• Thousands sign petition to publicly hang West Virginia man accused of raping, murdering baby girl
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[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168886]That's my other concern, that fuckheads like these assume that life inprisonment feels like they "got away with it".[/QUOTE] a) You're making an assumption about their assumptions. b) Why do you care what a criminal [I]thinks[/I] after he's locked away?
[QUOTE=paul simon;51168923]a) You're making an assumption about their assumptions. b) Why do you care what a criminal [I]thinks[/I] after he's locked away?[/QUOTE] Because it's like having a child who set the living room carpet on fire, but he still doesn't understand the gravity of what he's done, no matter what you tell him. Something like that.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51168773]It would appear you're wrong[/QUOTE] Please elaborate. [QUOTE=SIRIUS;51168781]Isn't the idea of rights that they can't be stripped away?[/QUOTE] It sure would be nice if that were the case but it really never has been considering all the people who get raped and murdered.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;51168935]Please elaborate.[/QUOTE] Governments need to uphold their own laws, including human rights. [QUOTE=hippowombat;51168935]It sure would be nice if that were the case but it really never has been considering all the people who get raped and murdered.[/QUOTE] So we should all ignore human rights because some [I]criminals[/I] ignore them?
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168816]And that is the #1 cop-out these guys will always use. Just as we discussed the sentence of the Aussie cunt living in the Philippines, responsible for the "Daisy's Destruction" video. That guy, by all accounts, is a monster, yet he must feel somewhat untouchable due to "b-but think of the human rights", when he absolutely shat on his victim's human rights. Like hippowombat said earlier, in my eyes, he forfeited whatever basic human rights he had.[/QUOTE] Typical liberal "your rights end where my feelings begin" knee jerk bullshit. The whole point of these rights isn't to protect people like this from justice but to ensure that all humans are treated fairly and equally before the law, not one person should have the ability override any right due to any curcumstance or they shall not be considered absolute. This is the price people must pay to live in an orderly and free society.
If you are for making this guy suffer as much as possible, it would seem like life in prison would be the better answer anyway. If I was convicted of those crimes I'd want the death penalty because you're probably going to either get murdered in prison if you're allowed around other inmates or have to be completely isolated from everyone for the rest of your life.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168832]I'd expect the prosecution to confirm without a shadow of doubt, that [i]he did it[/i]... for starters. I'm not talking about going in blind and throwing in accusations, just like that. That wouldn't be right.[/QUOTE] That's not how guilt is determined and there are hundreds of cases where someone was convicted "without a shadow of doubt" and they turned out innocent.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51168968]Typical liberal "your rights end where my feelings begin" knee jerk bullshit. The whole point of these rights isn't to protect people like this from justice but to ensure that all humans are treated fairly and equally before the law, not one person should have the ability override any right due to any curcumstance or they shall not be considered absolute. This is the price people must pay to live in an orderly and free society.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's just typical liberal shit to not want innocent people executed by a hasty and retributive justice system
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51169022]Yeah it's just typical liberal shit to not want innocent people executed by a hasty and retributive justice system[/QUOTE] you misunderstood him bro he was saying the opposite
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51168782]Lethal injections can be botched aswell. Imagine being strapped to a table, paralyzed and wide awake while you die a very slow(some cases 15 minutes to an hour) and excruciating death. Under prime circumstance one instantly kills you, the other slowly shuts down your lungs and/or heart.[/QUOTE] This sounds like a great reason to oppose the death penalty.
Really? Public Hanging? Are we willing to go back to Medieval Times just to dispatch a criminal? Are we willing to be so barbaric as kill a condemned criminal because "That'll teach 'em rappers!" I'm in no means supporting the rapist, but...this? Really? Hanging? What's your major malfunction guys?
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;51169063]Really? Public Hanging? Are we willing to go back to Medieval Times just to dispatch a criminal? Are we willing to be so barbaric as kill a condemned criminal because "That'll teach 'em rappers!" I'm in no means supporting the rapist, but...this? Really? Hanging? What's your major malfunction guys?[/QUOTE] People aren't known to be logical thinkers when they let their emotions get in the way. It doesn't matter either way, like the article says WV doesn't have the death penalty, so the only way this would feasibly happen is if some vigilante mob went down to wherever he's being held and personally lynch him themselves.
We can all agree that killing a person is bad, right? Sure it can be justified when in self-defense or someone else's defense, but killing someone in prison doesn't help anybody so I don't really see how you can justify it. To me it doesn't really seem much better than killing someone because you don't like them or because they made you angry.
I'm not against the death penalty but public hanging is fucking dumb.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168816]And that is the #1 cop-out these guys will always use. Just as we discussed the sentence of the Aussie cunt living in the Philippines, responsible for the "Daisy's Destruction" video. That guy, by all accounts, is a monster, yet he must feel somewhat untouchable due to "b-but think of the human rights", when he absolutely shat on his victim's human rights. Like hippowombat said earlier, in my eyes, he forfeited whatever basic human rights he had.[/QUOTE] It's a good thing that no one's obligated to take what you morally "see" (or what any other mortal individual on this isolated rock thinks, for that matter) at face value, then. "he threw away his human rights" like fucking really, that sounds so damn arbitrary.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168816]And that is the #1 cop-out these guys will always use. Just as we discussed the sentence of the Aussie cunt living in the Philippines, responsible for the "Daisy's Destruction" video. That guy, by all accounts, is a monster, yet he must feel somewhat untouchable due to "b-but think of the human rights", when he absolutely shat on his victim's human rights. Like hippowombat said earlier, in my eyes, he forfeited whatever basic human rights he had.[/QUOTE] You're never going to get through to them. This is such a tired, old subject, and it always goes around and around in the same circles. They don't seem to understand that rights can be revoked, especially when it comes to people pointlessly violating the rights of innocent people (like that Australian bloke, and as well this guy). We revoke their rights because they have no regard for anybody else's, that makes them dangerous, and we have to segregate/punish them in order to keep ourselves safe and satisfied. It's like when they argue about emotions but then call capital punishment "barbaric". That in and of itself is an emotional argument. What is and isn't barbaric is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact, but that doesn't matter to them. That's why I always like talking with professionals about this subject: they actually know what they're talking about. Cops, lawyers, doctors, prison employees, and cleanup crewmen know what it's like to deal with these kinds of twisted, broken individuals, and they know how hopelessly lost they are. Most of them don't want to keep these people alive because they know they're dangerous to those of us who just want to live quiet, peaceful lives (in other words: normal people), and because they know it's a complete waste of time what with them being beyond help. And better still, they also know that it's a perfectly natural reaction to feel anger towards them because most humans (again, the normal ones) have a moral compass that tells them right from wrong... and raping, torturing, and murdering innocent people is wrong. But this is what happens when you listen to a bunch of people who have no hands-on experience with this kind of depravity. Odds are they haven't had it inflicted on them personally (and if they have, there's a whole lot of interesting psychological implications I could delve into on why they might sympathize with this guy), they haven't had to clean up the mess that was left afterwards (the gore and viscera of the victim I mean), they haven't had to deal with dead bodies or funeral arrangements in these situations (or in general), they've never had to notify people of terrible things that have been done to their loved ones and have never had to deal with their reactions, they've never had to guard, feed, give medical care to, or care for in general a person like this when they were incarcerated, etc. They're just sheltered is all, but they'll be damned if they'll admit it. They'll twist and turn any which way they can to try and preserve their high-minded idealism about why it's wrong to kill people who do terrible things, and you're never going to convince them they're wrong-- not when discussing murderers and serial killers, not war criminals, not even terrorist leaders. Their opinion is not worth much. Don't get too worked up over it. Just recognize it for what it is and move on. Also, take comfort in the knowledge that a lot of people who have actually dealt with these kinds of cases and the lovely individuals who commit them feel just about the same way as we do... because they actually know better, from experiences so horrific most people would be literally sick to their stomachs if they so much as had to listen to them be recounted. [editline]8 October 2016[/editline] You remember back when bin Laden was killed and people were complaining about his death being celebrated because "he was a person too"? Remember the ones who were shaming people over it and acting like they were better than everybody else because they weren't celebrating? It's kind of the same mindset people against the death penalty have-- [i]not exactly[/i] the same mind you, but it's in the same vein. It's retarded, but they're not going to stop. Not saying this guy is as big of a deal as bin Laden or that I agree he needs to be hanged publicly (I don't think he should be), but him being executed would not be an unfortunate thing at all-- nor would it be unfortunate if we gave others who were definitively guilty the same treatment. The death penalty (contrary to the story they try and spin about loads of innocent people dying) is not something that's imposed like it's no big deal; you have to have [i]a lot[/i] of red marks and a long history on your criminal record to wind up on death row in general in the United States.
Come on guys give the baby rapist a chance at rehab, he could be your next presidential candidate.
[QUOTE=Govna;51169325]You're never going to get through to them. This is such a tired, old subject, and it always goes around and around in the same circles. They don't seem to understand that rights can be revoked, especially when it comes to people pointlessly violating the rights of innocent people (like that Australian bloke, and as well this guy). We revoke their rights because they have no regard for anybody else's, that makes them dangerous, and we have to segregate/punish them in order to keep ourselves safe and satisfied. It's like when they argue about emotions but then call capital punishment "barbaric". That in and of itself is an emotional argument. What is and isn't barbaric is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact, but that doesn't matter to them. That's why I always like talking with professionals about this subject: they actually know what they're talking about. Cops, lawyers, doctors, prison employees, and cleanup crewmen know what it's like to deal with these kinds of twisted, broken individuals, and they know how hopelessly lost they are. Most of them don't want to keep these people alive because they know they're dangerous to those of us who just want to live quiet, peaceful lives (in other words: normal people), and because they know it's a complete waste of time what with them being beyond help. And better still, they also know that it's a perfectly natural reaction to feel anger towards them because most humans (again, the normal ones) have a moral compass that tells them right from wrong... and raping, torturing, and murdering innocent people is wrong. But this is what happens when you listen to a bunch of people who have no hands-on experience with this kind of depravity. Odds are they haven't had it inflicted on them personally (and if they have, there's a whole lot of interesting psychological implications I could delve into on why they might sympathize with this guy), they haven't had to clean up the mess that was left afterwards (the gore and viscera of the victim I mean), they haven't had to deal with dead bodies or funeral arrangements in these situations (or in general), they've never had to notify people of terrible things that have been done to their loved ones and have never had to deal with their reactions, they've never had to guard, feed, give medical care to, or care for in general a person like this when they were incarcerated, etc. They're just sheltered is all, but they'll be damned if they'll admit it. They'll twist and turn any which way they can to try and preserve their high-minded idealism about why it's wrong to kill people who do terrible things, and you're never going to convince them they're wrong-- not when discussing murderers and serial killers, not war criminals, not even terrorist leaders. Their opinion is not worth much. Don't get too worked up over it. Just recognize it for what it is and move on. Also, take comfort in the knowledge that a lot of people who have actually dealt with these kinds of cases and the lovely individuals who commit them feel just about the same way as we do... because they actually know better, from experiences so horrific most people would be literally sick to their stomachs if they so much as had to listen to them be recounted. [editline]8 October 2016[/editline] You remember back when bin Laden was killed and people were complaining about his death being celebrated because "he was a person too"? Remember the ones who were shaming people over it and acting like they were better than everybody else because they weren't celebrating? It's kind of the same mindset people against the death penalty have-- [i]not exactly[/i] the same mind you, but it's in the same vein. It's retarded, but they're not going to stop. Not saying this guy is as big of a deal as bin Laden or that I agree he needs to be hanged publicly (I don't think he should be), but him being executed would not be an unfortunate thing at all-- nor would it be unfortunate if we gave others who were definitively guilty the same treatment. The death penalty (contrary to the story they try and spin about loads of innocent people dying) is not something that's imposed like it's no big deal; you have to have [i]a lot[/i] of red marks and a long history on your criminal record to wind up on death row in general in the United States.[/QUOTE] but human rights :(
[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51168713]Not really. Then it's another mouth to feed with tax money for the rest of his life[/QUOTE] Prisoners can appeal the death penalty up to 10 times I believe, and ends up costing a shitload. [editline]8th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=paul simon;51168773]It would appear you're wrong[/QUOTE] It would appear people have opinions.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51169348]but human rights :([/QUOTE] Sorry to tell them this, but rights can be transformed into privileges and revoked. For people who have a problem with this, my suggestion would be don't rape and murder other people-- especially innocent children. It's really not a difficult social contract to understand: don't start trouble and there won't be trouble, and you won't be punished.
[QUOTE=Govna;51169371]Sorry to tell them this, but rights can be transformed into privileges and revoked.[/QUOTE] Rights are rights. Human rights don't just get revoked because we decide so, that's the entire basis of this nation, even if we don't always follow it.
Well this thread is exactly how I pictured it. Euro's saying it's barbaric to execute this guy (it's not.)
I think one who has done such a horrid act, such as the one in the article, should be allowed the choice of a quick painless death at any point or living and working in incarceration. It would not wash the act if torturous death was inflicted nor would it do much for anyone but the cruel. One should consider what they would think just to do onto them self in such a case. Personally I would prefer to be in incarceration for the rest of my life, being able to do something productive, either dying of old age or of a quick death by my own choice. To do a horrific, slow, and painful death onto another human, no matter how loathsome the person, is sadism and not just.
[QUOTE=AnnieOakley;51169429]I think one who has done such a horrid act, such as the one in the article, should be allowed the choice of a quick painless death at any point or living and working in incarceration. It would not wash the act if torturous death was inflicted nor would it do much for anyone but the cruel. One should consider what they would think just to do onto them self in such a case. Personally I would prefer to be in incarceration for the rest of my life, being able to do something productive, either dying of old age or of a quick death by my own choice. To do a horrific, slow, and painful death onto another human, no matter how loathsome the person, is sadism and not just.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't be allowed a choice. Their victim didn't get a choice.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168640]And now, we wait for SIRIUS to give us all a "lessons in humanity" and why hanging this piece of shit is wrong, when he can be rehabilitated. :^)[/QUOTE] I've had my disagreements with SIRIUS myself but this is a smug and shitty way to 'call someone out' like this is so insensitive towards his opinions, what the fuck is even the point. What does that have anything to do with this? It's not like his opinions are harmful or negatively affect society as a whole. [editline]7th October 2016[/editline] I mean, at least do it AFTER he does it :v: [editline]7th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Judqment8;51168705]Public hanging? What year is it again?[/QUOTE] They want quick and simple revenge and nothing else everyone who supports this doesn't care about the justice of it, they just want to avenge a murder. I understand being mad, but even a vile and disgusting child rapist and killer is a human being. No, they can't just go with just an execution. They want him to [B]suffer[/B] first. [editline]7th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Xubs;51168825]question: let's say he is killed and later is exonerated of his crimes due to evidence painting the contrary coming about post-execution. What is your response to this? total hypothetical, ignore whatever the article says about how guilty he may or may not be, I want to know about your opinion when this happens at all.[/QUOTE] many people would just shrug and call it a 'casualty of war I guess' despite how many people are executed only to be "Oh wait lol he didn't do it woops" [editline]7th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51168916]This is also why I'm against death penalty. [/QUOTE] The fact that you think this is ok proves that you don't truly believe in it and you'd have to be kidding yourself if you think you do.
The US isn't Africa, India, or the Middle East. We're above this level of barbarism. I understand emotions being this high on such a disusting and abhorrent crime, but we can't forfeit our humanity and stoop so low as to bring back public execution.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51169462]They shouldn't be allowed a choice. Their victim didn't get a choice.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't have that much options to begin with. I don't necessarily wish this on them, but they would never be able to have a normal life. At that point, I'd imagine that should be at least close to being sufficient. I don't think it'd kill you if this dude was allowed to pick from two options among the thousands of limitations that he's likely got placed on him.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51168642]The revenge bullshit isn't gonna get you anywhere. [editline]8th October 2016[/editline] Well of course he can't be rehabilitated when there's no good system in place for doing so.[/QUOTE] There's no rehabilitating a sick freak like that bro...
Are we really trying to defend baby murderers and rapist now?
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51169623]if he's guilty, he very much deserves it. and if he is guilty, anyone who stands up for him is just a naive moron.[/QUOTE] If the people standing up for him were also the kind of people who refused to consider the possibility that any murderer/rapist can have the completely worse personalities with just about no merits or believed that rehab for psychopaths is a super easy piece of cake, you'd definitely be right about them being naive.
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