Dutch Parliament: Downloading Movies and Music Will Stay Legal
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Do Many dutch people speak german?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33892519]Piracy shouldn't be legal..[/QUOTE]
I just got a letter of marque by mail. From now on, i am privateering. :yarr:
Finally: Rutte doing something good for this country. It's about damn time!
That is...that's pretty awesome.
Good job, you guys!
"Yeah let's legalize theft, making it impossible for anyone to afford producing films and music in a few years! GREAT, FREEDOM!"
[QUOTE=Niklas;33897581]Do Many dutch people speak german?[/QUOTE]
It's mandatory in middle/highschool as well as English.
isn't french as well? most dutch people i knew learned all three.
[QUOTE=ChinballzV2;33899478]"Yeah let's legalize theft, making it impossible for anyone to afford producing films and music in a few years! GREAT, FREEDOM!"[/QUOTE]
Educate yourself on the "harm" of piracy and the actual reasons for doing it in the first place before making such a blatantly wrong statement. Thank you.
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;33899817]isn't french as well? most dutch people i knew learned all three.[/QUOTE]
2 years of French is mandatory as well, yes. You can choose which one you want to continue learning (Or switch to spanish in some schools) (Choose German/French is what I mean, English is always mandatory throughout your entire highschool career)
[QUOTE=Miskav;33899819]Educate yourself on the "harm" of piracy and the actual reasons for doing it in the first place before making such a blatantly wrong statement. Thank you.
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
I thought laws were made by principle of whats right and wrong, not what's "convinient". ie should we give up on a law just becuase its difficult to maintain?
2 years of French is mandatory as well, yes. You can choose which one you want to continue learning (Or switch to spanish in some schools) (Choose German/French is what I mean, English is always mandatory throughout your entire highschool career)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChinballzV2;33899478]"Yeah let's legalize theft, making it impossible for anyone to afford producing films and music in a few years! GREAT, FREEDOM!"[/QUOTE]
Way to miss the point completely, they haven't legalised it at all, it's just a grey zone.
It's measly something which you can do for [I]personal[/I] use, if you use it for anything other than that you are breaking the law and it's being done as a message from the government to the media industry to get that stick out of their asses and improve their shit services.
What needs to happen is something like Netflix comes along but takes the Steam idea to combating people downloading.
Mass sales, regional/drm/advert free movies (or at least but the ads at the end of the movie or make them skippable for fucks sake), games, other digital media all available right when released and not to have forced subscriptions with hidden shit in the small text, with an easy to use interface which handles everything for you, it can still be a website but it has to fill all those criteria before anyone would likely think of using it over torrents and such.
If something like that existed, I'd use it and I'm sure others will, but if the media industry keeps thinking it can sling its weight around to yank money from countries with dumb bribed politicians (USA, UK, Canada, Australia the list goes on) people will continue to download via other methods because its easier, cleaner and quicker.
And lastly, piracy isn't stealing, it's copying.
Another thing the media industry doesn't understand.
[QUOTE=ChinballzV2;33899885][/QUOTE]
It isn't "wrong" to download a song/movie that's unavailable to you, not even morally. That's what this is about, anything else just happens to fall under the same legislation, and in order to ban that you'd have to ban normal goods as well.
So get off of your high horse, I realize your father might work as a person who benefits from the entertainment industry, but that's no reason to indiscriminately label everyone as a thief just because they pirate.
You have no idea what reasons people have for pirating, and you have no idea what harm it actually does.
If you did, you'd realize that not only is it usually done because the other options are extremely few and far between or so difficult to use that there's no way a normal person could utilize them.
And even then, it's not a lost sale, because there wouldn't have been a sale to begin with, so no money was lost, in a substantial amount of cases the pirate even ends up buying the aforementioned product if it becomes available through legal channels without too much hassle.
Don't bring your "Laws are based on what's right and wrong" in to this, because that is completely subjective, and based on evidence it's not even applicable.
[QUOTE=ChinballzV2;33899478]"Yeah let's legalize theft, making it impossible for anyone to afford producing films and music in a few years! GREAT, FREEDOM!"[/QUOTE]
Yar matey, I don't think you understand what piracy is
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[QUOTE=ChinballzV2;33899885]I thought laws were made by principle of whats right and wrong, not what's "convinient". ie should we give up on a law just becuase its difficult to maintain?[/QUOTE]
Try looking up prohibition in the united states
If you want to learn dutch, just speak english like yoda would and then translate it to dutch.
[QUOTE=Niklas;33897581]Do Many dutch people speak german?[/QUOTE]
Everybody has to have 2 years of German in high school, but almost nobody speaks it here. I had to learn it myself.
[QUOTE=Miskav;33899812]It's mandatory in middle/highschool as well as English.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
Only English.
I don't speak a word German (except for Ja, Jawohl, Ich bin) but understand it a bit.
And I don't know anything of French except for wiwiwi and nononono.
And this again proves that Europe have a smarter goverment then USA.
Instead of banning something, they allow it and think of alternative ways to still earn money.
[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;33896663]Would report him for racism.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_customs_and_etiquette]Dutch customs and etiquette[/url] your basic guide to all weird shit we do.[/QUOTE]
It's not racism, go outside for once.
If you're white, you get CHEESEHEAD I FUCK YOUR MOTHER thrown to your head.
If you're an immigrant, you a bro.
The only reason I get (partially) accepted is because my father was a Turk (my mother is Dutch, don't worry). However the same can't be said about the white guys I hang out with.
Also a big part of the Dutch youth (mostly the males) have changed into a "gangstah thug life" style, which was popularized mostly by immigrants, and rappers like Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent. The not-gangstah are usually loners/nerds/fatties.
The Turks are basically the nicest people here.
They're what immigration should be, adopt the Dutch culture yet preserve your own.
They're also the one of the only muslims in our country that don't go "MUSLIMS SHOULD RULE THIS COUNTRY BOW TO THE ISLAM BLAHBLAHBLAH" , hell, you're more likely to see Turks put away their religion to obey the Dutch law and culture.
Yet I see in the Turkish youth of now that they become less and less "Dutch" and more "thug-life".
Afcourse, not every immigrant is bad, some of the Muslim immigrants are nice, especially if you go a generation back. Some of them are "Obey the Dutch law, respect the Dutch culture" and tuck away their culture back to their own residence to do all their weird muslim stuff there.
Also that guide? Bullshit according to the youth of now.
I'm seeing my people going to shit, and being discriminated by the immigrants.
I'm seeing my people turning into a bunch of hate, instead of acceptance.
Not everything bad is brought here by immigrants, but putting away your own culture in favor of immigrants is bad.
Many Dutch activities and things like The Salvation Army are put aside for immigrants to do their stuff.
I have nothing against giving them places and opportunities to express their culture like festivals (we have many of foreign culture festivals), hell I like them, but if you're putting away the original inhabitants to please the new ones, you're doing something wrong.
Now the Polish are the new immigrants and yet again, fucking up our country. Every Polish person you meet on the street is either piss drunk or going to get piss drunk. A part of the Salvation Army is abolished and the ones who were there first, are going to have to sleep on a bench in a park, because the Polish need a place to sleep.
It's racism, yes, but not from my side. The Dutch are being discriminated by their own people, and I hate it. Go outside for once, and see.
[QUOTE=Asgard;33902532]Everybody has to have 2 years of German in high school, but almost nobody speaks it here. I had to learn it myself.[/QUOTE]
No one of my family (Nephews/nieces) ever had German on school
I'm proud to live in a neighbouring country to the Netherlands. I hope your ideas spill over to us, considering right now SABAM is making sure to buttfuck everybody and copyright infringement is still a silly issue.
goddamn, i love holland but there are so many racist jerks that give it a terrible reputation. Aerkhan included.
i mean fucking come on, hating the polish is stupid shit from 50 years ago.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment[/url]
[QUOTE=Miskav;33896051]There's a reason why we say Belgians can't speak Dutch. This is one of them.[/QUOTE]
You guys pronounce G like GHR. Don't do that.
Were not racists. We just hate the belgians, polish, german, turkish...
Ok maybe we are a tiny bit. :V
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[QUOTE=Aerkhan;33902667]It's not racism, go outside for once.
If you're white, you get CHEESEHEAD I FUCK YOUR MOTHER thrown to your head.
If you're an immigrant, you a bro.
The only reason I get (partially) accepted is because my father was a Turk (my mother is Dutch, don't worry). However the same can't be said about the white guys I hang out with.
Also a big part of the Dutch youth (mostly the males) have changed into a "gangstah thug life" style, which was popularized mostly by immigrants, and rappers like Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent. The not-gangstah are usually loners/nerds/fatties.
The Turks are basically the nicest people here.
They're what immigration should be, adopt the Dutch culture yet preserve your own.
They're also the one of the only muslims in our country that don't go "MUSLIMS SHOULD RULE THIS COUNTRY BOW TO THE ISLAM BLAHBLAHBLAH" , hell, you're more likely to see Turks put away their religion to obey the Dutch law and culture.
Yet I see in the Turkish youth of now that they become less and less "Dutch" and more "German".
Afcourse, not every immigrant is bad, some of the Muslim immigrants are nice, especially if you go a generation back. Some of them are "Obey the Dutch law, respect the Dutch culture" and tuck away their culture back to their own residence to do all their weird muslim stuff there.
Also that guide? Bullshit according to the youth of now.
I'm seeing my people going to shit, and being discriminated by the immigrants.
I'm seeing my people turning into a bunch of hate, instead of acceptance.
Not everything bad is brought here by immigrants, but putting away your own culture in favor of immigrants is bad.
Many Dutch activities and things like The Salvation Army are put aside for immigrants to do their stuff.
I have nothing against giving them places and opportunities to express their culture like festivals (we have many of foreign culture festivals), hell I like them, but if you're putting away the original inhabitants to please the new ones, you're doing something wrong.
Now the Polish are the new immigrants and yet again, fucking up our country. Every Polish person you meet on the street is either piss drunk or going to get piss drunk. A part of the Salvation Army is abolished and the ones who were there first, are going to have to sleep on a bench in a park, because the Polish need a place to sleep.
It's racism, yes, but not from my side. The Dutch are being discriminated by their own people, and I hate it. Go outside for once, and see.[/QUOTE]
What city do you live in? Here in zoetermeer, there is almost NO racism of any kind. And nothing of the "thug life" you speak about.
[QUOTE=Miskav;33893758]You just raped two languages at once. I hope you're proud of yourself.
That wasn't German, and it contained Dutch.[/QUOTE]
actually that was german
[QUOTE=darth-veger;33902674]No one of my family (Nephews/nieces) ever had German on school[/QUOTE]
Neither do I.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;33902696]goddamn, i love holland but there are so many racist jerks that give it a terrible reputation. Aerkhan included.
i mean fucking come on, hating the polish is stupid shit from 50 years ago.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment[/url][/QUOTE]
Would you like to trade life for a year?
Then you would get what I'm coming from.
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=yannickgd;33902714]Were not racists. We just hate the belgians, polish, german, turkish...
Ok maybe we are a tiny bit. :V
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
What city do you live in? Here in zoetermeer, there is almost NO racism of any kind. And nothing of the "thug life" you speak about.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's only in the big cities, but "Thug-Life" is everywhere. I live in The Hague (Den Haag).
Nickelson jackets are usually something you can find in "Thug-Life". Yet again Zoetermeer is relatively new and Dutch-populated.
[QUOTE=yannickgd;33902714]Were not racists. We just hate the belgians, polish, german, turkish...
Ok maybe we are a tiny bit. :V
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
What city do you live in? Here in zoetermeer, there is almost NO racism of any kind. And nothing of the "thug life" you speak about.[/QUOTE]
I live in Rotterdam and while I wouldnt consider myself racist since I have a marrocan and turkish friend, it does stand out that if I get harassed while going out its always a marrocan or antillian.
Sometimes a drunk polish guy but they can usually be talked down.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;33902781]
Would you like to trade life for a year?
Then you would get what I'm coming from.
[/QUOTE]
sure i'd love to. i lived in amsterdam for about two years. i can tell you as a outside observer there's a lot more racism by whites upon the small minorities.
yet it's always a white guy complaining. you're just an old fashioned racist and the fact that you say you have a turkish father (i like how you excuse yourself by saying your mother is dutch, i am so relieved) means that you probably have a lot of self-loathing.
consider the racial slurs payback for the atrocity of zwarte piet. ever talk to a black dutch man? they do not enjoy themselves.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33902991]sure i'd love to. i lived in amsterdam for about two years. i can tell you as a outside observer there's a lot more racism by whites upon the small minorities.
yet it's always a white guy complaining. you're just an old fashioned racist and the fact that you say you have a turkish father (i like how you excuse yourself by saying your mother is dutch, i am so relieved) means that you probably have a lot of self-loathing.
consider the racial slurs payback for the atrocity of zwarte piet. ever talk to a black dutch man? they do not enjoy themselves.[/QUOTE]
I do enjoy how you keep this stance up even when people constantly tell you that's just not the way it is.
But no, we're all racists and trying to frame the perfect immigrants, obviously. If you have no knowledge of the situation here, why don't you stop discussing it?
I think this the first thread, where dutch people weren't seen as germans. Or the country which only exists of prostitution and legal drugs.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33902991]sure i'd love to. i lived in amsterdam for about two years. i can tell you as a outside observer there's a lot more racism by whites upon the small minorities.
yet it's always a white guy complaining. you're just an old fashioned racist and the fact that you say you have a turkish father (i like how you excuse yourself by saying your mother is dutch, i am so relieved) means that you probably have a lot of self-loathing.
consider the racial slurs payback for the atrocity of zwarte piet. ever talk to a black dutch man? they do not enjoy themselves.[/QUOTE]
"I've lived in Amsterdam for 2 years so I know everything about the country".
I like being Turkish, and a lot of black people I've talked to across the country like because the children like it Sinterklaas, and they usually think "Sinterklaas having only black workers is maybe a bit racist, but I don't mind". Only a small part is "Abolish Sinterklaas, the racist pig" .
There's more racism from immigrants against the Dutch. Only mixed bloods like me are partially accepted.
[QUOTE=Miskav;33903762]I do enjoy how you keep this stance up even when people constantly tell you that's just not the way it is.
But no, we're all racists and trying to frame the perfect immigrants, obviously. If you have no knowledge of the situation here, why don't you stop discussing it?[/QUOTE]
i'd rather trust my older dutch friends than a couple of facepunch racists.
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