Thousands sign petition to publicly hang West Virginia man accused of raping, murdering baby girl
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what the fucking christ is this thread
[QUOTE=a-cookie;51170336]what the fucking christ is this thread[/QUOTE]
A place to share our differing opinions on a controversial subject, to either gain insight or to further entrench ourselves in our own views.
I think the idea of public hangings are great. Big public executions for heinous crimes, especially [i]slow[/i] executions are perfect deterrents to anyone else who can't keep their dick-in-a-vice.
[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51168713]Not really. Then it's another mouth to feed with tax money for the rest of his life[/QUOTE]
So? That's a small price to pay to keep an orderly society.
[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51168713]Not really. Then it's another mouth to feed with tax money for the rest of his life[/QUOTE]
Listen, your tax money is gonna get used no matter what. You don't choose where it goes.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51170425]So because he don't personally get to choose where his tax money goes, he should just shut up and not give a shit about it?[/QUOTE]
He may say whatever the heck he wants, but it's a really weak argument.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51170425]So because he don't personally get to choose where his tax money goes, he should just shut up and not give a shit about it?[/QUOTE]
No what I am saying is that it's a poor excuse to demand someone's life for
KILL THIS FUCK NOW. RAPING AND MURDERING A BABY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
It's funny that when 1 child gets murdered it gets 99% more attention than 100 adults being melted in acid.
By the way what's with baby rapes and murders i have been seeing them for weeks now, it's like media found new fetish or something.
Isn't death the better option for him though? I mean if I was this fucked then I think I'd rather die than rot in prison with all the other fucked up people.
And this is why we don't let the public decide shit like this.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51170466]IThe excuse for wanting to get rid of the guy in this case is him being a child rapist. The fact that people rather wants child murderers executed than supporting their continued life ain't that strange, if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
It isn't strange at all, no.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;51169896]Nah we're just trying to regress into the middle ages by brutally murdering those who wrong us.[/QUOTE]
Well what else do you do? I admit public hanging is a bit too much but they don't deserve to live in society anymore. I don't give a fuck how much I get bitched at for this, baby raping and murder is not something that should ever be defended. The people who do this are permanently fucked in the head and deserve a swift and just punishment. Either way they go, they should never be allowed to see freedom again.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
I mean, everyone on here always calls for the torture of ISIS soldiers, and the way I see it baby rapist are no worse than any islamic terrorist.
So, people who want ISIS soldiers dead, do you think this is fair comparison? Are baby rapist better than or worse than ISIS?
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
I'm all for treating people and what not, but baby raping is just too much for me. The most innocent of lives ruined by heinous assholes.
Punishment should always be humane, but we also can't forget the [I]purpose[/I] of punishment. Punishment is a method of teaching: an attempt, at least, at rehabilitating negative behavior. I feel that 'justice' as a concept is far too often used as a fancier word for petty blood-lust and desire for vengeance, when that should never even enter into the equation.
In the case we have someone who has undeniably done a gruesome thing such as here, and under the assumption that he absolutely cannot be rehabilitated or corrected, we should consider [B]only[/B] what [I]best[/I] prevents it from happening again and the costs - we can't let our views on humane treatment be malleable case to case. So the response has to center only around pragmatism and costs while keeping it within predetermined boundaries. If we allow execution, we should never ask [I]"what does he deserve"[/I], but instead [I]"which option best prevents future cases"[/I]. And the answer to that, I have no idea - but I wish I would see people discussing that, rather than what would cause the most suffering to the criminal in question from a vengeful mindset of [I]"justice"[/I].
Does it really matter? Anyone in prison finds out what he did and he'll suffer a worse fate within a week
I believe a major reason why human rights exist, is because we need to be seen as a better example.
[QUOTE=The bird Man;51170734]I believe a major reason why human rights exist, is because we need to be seen as a better example.[/QUOTE]
Nobody cares, he deserves to die.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51170630]Punishment should always be humane, but we also can't forget the [I]purpose[/I] of punishment. Punishment is a method of teaching: an attempt, at least, at rehabilitating negative behavior. I feel that 'justice' as a concept is far too often used as a fancier word for petty blood-lust and desire for vengeance, when that should never even enter into the equation.
In the case we have someone who has undeniably done a gruesome thing such as here, and under the assumption that he absolutely cannot be rehabilitated or corrected, we should consider [B]only[/B] what [I]best[/I] prevents it from happening again and the costs - we can't let our views on humane treatment be malleable case to case. So the response has to center only around pragmatism and costs while keeping it within predetermined boundaries. If we allow execution, we should never ask [I]"what does he deserve"[/I], but instead [I]"which option best prevents future cases"[/I]. And the answer to that, I have no idea - but I wish I would see people discussing that, rather than what would cause the most suffering to the criminal in question from a vengeful mindset of [I]"justice"[/I].[/QUOTE]
He should die for his action, cut and clears.
You kill, you get killed,
murder is the capital punishment unless you are mentally disabled.
We've forgotten about traditional justice really,
Even if he can be rehabilitated then surely a guy with potential for this is still a danger?
Hang him publicly and make an example.
The only barbaric thing in execution is if there is no investigation, very very thorought investigation in the case and well that's what they're doing.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51170005]Same as all the rehab arguments lol.
You really think someone like this could become a pediatrician? You said so in the last thread, lmao.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit the only people constantly bringing up rehab are the people trying to be dismissive cunts about anyone else's opinion.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51168672]Okay so lock him up for life then either way - society is rid of a murderer, law is upheld despite emotional factors involved, life goes on.[/QUOTE]
And the taxpayer has to feed a child rapist-murderers mouth, lovely
[QUOTE=SirJon;51170824]And the taxpayer has to feed a child rapist-murderers mouth, lovely[/QUOTE]
If we reserved prison for people who actually deserve it we'd have plenty of money to do shit more humane.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51170824]And the taxpayer has to feed a child rapist-murderers mouth, lovely[/QUOTE]
Or you can see it as the taxes going to keeping society safe? Maybe you should complain about the flaws of the justice system before you start advocating using it for systematic killing.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170792]Nobody cares, he deserves to die.[/QUOTE]
I care, and I know others that do as well. Thanks for disrespecting my opinion, you're now on my shitlist.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170792]He should die for his action, cut and clears.
You kill, you get killed,
murder is the capital punishment unless you are mentally disabled.[/QUOTE]
What if the existence of capital punishment in this way influences society in such a way that more gruesome crime happens? This is what I mean. Talking in the way you do is barbaric and achieves nothing but revenge. We should discuss which course of action lowers future crime. We have a repertoire of different types of punishments and we need to examine how they affect other criminals, other potential criminals, society as a whole, rather than sit around and just be angry. I agree that rehabilitation wouldn't work on a person like this, but rehabilitation [I]is[/I] one of the tools in the repertoire of crime prevention. Our argument should be; which method does that best, not which method satisfies our blood-lust.
[QUOTE=Tools;51170808]We've forgotten about traditional justice really,
Even if he can be rehabilitated then surely a guy with potential for this is still a danger?
Hang him publicly and make an example.[/QUOTE]
Ethically that is an issue, but if you can show that it would actually make an example and therefore lower the risk of future cases like it, you'd have an argument.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51170912]What if the existence of capital punishment in this way influences society in such a way that more gruesome crime happens? This is what I mean. Talking in the way you do is barbaric and achieves nothing but revenge. We should discuss which course of action lowers future crime. We have a repertoire of different types of punishments and we need to examine how they affect other criminals, other potential criminals, society as a whole, rather than sit around and just be angry. I agree that rehabilitation wouldn't work on a person like this, but rehabilitation [I]is[/I] one of the tools in the repertoire of crime prevention. Our argument should be; which method does that best, not which method satisfies our blood-lust.
Ethically that is an issue, but if you can show that it would actually make an example and therefore lower the risk of future cases like it, you'd have an argument.[/QUOTE]
We can't rehab him, so are we gonna keep him locked for life without him doing anything to repent?
Forced work it is then. But he need to suffers and regret from his actions. Capital punishment is a must.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170792]He should die for his action, cut and clears.
You kill, you get killed,
murder is the capital punishment unless you are mentally disabled.[/QUOTE]
No he shouldn't.
He's clearly mentally ill and needs help, not execution.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170919]We can't rehab him, so are we gonna keep him locked for life without him doing anything to repent?
Forced work it is then. But he need to suffers and regret from his actions. Capital punishment is a must.[/QUOTE]
That's a lot of suggestions that I don't think we actually know what would actually achieve. Locking him up is probably a given, since I think we all agree that he is and will forever be a danger. But making him "do something to repent"; will that help society as a whole lower the chances of something similar happening in the future? Will making him regret his actions do that? Is that even possible? You have to calm down and look at it from a non-emotional point of view; not because I'm on a high horse of morality and think less of you, but because by not thinking pragmatically, you risk making decisions that intuitively sound fair but in reality hurt society and [I]increase[/I] the risk of future harm.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51170929]That's a lot of suggestions that I don't think we actually know what would actually achieve. Locking him up is probably a given, since I think we all agree that he is and will forever be a danger. But making him "do something to repent"; will that help society as a whole lower the chances of something similar happening in the future? Will making him regret his actions do that? Is that even possible? You have to calm down and look at it from a non-emotional point of view; not because I'm on a high horse of morality and think less of you, but because by not thinking pragmatically, you risk making decisions that intuitively sound fair but in reality hurt society and [I]increase[/I] the risk of future harm.[/QUOTE]
So we are gonna keep him alive with good condition of life in prison when he raped and murdered a baby?
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170933]So we are gonna keep him alive with good condition of life in prison when he raped and murdered a baby?[/QUOTE]
If it prevents the same from happening in the future, absolutely.
Babies not being raped and murdered is more important than baby rapists and murderers not having a good time.
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