• TPP Basically Dead due to Trump Win
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[url]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/mpaa-backed-trans-pacific-partnership-accord-dead-in-wake-of-trump-win/[/url] [QUOTE]The Trans-Pacific Partnership, a proposed and controversial 12-nation trade pact dealing with everything from intellectual property to human rights, effectively died Friday. Congressional leaders from both parties told the White House they would no longer consider it with a lame duck president, even one who staunchly backed the plan. Among the reasons the deal was relevant to Ars readers is because of how it treated intellectual property. The TPP exported US copyright law regarding how long a copyright lasts. For signing nations, the plan would have made copyrights last for the life of the creator plus 70 years after his or her death. That's basically the same as in the US. When the 2,000-page text of the deal was released in November last year—after negotiations were done in secret—the Motion Picture Association of America hailed it. "The TPP reaffirms what we have long understood—that strengthening copyright is integral to America’s creative community and to facilitating legitimate international commerce," Chris Dodd, the MPAA chairman, said. At one point last year, many feared the TPP would require signing companies to mandate that Internet service providers terminate accounts for Internet copyright scofflaws. That, however, never materialized. In the US, many of the top ISPs have a six-strikes consumer infringement program.[/QUOTE]
Rest in piss TPeePee.
Well at least we don't have to worry for the next 4 years, at least until they try to bring it back under a different name and with a different president (assuming Trump doesn't get re-elected) Was it really as bad as it was made out to seem?
[QUOTE=Killer900;51361475]Well at least we don't have to worry for the next 4 years, at least until they try to bring it back under a different name and with a different president (assuming Trump doesn't get re-elected) Was it really as bad as it was made out to seem?[/QUOTE] It just makes copyright law even more disgusting than it already is, and other various corporate BS thrown in. I like free trade but make it free trade without the other shit pls
A huge problem with TPP was that it was worded vaguely by design, so that pretty much any fleeting case a company might want to put forth they could conceivably win by throwing enough money behind it. Like unless i'm mixing things up, in one far-fetched example- conceivably an international water-distributing company could sue a sovereign state under TPP for having public water services since it is an unfair competitor under TPP. Same with public hospitals, public transportation, etc. As i said, far-fetched, but possible given the very very vague wording. So i'm glad its gone.
TPP is dead, anime is safe.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51361475]Well at least we don't have to worry for the next 4 years, at least until they try to bring it back under a different name and with a different president (assuming Trump doesn't get re-elected) Was it really as bad as it was made out to seem?[/QUOTE] he's already got an open door policy to lobbiests, a very strong anti-union streak, and no experience negotiating these sort of things, plus his staff is made up of the very same kind of pro-trade, pro-globalisation voices that negotiated the trade deals under bush. unless he proves us all wrong again, his presidency is shaping up to be run by the republican institution.
It will return... The corrupt government liches will bring it back from the dead as a new deal with a different name.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51361491]It just makes copyright law even more disgusting than it already is, and other various corporate BS thrown in. I like free trade but make it free trade without the other shit pls[/QUOTE] I think the logic behind the 'other shit' is to create an as-even playing field as possible. Sure, a basic FTA could be made which simply scraps tariffs. But if one country has this kind of copyright law, and another country has a completely different copyright law, it might create an unfair advantage for businesses in one country, over businesses in the other. In a free trade market, that can have nasty implications for growth, jobs, etc. Which is why many FTAs are more-complicated than just 'no tariffs lol'. They have to also create a ruleset for each country to abide by.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51361541]It will return... The corrupt government liches will bring it back from the dead as a new deal with a different name.[/QUOTE] I can't wait for "The Christ Resurrecting Baby Saving LGBTQ Friendly Gluten Free Partnership" to come and be even worse than the TPP
One tiny silver lining.
It would have died anyways, Clinton was against it. Unless they somehow stacked congress with enough pro-TPP congresspersons for a 2/3rds majority.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51361704]It would have died anyways, Clinton was against it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/terry-mcauliffe-hillary-clinton-tpp-trade-226253[/url] totally
[QUOTE=Wii60;51361750][url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/terry-mcauliffe-hillary-clinton-tpp-trade-226253[/url] totally[/QUOTE] Well her campaign did deny and and she stopped supporting it before the campaign season started. I also don't think there was enough political capital even from Democrats in congress to push it forward. It was almost definitely doing to die regardless of who won but Trump's victory and Republicans winning control of Congress make it a surety.
I guess there's at least one thing to be happy about v:v:v
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51361704]It would have died anyways, Clinton was against it. Unless they somehow stacked congress with enough pro-TPP congresspersons for a 2/3rds majority.[/QUOTE] she did vote for it like 45 times. not to mention she's the one who talked about having a 'public and private position' so who knows.
[quote]"The TPP reaffirms what we have long understood—that strengthening copyright is integral to America’s creative community and to facilitating legitimate international commerce," Chris Dodd, the MPAA chairman, said.[/quote] Oh fuck off already! Copyright has been the worst thing to happen the creative industry for the past 30+ years. Thanks Disney!
[QUOTE=space1;51362257]Oh fuck off already! Copyright has been the worst thing to happen the creative industry for the past 30+ years. Thanks MPAA![/QUOTE] FTFY
[QUOTE=chemo;51362272]FTFY[/QUOTE] They're both responsible.
Eat shit MPAA and big pharma At least I can get some satisfaction out of a Trump presidency
According to a Wikileaks tweet Obama is gonna try and get it passed before Trump can take the office. I don't know how reliable that is but we're not out of the woods yet when it comes to this thing if it's true.
[QUOTE=TectoImprov;51362310]According to a Wikileaks tweet Obama is gonna try and get it passed before Trump can take the office. I don't know how reliable that is but we're not out of the woods yet when it comes to this thing if it's true.[/QUOTE] Wikileaks is nothing like what it used to be. They are absolute garbage now. Just as bad as RT or Breitbart. Both sides of Congress are refusing to consider the TPP while a lame duck President is in office, and as a lame duck President, Obama won't press the issue either. The only point of Obama's presidency at the moment is holding down the fort until January 20th.
[QUOTE=TectoImprov;51362310]According to a Wikileaks tweet Obama is gonna try and get it passed before Trump can take the office. I don't know how reliable that is but we're not out of the woods yet when it comes to this thing if it's true.[/QUOTE] Wikileaks has basically turned into a tabloid over the course of this election.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51362327]Wikileaks has basically turned into a tabloid over the course of this election.[/QUOTE] Have they released anything false or untrue? Or are you just salty that they had a shit ton of Hillary leaks?
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51361704]It would have died anyways, Clinton was against it. Unless they somehow stacked congress with enough pro-TPP congresspersons for a 2/3rds majority.[/QUOTE] Was that her public or private opinion?
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51361704]It would have died anyways, Clinton was against it. Unless they somehow stacked congress with enough pro-TPP congresspersons for a 2/3rds majority.[/QUOTE] Then why wasn't it officially declared dead back when both Hillary and Trump clinched their respective party nominations? They both supposedly opposed TPP. It's because Hillary was lying about it and as soon as she was going to take office she was going to flip on it.
[QUOTE=Mr._N;51362448][B]Then why wasn't it officially declared dead back when both Hillary and Trump clinched their respective party nominations?[/B] They both supposedly opposed TPP. It's because Hillary was lying about it and as soon as she was going to take office she was going to flip on it.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean by officially but it's because Trump won the general and both parties spent a good bit of the election season running away from TPP. It would be tremendously bad politics if Clinton won and convinced Congressional democrats (who just lost the senate) to pursue it again. Of course I also think, given what we saw from the transcripts of her speeches, she would probably pursue a similar free trade arrangement later in her presidency.
[QUOTE=DuCT;51362429]Have they released anything false or untrue? Or are you just salty that they had a shit ton of Hillary leaks?[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with what they released, just how they sensationalize shit. Even on their twitter they have posts about how Obama legalized assassinating literally anyone. [editline]13th November 2016[/editline] They aren't irredeemable but I really feel like they are teetering on the edge and I'd rather a watchdog organization take a more unbiased approach than what they do.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51362545]It has nothing to do with what they released, just how they sensationalize shit. Even on their twitter they have posts about how Obama legalized assassinating literally anyone. [editline]13th November 2016[/editline] They aren't irredeemable but I really feel like they are teetering on the edge and I'd rather a watchdog organization take a more unbiased approach than what they do.[/QUOTE] How is sensationalization still considered bias nowadays if EVERYONE is practicing it? Look at all the media poll fuck up, ain't that an example of pro-hillary bias? Or what about BBC handling their captions in regard to ongoing riots? Not soo neutral either. There is no unbias media left in the world, soo what wikileaks doing is more than fitting in a rulebook of modern media coverage - capitalize on news to gather attention toward issue that is considered important for your agenda.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;51362651]How is sensationalization still considered bias nowadays if EVERYONE is practicing it? Look at all the media poll fuck up, ain't that an example of pro-hillary bias? Or what about BBC handling their captions in regard to ongoing riots? Not soo neutral either. There is no unbias media left in the world, soo what wikileaks doing is more than fitting in a rulebook of modern media coverage - capitalize on news to gather attention toward issue that is considered important for your agenda.[/QUOTE] "everybody does it" does not make it ok. Especially if it's supposed to be a watchdog group dedicated to exposing corruption.
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