaves in sea water. The salinity in the Baltic sea is pretty low.
Someone in a Swedish forum mentioned the quality of this airplane which was lifted out of the same sea after laying there for 50 years.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/DC-3_wreck_at_the_Swedish_Air_Force_Museum_(starboard_propeller_and_front).jpg/1920px-DC-3_wreck_at_the_Swedish_Air_Force_Museum_(starboard_propeller_and_front).jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48308631]Yeah that's true. I have no idea how metal behaves in sea water. The salinity in the Baltic sea is pretty low.
Someone in a Swedish forum mentioned the quality of this airplane which was lifted out of the same sea after laying there for 50 years.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/DC-3_wreck_at_the_Swedish_Air_Force_Museum_(starboard_propeller_and_front).jpg/1920px-DC-3_wreck_at_the_Swedish_Air_Force_Museum_(starboard_propeller_and_front).jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
That's some preservation. Looks better than something you'd see in a museum, well, given the fact that it's all fucked up due to sustaining a crash.
[QUOTE=booster;48307454]Some speculations have come forth saying it might be the Russian "Catfish" submarine that sank back in 1916.
Pics of it match the description alright.[/QUOTE]
That's the only things I got from the video in source. "Catfosh" & "Ninton Sixton".
Kinda does look like it tbh. But like others said the condition it's in would suggest it's something much more recent.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48308631]Yeah that's true. I have no idea how metal behaves in sea water. The salinity in the Baltic sea is pretty low.
Someone in a Swedish forum mentioned the quality of this airplane which was lifted out of the same sea after laying there for 50 years.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/DC-3_wreck_at_the_Swedish_Air_Force_Museum_(starboard_propeller_and_front).jpg/1920px-DC-3_wreck_at_the_Swedish_Air_Force_Museum_(starboard_propeller_and_front).jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Looks great, honestly. Ready to fly! :vs:
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48308552]Isn't it weird how well preserved it is though? It's been 100 years.[/QUOTE]
The Baltic has incredibly low salinity, aside from also being a very cold mistress, so her wrecks tend to be very well preserved.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48308363]Is it possible the thing is still holding air? If none of the hatches are open and there are no hull breaches... that'd be smelly. I do hope they attempt to recover it from the seafloor before popping any hatches as any possibly surviving paper items (particularly diaries, etc.) would be ruined by the water.[/QUOTE]
probably not, if its on the bottom of the ocean, its probably slowly filled with water over the years, or the plumbing inside may have failed
[QUOTE=gudman;48308175]Yeah, I didn't check that particular article. By the way, found some info on circumstances of the collision. Russian wiki's article on that particular ("Сомъ") vessel says that it collided with some certain [b]Swedish ship[/b] "Ingermanland", but no particular sources. Same story is repeated apparently all over the web if I try to search the name of the place where it happened, "somewhere near Olandshaf(???)"[/QUOTE]
Steamers name was Ångermanland, (a region i Sweden, Ingermanland was a swedish region ib todays Russia) and she collided with an unknown sunbmarine, not swedish, not german, in Ålands Hav (Sea of Åland) . It is believed since earlier to be the Som.
Location for the find is said to be within 2 nm from middle.Swedish cost, which could be accurate.
Russian Wikipedia shows pictrures that are rather good, and rather alike...
***Edit*** Saw you guys already cracked it before i finnsihed getting an account! Impressing!! :-)
I found this video of an early American Plunger-Class sub, looks like the [I]USS Plunger[/I] itself.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KYskecsky0[/media]
[quote]Plunger was originally laid down on 21 May 1901 at Elizabethport, New Jersey, at Lewis Nixon's Crescent Shipyard. Arthur Leopold Busch supervised the construction of the A-Class submarines built there. [B]The prototype Fulton experimental craft[/B] was laid down at Isaac Rice's Electric Boat Company prior to these first A-class submarines.[/quote]
From Som wiki:
[quote]The first boat, Som, was originally the Fulton, an experimental submarine that was the prototype for the USS Plunger and subsequent Plunger-class submarines. It was sold and delivered to Russia in sections and re-assembled in St. Petersburg.[/quote]
From this page: [url]http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08462.htm[/url]
[quote]Adder Class Submarine Torpedo Boat: Laid down as Fulton. [B]Built at Nixon's Crescent Shipyard in Elizabethport, New Jersey during the summer of 1901.[/B] She was a prototype of the A-Class subs. She was put into service but never commissioned by the Navy. Electric Boat planned to enter Fulton, a company-financed prototype of an 'improved' Holland.
Final Disposition: Delivered to Vladivostok 1904 - to Black Sea Fleet then to Baltic Fleet 1915 - Sunk in collision 10 May 1916.
Specifications: Displacement; Surfaced, 107 t., Submerged, 123 t.; Length 63' 10"; Beam 11' 11"; Draft 10' 7"; Speed, Surfaced, 8 kts, Submerged, 7 kts; Depth Limit 150'; Complement, 1 Officer, 6 Enlisted; Armament, one 18" torpedo tube, 5 torpedoes; Propulsion, Otto Gas Engine Works gasoline engine, HP 160; Fuel Capacity 767 gal.; Electro Dynamic electric motors, HP 150; Battery Cells 60; single screw.[/quote]
So the sub we're likely looking at was an experimental American submarine named the [I]Fulton[/I], which was purchased by the Russians, delivered to Vladivostok in 1904, renamed the [I]Som/Сомъ[/I] the where it served the Russians until it's crash in 1916.
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/yw5Jozz.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Vfs0Qp6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/JE5lVg9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ehIiU0q.jpg[/img]
Those of you that can read Russian might be able to find some more information here: [url]http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=97&p=101[/url]
[B]This ship is 114 years old[/B]
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This submarine was one of the first modern submarines and paved the way for every future submarine. It's a piece of submarine history.
I think this thing deserves it's own wiki page if we ever get any more info on it
By he way.
Already a year ago a Peter Lindberg ask some quesions about the some
[url]http://uboat.net/forums/read.php?23,90033,90033#msg-90033[/url]
This Peter is no other then one of the Ocean X Team. So they did it again, only a few years after finding a UFO and/or Russian installation
Nonetheless, the find is fantastic!
[QUOTE=OvB;48309040]I found this video of an early American Plunger-Class sub, looks like the [I]USS Plunger[/I] itself.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KYskecsky0[/media]
From Som wiki:
From this page: [url]http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08462.htm[/url]
So the sub we're likely looking at was an experimental American submarine named the [I]Fulton[/I], which was purchased by the Russians, delivered to Vladivostok in 1904, renamed the [I]Som/Сомъ[/I] the where it served the Russians until it's crash in 1916.
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/yw5Jozz.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Vfs0Qp6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/JE5lVg9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ehIiU0q.jpg[/img]
Those of you that can read Russian might be able to find some more information here: [url]http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=97&p=101[/url]
[B]This ship is 114 years old[/B]
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This submarine was one of the first modern submarines and paved the way for every future submarine. It's a piece of submarine history.[/QUOTE]
Honestly these don't look anything alike.
The dome on the discovered boat has a completely different shape to any som/plunger ships out there.
Besides there's no way a ship could sit under water (even the beutiful baltic waters) and still be in a shape this is now.
To be honest nearly all the questions about it can be answered by just raising the damn thing back to the surface and I honestly think it should be done.
[QUOTE=Buck.;48309095]Honestly these don't look anything alike.
The dome on the discovered boat has a completely different shape to any som/plunger ships out there.
Besides there's no way a ship could sit under water (even the beutiful baltic waters) and still be in a shape this is now.[/QUOTE]
Here's the dome on the Plunger:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uvR7AXE.jpg[/img]
It's also not unreasonable to think that the Russians change designs/manufacturing styles. The important thing is that the general shape is the same. At that time most of the worlds Subs were designs from that same shipyard. The only ship Russia has on record of sinking in that area that looks like that is the Som.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/OqU4V39.jpg[/img]
This is the propeller of the Titanic. A ship that's been underwater for [B]103 years.[/B] 4 years longer than the Som. Depending on what it was made out of, the decay could be slower. If that recolored image is to be believed, the parts we're seeing were made of brass and would last quite some time. There's also a good chance that a lot of the outer hull has rusted away. You can also see holes and rust on the picture where the letter is visible. It's in good shape, but not new shape.
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Also its likely sitting deeper than its max operating depth. So pressure vessel is likely compromised. Inside is likely wet.
[QUOTE=gudman;48307463]Looks kinda like a part of a number or a letter 'Ъ', which by itself means nothing, it's a utility orthographic device that is only used in conjunction with previous consonant. The best part is that it appears to be at the end of some sequence of letters (because I'm not sure if it's a word), but it's definitely isn't used in any kind of serial numbers or stuff like that... and if it's at the end of the word, it means it's either some private vessel or really old, the "hard sign" Ъ hasn't been used as an actual letter for almost a hundred years. And it sure doesn't look that old. So yay, it's time machine from 1915.[/QUOTE]
You know , russian isn't the only language that uses the letter Ъ
Also, looking at the picture of the Comb and the wreak, it looks like the whole conning tower outer skin is gone entirely. So I wouldn't exactly say it's in amazing condition. We could just find the pressure vessel and find everything else gone. I think the most astonishing thing is that the rope/cable railing is still there.
There's no doubt in my mind were looking at the Comb.
[QUOTE=Reagy;48309152]To be honest nearly all the questions about it can be answered by just raising the damn thing back to the surface and I honestly think it should be done.[/QUOTE]
It's a war grave though, and still property of Russian state. Kind of party killer to that idea, eh?
[QUOTE=Hanibal;48309486]You know , russian isn't the only language that uses the letter Ъ[/QUOTE]
Name [I]one[/I] other state using that letter, operating submersibles on Baltic.
And technically, it's not a letter :eng101:
I'm pretty sure it's the comb too. Can't wait to see some more pictures of the wreck and find out more about the collision.
If you're still skeptical:
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/JXTQdFU.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/MaL52BG.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/uigtf0K.jpg[/img_thumb]
I think they changed the conning tower a bit.
(I had too much free time today)
My imagination wants me to believe its full of horrible lab experiments, Maybe some paranormal scp esque shit.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;48310472]My imagination wants me to believe its full of horrible lab experiments, Maybe some paranormal scp esque shit.[/QUOTE]
In a 20x3 submarine? Good luck with that. Barely enough to move around.
[QUOTE=Hanibal;48309486]You know , russian isn't the only language that uses the letter Ъ[/QUOTE]
Hahah, yeah, I know that Bulgarian language has one, but Bulgaria is quite ways away from Baltic, so I've gone with the most likely one :v:
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48311054]In a 20x3 submarine? Good luck with that. Barely enough to move around.[/QUOTE]
in any case someone is already furiously writing an scp about this sub right now
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