Thousands sign petition to publicly hang West Virginia man accused of raping, murdering baby girl
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[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168751]Nice to see we've finally reached an understanding. :^)[/QUOTE]
Sarcasm? (Poe's law)
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51168762]Sarcasm? (Poe's law)[/QUOTE]
That's the beauty of it.
Dude forfeited his human rights when he so thoroughly infringed on hers. Get rid of him.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168727]Why isn't the life of his victim, and the way she died, considered the utmost important aspect of this crime?[/QUOTE]
Okay so a baby was brutally raped and murdered. I agree, that is an extremely important consideration.
What I'm not sure I understand is the logical leap from "rape and murder" to "lynch the fucker."
Why is he "worthy" of being alive? Don't all humans have certain inalienable human rights? Key word here is inalienable. Meaning cannot be revoked or forfeit. How is it justifiable to kill another human who cannot pose a threat to anybody ever again?
This is a really roundabout way of saying two wrongs don't make a right.
If you're gonna take the economical route and say he's not worth the money to keep him alive, I would respond that it's way more expensive to execute a man than to sentence him to life because of all the legal processes involved.
Finally, as others have pointed out: Accused. I don't think skipping due process is a good idea.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;51168768]Dude forfeited his human rights when he so thoroughly infringed on hers. Get rid of him.[/QUOTE]
It would appear you're wrong
[QUOTE=hippowombat;51168768]Dude forfeited his human rights when he so thoroughly infringed on hers. Get rid of him.[/QUOTE]
Isn't the idea of rights that they can't be stripped away?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51168729]I feel like painlessly putting someone to sleep is far less barbaric than a public hanging that snaps their neck that may or may not kill them instantly or painlessly.[/QUOTE]
Lethal injections can be botched aswell. Imagine being strapped to a table, paralyzed and wide awake while you die a very slow(some cases 15 minutes to an hour) and excruciating death.
Under prime circumstance one instantly kills you, the other slowly shuts down your lungs and/or heart.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168660]This guy raped and murdered a toddler. Personally I think he's too far gone.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt that you've gotten your Psy.D and your opinion matters in any way.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51168782]Lethal injections can be botched aswell. Imagine being strapped to a table, paralyzed and wide awake while you die a very slow(some cases 15 minutes to an hour) and excruciating death.
Under prime circumstance one instantly kills you, the other slowly shuts down your lungs and/or heart.[/QUOTE]
Under prime circumstances one instantly kills you, and the other renders you unconscious while the poison works.
Though I think you're right. It seems like all execution methods could be botched. Maybe we shouldn't use any to begin with.
Shall we not? I'm all for the death penalty but not [i]public[/i] executions.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168727]Firstly, let's agree that none of us here is a psychiatrist or criminologist to aptly determine just how fucked in the head this cunt is.[/QUOTE]
You don't need a degree in psychiatry or criminology to piece this one together. You don't rape a 10 month old baby to death unless your coconut is FUBAR.
[editline]7th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51168799]Under prime circumstances one instantly kills you, and the other renders you unconscious while the poison works.
Though I think you're right. It seems like all execution methods could be botched. Maybe we shouldn't use any to begin with.[/QUOTE]
A metal folding chair with cushions made of C4 and Tannerite is pretty much unbotchable. Either it goes off and they can't find enough of the condemned to bury, or it fails to go off at all and the guy lives another day unharmed. There really isn't a middle ground with high explosive seat cushions.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51168781]Isn't the idea of rights that they can't be stripped away?[/QUOTE]
And that is the #1 cop-out these guys will always use. Just as we discussed the sentence of the Aussie cunt living in the Philippines, responsible for the "Daisy's Destruction" video.
That guy, by all accounts, is a monster, yet he must feel somewhat untouchable due to "b-but think of the human rights", when he absolutely shat on his victim's human rights.
Like hippowombat said earlier, in my eyes, he forfeited whatever basic human rights he had.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51168800]
A metal folding chair with cushions made of C4 and Tannerite is pretty much unbotchable. Either it goes off and they can't find enough of the condemned to bury, or it fails to go off at all and the guy lives another day unharmed.[/QUOTE]
yeah! blow him up!!!! that'll stop the child rapes AND make me feel good!!!
but then at the end of the day you'll have a fucked up chair and a bunch of body parts everywhere and kids will still get raped and people with mental health issues will still commit atrocities
Ideally you'd be able to call death penalty and get creeps like this executed days after they're found guilty. Due to due process and legal issues it actually costs more to get the death penalty enacted and its cheaper just to incarcerate them for life.
Horrible shame imo
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51168729]I feel like painlessly putting someone to sleep is far less barbaric than a public hanging that snaps their neck that may or may not kill them instantly or painlessly.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring the fact that the cannulation is often inadequate, and takes an awful lot of tries or leads to collapse of the vein, requiring more attempts. It also ignores the fact that inadequate amounts of sodium thiopental are often given, meaning that they might be paralyzed but still aware and capable of feeling as the potassium chloride stops the heart.
Hanging at least can be lethal quickly when done right, rather than potentially leaving them in agony for a while but unable to express it. Lethal injection makes it very comfortable for the viewers. The main issue is if the drop is too short. If it's too long, you risk decapitation which is not viewer friendly, but too short and you choke them out instead, which is also unacceptable.
[QUOTE=Xubs;51168825]question: let's say he is killed and later evidence exonerated of his crimes due to substantial evidence to the contrary coming about post-execution. What is your response to this?[/QUOTE]
I'd expect the prosecution to confirm without a shadow of doubt, that [i]he did it[/i]... for starters. I'm not talking about going in blind and throwing in accusations, just like that. That wouldn't be right.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51168826]Ideally you'd be able to call death penalty and get creeps like this executed days after they're found guilty. Due to due process and legal issues it actually costs more to get the death penalty enacted and its cheaper just to incarcerate them for life.
Horrible shame imo[/QUOTE]
Stupid legal system making it harder to falsely or accidentally convict and kill someone
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168816]And that is the #1 cop-out these guys will always use. Just as we discussed the sentence of the Aussie cunt living in the Philippines, responsible for the "Daisy's Destruction" video.
That guy, by all accounts, is a monster, yet he must feel somewhat untouchable due to "b-but think of the human rights", when he absolutely shat on his victim's human rights.
Like hippowombat said earlier, in my eyes, he forfeited whatever basic human rights he had.[/QUOTE]
Saying people have rights is a cop-out.
I think I've read enough.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51168800]You don't need a degree in psychiatry or criminology to piece this one together. You don't rape a 10 month old baby to death unless your coconut is FUBAR.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you probably do.
What's your basis for saying this if not experience or education?
You're really just making an assumption.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51168836]Stupid legal system making it harder to falsely or accidentally convict and kill someone[/QUOTE]
You're caught either providing for the scum of the earth for the rest of their life or setting an awful precedent in the legal system.
The whole situation is awful.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51168826]Ideally you'd be able to call death penalty and get creeps like this executed days after they're found guilty. Due to due process and legal issues it actually costs more to get the death penalty enacted and its cheaper just to incarcerate them for life.
Horrible shame imo[/QUOTE]
Yeah I too think that anything less than publically shooting them the very second they are accused is horrible. Ensuring people have due process, have their rights to a fair trial, and have it proven beyond all reasonable doubts that they commited a crime is a shame.
We especially don't care if we find they were actually innocent after we killed them.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51168848]You're caught either providing for the scum of the earth for the rest of their life or setting an awful precedent in the legal system.
The whole situation is awful.[/QUOTE]
Living life in a box without any ammenities isn't such a great life. I'd say after 30 years, that'd be torture the likes of which we literally can't imagine. Yeah, you either compromise the justice system so that there's no point in any of it anymore, or you accept the fact sometimes, you're going to have to keep the bad guys alive for a while.
Government sanctioned public lynching would only open the door to severe regression in terms of criminal justice.
Debate the death penalty all you want, but if the man is to die, it should not be a public spectacle to give everyone that "feel good" moment of petty revenge.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51168858]Living life in a box without any ammenities isn't such a great life. I'd say after 30 years, that'd be torture the likes of which we literally can't imagine. Yeah, you either compromise the justice system so that there's no point in any of it anymore, or you accept the fact sometimes, you're going to have to keep the bad guys alive for a while.[/QUOTE]
For a guy this deranged, I'd say he'd think he's getting away with it. He can't distinguish right from wrong, surely he doesn't have nothing to lose.
Just like Manson in jail - he doesn't sound all that remorseful after all these years. That's my other concern, that fuckheads like these assume that life inprisonment feels like they "got away with it".
[QUOTE=Xubs;51168864]given all the circumstances and all available information I can find about the situation, I can without a shadow of a doubt say I absolutely would not feel guilty and would in fact feel safer living in a society where nobody is executed.
I'm sorry that doesn't satiate your revenge fantasies and that many modern societies don't agree with you but the negatives far outweigh the positives.[/QUOTE]
Executing someone is counter intuitively more expensive that it is to house them for the rest of their life.
The legal system doesn't even prepare prisoners to reintegrate into society to have a fulfilling and productive life. You would think that with the current system where convicts can be found innocent with new evidence, we would at least treat the prisoners decently in the hope that they can help the economy when they get out, but that's not the case.
Guilty or not the prisoner's life becomes a drain on society with the current system. It needs change.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168886]For a guy this deranged, I'd say he'd think he's getting away with it. He can't distinguish right from wrong, surely he doesn't have nothing to lose.
Just like Manson in jail - he doesn't sound all that remorseful after all these years. That's my other concern, that fuckheads like these assume that life inprisonment feels like they "got away with it".[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter if the crooks are still proud, unashamed, and happy they didn't get killed. The only thing that matters is that they can't hurt anyone anymore behind bars.
Killing them because you don't like them being smug won't really accomplish anything, but I understand the anger.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51168880]Government sanctioned public lynching would only open the door to severe regression in terms of criminal justice.
Debate the death penalty all you want, but if the man is to die, it should not be a public spectacle to give everyone that "feel good" moment of petty revenge.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
The only way to get around this whole argument is in the rare case where the suspect is caught in the act, attacks the police and gets shot dead as a result.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168886]For a guy this deranged, I'd say he'd think he's getting away with it. He can't distinguish right from wrong, surely he doesn't have nothing to lose.
Just like Manson in jail - he doesn't sound all that remorseful after all these years. That's my other concern, that fuckheads like these assume that life inprisonment feels like they "got away with it".[/QUOTE]
Who cares what the perp feels? I don't care if they're in jail thinking they "won" when 1) They're not a danger anymore and 2) They've been convicted already.
Legitimately crazy people are crazy, you can't expect to "win" in these situations. You can just expect to mitigate the further problems that person can cause.
If you really want to be bloodthirsty you let him live. He's a kiddie diddler and a child killer. Just one of those is enough to get you murdered in prison and he's both. Either he lives out the rest of his (short) life looking over his shoulder every waking second or he lives in total isolation for the rest of his life in protective custody.
Executing this trash would be doing him a favor.
Regardless of for or against the death penalty,
Does any one not see a problem with the judgement of execution influenced by an online petition?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51168901]If you really want to be bloodthirsty you let him live. He's a kiddie diddler and a child killer. Just one of those is enough to get you murdered in prison and he's both. Either he lives out the rest of his (short) life looking over his shoulder every waking second or he lives in total isolation for the rest of his life in protective custody.
Executing this trash would be doing him a favor.[/QUOTE]
This is also why I'm against death penalty. Yes, the dude might gloat all he wants if he's given life in prison, but he can be so crazy as to welcome the death penalty. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gilmore"]Gary Gilmore[/URL] comes to mind. In that regard, he might feel that he's still getting away with it.
It's true, you just can't "win" with crazy people, and there are worse things that the death penalty. But keeping him alive for the rest of his natural life, just doesn't feel fair for the victim's family.
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