Thousands sign petition to publicly hang West Virginia man accused of raping, murdering baby girl
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[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170933]So we are gonna keep him alive with good condition of life in prison when he raped and murdered a baby?[/QUOTE]
Yep. Killing him serves absolutely no purpose but making you feel better, and is pragmatically inefficient for reasons that have been reiterated endlessly in this thread.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170919]We can't rehab him, so are we gonna keep him locked for life without him doing anything to repent?
Forced work it is then. But he need to suffers and regret from his actions. [B]Capital punishment is a must.[/B][/QUOTE]
We're still not sure if capital punishment deter these types of crimes. How about you, me and everyone else leave this to professionals. These opinions are just dumb and leads to nothing but endless continues fighting. The only thing I can read in your posts, is that everything is decided by a moral compass of emotional factors, and that eliminates the entire purpose of criminal justice, since it must be 100% neutral, in order to set the appropriate sentence. Your morality differs from culture to culture, because environments shapes us fundementally. Other countries believes in torture, that one believes in death penalty, the other in rehabilitation. This is not up to us to decide, because it makes us blind. We must leave it to those who knows this topic; in the eyes of academics and science, we're just ignorant common folk that doesn't know anything in these matters, and we must accept that and let the experienced do their job. Our discussions today will only change the popular opinion, and we all know that because of history, and also current events, they can be faulty as well. This is nothing but ego boosting our self-righteousness of right and wrong (ex: my opinion is better than yours/etc). Even the most obvious and natural answer can be wrong, and that's why we must question ourselves, which is a very difficult thing. Everytime an individual post an unauthorized-claim without any documented material, all it does is spreading false information, that misleads others. [B]I don't believe your opinion is right, and I also don't believe mine is right.
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[video=youtube;eoBdoBSlHok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoBdoBSlHok[/video]
Also, have we completely forgotten that the source says he's "accused" and not "convicted"?
[QUOTE=The bird Man;51170989]We're still not sure if capital punishment deter these types of crimes. How about you, me and everyone else leave this to professionals. These opinions are just dumb and leads to nothing but endless continues fighting. The only thing I can read in your posts, is that everything is decided by a moral compass of emotional factors, and that eliminates the entire purpose of criminal justice, since it must be 100% neutral, in order to set the appropriate sentence. Your morality differs from culture to culture, because environments shapes us fundementally. Other countries believes in torture, that one believes in death penalty, the other in rehabilitation. This is not up to us to decide, because it makes us blind. We must leave it to those who knows this topic; in the eyes of academics and science, we're just ignorant common folk that doesn't know anything in these matters, and we must accept that and let the experienced do their job. Our discussions today will only change the popular opinion, and we all know that because of history, and also current events, they can be faulty as well. This is nothing but ego boosting our self-righteousness of right and wrong (ex: my opinion is better than yours/etc). Even the most obvious and natural answer can be wrong, and that's why we must question ourselves, which is a very difficult thing. Everytime an individual post an unauthorized-claim without any documented material, all it does is spreading false information, that misleads others. [B]I don't believe your opinion is right, and I also don't believe mine is right.
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[video=youtube;eoBdoBSlHok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoBdoBSlHok[/video]
Also, have we completely forgotten that the source says he's "accused" and not "convicted"?[/QUOTE]
yeah, better leave that to professional, those type of thing are really too hard for me to accept.
Being objective and impartial is hard.
Honestly people like this deserved to be tortured everyday for the rest of their lives. Piece of shit.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;51170383]I think the idea of public hangings are great. Big public executions for heinous crimes, especially [i]slow[/i] executions are perfect deterrents to anyone else who can't keep their dick-in-a-vice.[/QUOTE]
it does not deter anything.
Look at the 3000 or so years where we had public executions, hands getting chopped off, etc... and see how much it actually deterred people from crimes.
A big hint: it didn't.
I'd wager that retribution like this would actually do nothing for deterrence. The once that are already fucked up enough to do something like that won't care about the consequences, and the ones that haven't reached that point yet will be to scared to seek professional help before they cross the line.
[QUOTE=Coffee;51170921]No he shouldn't.
He's clearly mentally ill and needs help, not execution.[/QUOTE]
Help or not his life is pretty much over, you don't just reintegrate into society when something this massive hangs over your head.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51170792]Nobody cares, he deserves to die.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
He should die for his action, cut and clears.
You kill, you get killed,
murder is the capital punishment unless you are mentally disabled.[/QUOTE]
What a primitive train of thought.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51170610]I don't give a fuck how much I get bitched at for this, [B]baby raping and murder is not something that should ever be defended[/B].[/QUOTE]
You've said this a few times, but I'm not seeing where people are defending what he did. I have no idea [I]why [/I]you confuse disapproval of public hanging (or the death penalty in general) with defending heinous crimes, but it isn't really helping anyone.
Why not get some guy to rape him, then hang him. Theres no going back in time. Whatever we do to him doesn't really matter
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;51171158]Why not get some guy to rape him, then hang him. Theres no going back in time. Whatever we do to him doesn't really matter[/QUOTE]
Yes it does, because you're still raping and murdering someone.
Jesus christ you people are scary
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;51171158]Why not get some guy to rape him, then hang him. Theres no going back in time. Whatever we do to him doesn't really matter[/QUOTE]
what the fuck is wrong with you jesus christ
[QUOTE=geel9;51171166]Yes it does, because you're still raping and murdering someone.
Jesus christ you people are scary[/QUOTE]
But are we more scary than baby rapist?
hahahah it's threads like this that make me wonder why I ever come into SH, mad that people on this website think that publicly hanging someone is a good form of justice
-how'd i end up here wrong thread-
[QUOTE=Megadave;51171216]But are we more scary than baby rapist?[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that as long as we don't rape babies, anything we do is fine?
Gee that sounds like a great course of action.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51171216]But are we more scary than baby rapist?[/QUOTE]
I'd say yeah in a way because you're advocating for it to be done as justice and revenge.
[QUOTE=geel9;51171273]Are you saying that as long as we don't rape babies, anything we do is fine?
Gee that sounds like a great course of action.[/QUOTE]
No, but baby rapist is THE lowest a person can get. I don't think there is a crime more heinous. If that doesn't deserve the death penalty, then might as well throw it out.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51171333]No, but baby rapist is THE lowest a person can get. I don't think there is a crime more heinous. If that doesn't deserve the death penalty, then might as well throw it out.[/QUOTE]
I agree, let's throw out the death penalty. It's a barbaric, savage custom that we need to be rid of.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51169937]This whole post is stupid because you argue that people who are against the death penalty are using "appeals to emotion..." Then go on to argue that the poor people who deal with this shit and clean up corpses and patrol prisons and treat victims and arrange funerals are so sickened by it, so they believe that public execution by hanging (which, by the way, kinda goes against the Constitution so good luck getting that overthrown with a little petition), is alright, which is also an appeal to emotion based entirely of the emotional responses by the people experiencing the horror (which also means lack of objectivity, which is not how judgement is actually passed in a civilized society. We don't let victims or funeral directors or prison guards or doctors or crime scene cleaners pass judgement, so their opinions on who lives and who dies are utterly worthless in a court of law. We let either an impartial judge or an impartial jury do it. But I shouldn't need to explain that, honestly).
Your argument is also based in the idea that these people must be killed in order to protect the sanctity of our society... Without realizing that if a convicted felon is in prison they are no longer a threat to the sanctity of our society.
Basically just a bunch of hypocritical nonsense.[/QUOTE]
This is idiotic. Nowhere did I say that they would be for a public execution, that's a nonsense claim by you. I said that they would be in favor of capital punishment. And no, for the record, you're wrong to claim that public execution "goes against the Constitution"; historically, we executed people in public (like every other country at the time did) well into the 1930s. We stopped because it was [i]considered[/i] to be in bad taste, Kentucky being the last state deciding to conduct executions privately (interestingly, the Governor of Kentucky regretted this afterwards). But that's totally irrelevant to my point since I'm not even saying this guy should be executed publicly, and I made sure to be very clear about that in my original post-- so unless you just have trouble reading, not sure where you picked up the idea that I was in favor of having him executed publicly from. And it's not an appeal to emotion; fact for fact, this is what they have to go through when they do their jobs. It's more than horrific, it's very inconvenient for them to have to deal with for reasons that shouldn't be difficult to imagine. In fact, a lot of them suffer from PTSD, depression, and other mental disorders as a result-- like soldiers who have to see death and killing on a regular basis. You can call that an appeal to emotion all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that this is just what happens and what it is like. It's easy to make judgement calls about things you have no experience with when you're a keyboard warrior, my point is simply that the people who actually do this stuff for a living don't care about you and your uneducated, irrelevant opinions. And actually, these people can be called in to testify in court about the nature of the crime, but since you're also claiming stuff about the law that's completely wrong, I'm not surprised you don't know this; the material they collect in the course of doing their jobs (evidence, I mean) is of course admissible in addition to them being allowed to attest to the nature of the crime (as in they're allowed to make statements about whether it was particularly heinous/gruesome, which makes sense given that, you know, this is part of how justice works, and they have a professional background dealing with this stuff).
And no, sorry, these people are still very much a threat even when they're incarcerated. They kill and injure people in prisons all the time, staff as well as other inmates. They also have a habit of tearing things up and causing trouble. Then when they're stuffed into solitary confinement or restrained somehow to keep them from doing this, people like you come along and claim that that's an inhumane way to treat them. OR, although it's rare, they manage to get out and hurt or kill somebody in the time they're free. In fact, that's what happened when Ted Bundy was initially picked up in Colorado in 1977; it happened twice, and in the time he was free after his second successful escape, he killed three more people and severely injured two others (one of which was left permanently disabled because of how badly he smashed her head in). Just a few years ago, there were three inmates who escaped from prison down in Arizona who killed a couple vacationing in New Mexico after they got out so they could steal their car (they also robbed them). After that, they got into a shootout with police, but fortunately nobody died. They were in prison in the first place for murder. It's almost like these people are just plain dangerous...
But whatever. Your mind is made up, and you're sold on your opinion regardless of the facts. There's nothing anybody can do to make a person who doesn't want to listen and learn something listen and learn. Again, just know that the people who actually matter and who actually deal with this stuff don't care in any case what you've got to say.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Coffee;51170921]No he shouldn't.
He's clearly mentally ill and needs help, not execution.[/QUOTE]
Okay, since you're an expert, you help him then.
[QUOTE=geel9;51171387]I agree, let's throw out the death penalty. It's a barbaric, savage custom that we need to be rid of.[/QUOTE]
Then life in prison it be. Point being, they shouldn't be allowed into normal society. They can't be helped, thats my point.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51171453]Then life in prison it be. Point being, they shouldn't be allowed into normal society. They can't be helped, thats my point.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, nobody's disputing that.
Life imprisonment, permanent solitary confinement.
Let him live a broken, helpless life for the next 50 some-odd years. It's the least he should get.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51171514]Life imprisonment, permanent solitary confinement.
Let him live a broken, helpless life for the next 50 some-odd years. It's the least he should get.[/QUOTE]
I'm also not for torture, which solitary confinement is.
I think the solution is simple: let him choose to go to prison or die. I fully support the right of anyone to commit suicide.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51168729]I feel like painlessly putting someone to sleep is far less barbaric than a public hanging that snaps their neck that may or may not kill them instantly or painlessly.[/QUOTE]
I think it isn't painless, those injections hurt like hell before they kill you I think.
[QUOTE=geel9;51171528]I'm also not for torture, which solitary confinement is.[/QUOTE]
Well then maybe he shouldn't have raped a baby
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
"Aw wahh he'll be all sad! :("
Well tough titters. Can't rehabilitate him, can't kill him, so let him rot all by himself. He still gets to suckle off of taxpayer money for the rest of his life.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51171554]Well then maybe he shouldn't have raped a baby
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
"Aw wahh he'll be all sad! :("
Well tough titters. Can't rehabilitate him, can't kill him, so let him rot all by himself. He still gets to suckle off of taxpayer money for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
If by "sad" you mean "tortured" then yeah, you're right. I don't think someone should be tortured.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51171554]Well then maybe he shouldn't have raped a baby[/QUOTE]
We have to have some bottom line that applies to everyone, no matter what they've done. Otherwise, treatment of humans becomes malleable based on someone's opinions and feelings. You can disagree with torture being off-limits, and you can disagree with execution being off-limits, but we can't make exceptions case-by-case. So, are you willing to argue that torture should be available as a punishment for criminals?
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51171004]Honestly people like this deserved to be tortured everyday for the rest of their lives. Piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
This is something I've noticed, every time an argument like this is posted, there's no reason or logic or backup or anything. It's always just "he should die/be tortured forever... Because he's bad!!!". Same with all the other threads. There always the assumption of knowledge of his ability to be rehabilitated, as if you have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51171645]This is actually really nice I find. People arent holding back.
People here on SH are really honest about their opinions, reinforced with anonymity and thereof lack of IRL repercussions, they say whatever they believe and argue for it. I think this is beautiful. Even when it is kicking muslims out or publicly hanging people.
Remember, this is not about FP or SH. These people exist in real life, mostly silently. Remember that this petition is very real and exists outside the internet.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I was already somewhat under the impression that the pro-death-penalty mindset was more mainstream and accepted than the anti-death-penalty one.
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