• Black Lives Matter claims child was pepper-sprayed during protest; investigation ordered
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[QUOTE=amute;47726999]Neither are black lives.[/QUOTE] You been living under a rock, son?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47727617]Pointing fingers at the people who do dumb shit in the name of a movement is the fastest way to discredit it, which is idiotic[/QUOTE] It is idiotic, and I completely agree with the rest of your post, but the point is it happens, it has happened and it will continue to happen. The media grasps to those fringe groups because it's more "interesting" and a lot of people aren't going to spend the time researching these movements, so all they know is what the person on the TV or radio tells them. Changing the name won't fix it either, but it will give those people who want to use a movement's name to push their own agenda that much less to grasp on to. I guess from my perspective when you're making a movement, for anything, you should try to do everything you can from preventing the primary message(s) or goal(s) of the movement from being muddied by those fringe groups.
Your mountain of evidence is news stories, right? During a period of time where news companies are focusing mainly on black fatalities in these cases? Believe me, if news sites reported every single case of police brutality, your "mountain of evidence" would be mingling alongside Asians, Caucasians, and Hispanics just alike. The main reason for their being "mountains of evidence" for black discrimination is because that's a huge subject right now, and the news tries to make things as sensationalist as possible to get more views. What better way than to poke a touchy subject? [QUOTE=Seiteki;47728033]-bird tweeting-[/QUOTE] Is that not exactly what Black Lives Matter people are doing by exclusively making it about Black Lives, then getting uncomfortable when someone says All Lives Matter?
[QUOTE=cody8295;47723986]*all* lives matter[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/4sryFf5.png[/img]
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47727536] The point is, if (for example) the feminist movement was called the equality movement or something, it would be much harder for those prescribing inequality to use the banner of the movement because even the name highlights the conflicts.[/QUOTE] The "egalitarian" movement is chock full of people who could not be further from egalitarians so the name of the movement doesn't really help keep shitty people out.
[QUOTE=Seiteki;47728033][img]http://i.imgur.com/4sryFf5.png[/img][/QUOTE] Is this like when every piece of media that doesn't have a black person in it becomes racist?
[QUOTE=archangel125;47727845]You been living under a rock, son?[/QUOTE] Uh no, I just don't take a handful of cases as evidence that the police are being somehow genocidal against black people.
[QUOTE=amute;47729263]Uh no, I just don't take a handful of cases as evidence that the police are being somehow genocidal against black people.[/QUOTE] you do know that the Ferguson police department was exposed to being corrupt and racist, right?
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;47728020]Your mountain of evidence is news stories, right? During a period of time where news companies are focusing mainly on black fatalities in these cases? Believe me, if news sites reported every single case of police brutality, your "mountain of evidence" would be mingling alongside Asians, Caucasians, and Hispanics just alike. The main reason for their being "mountains of evidence" for black discrimination is because that's a huge subject right now, and the news tries to make things as sensationalist as possible to get more views. What better way than to poke a touchy subject? Is that not exactly what Black Lives Matter people are doing by exclusively making it about Black Lives, then getting uncomfortable when someone says All Lives Matter?[/QUOTE] Well, the most recent and damning piece of proof is the Ferguson investigation conducted by the Department of Justice, which revealed a system of oppression and racially targeted policies specifically aimed at exploiting minorities, of which the results are barely a month old. Not exactly tabloid race baiting, that. This is only one thing, but it's so conclusive that denying its findings is nothing short of delusional.
like above, they should have suspected things might get violent, it's happened to protests of the SAME FUCKING CAUSE seriously people, use your heads please. hire a babysitter or something. being a child doesn't mean you're immune to shit like pepperspray and teargas. accidents can happen.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;47727073]Yeah man white people definitely have it just as bad discrimination doesn't exist :downs:[/QUOTE] Police violence is the issue. People in general can be racist, and that is a problem, but the real problem that we need to deal with is unnecessary violence in the police force.
[QUOTE=katbug;47730792]Police violence is the issue. People in general can be racist, and that is a problem, but the real problem that we need to deal with is unnecessary violence in the police force.[/QUOTE] Agreed, police use of force needs to be examined on a whole. There needs to be a greater emphasis on the proper escalation of force, conflict resolution, nonlethal training, and more spent on the research and development of more effective and more reliable nonlethal weapons. However, let's not ignore that police overreach disproportionately effects minorities. By a wide margin. It is extremely disingenuous to imply that the biggest problem here is not race-related when it so clearly and demonstratably is. With better training and tools, the amount of force used by police might experience a drop along the board. Great! But without addressing the racial aspects in a serious and honest effort, minorities would still face the bulk of it.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47730941]Agreed, police use of force needs to be examined on a whole. There needs to be a greater emphasis on the proper escalation of force, conflict resolution, nonlethal training, and more spent on the research and development of more effective and more reliable nonlethal weapons. However, let's not ignore that police overreach disproportionately effects minorities. By a wide margin. It is extremely disingenuous to imply that the biggest problem here is not race-related when it so clearly and demonstratably is. With better training and tools, the amount of force used by police might experience a drop along the board. Great! But without addressing the racial aspects in a serious and honest effort, minorities would still face the bulk of it.[/QUOTE] The racial aspect directly mirrors the violent crime rates across races, which can be tied back to economic standing and social structure. You could argue that this economic standing is based off of lasting racial issues, but that's another issue entirely.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;47725047]I didn't blow that kid up grenades explode all over the place not my fault he was hit by it.[/QUOTE] Oh no, he knew it would get everywhere. He knew damn well. Thats why he sprayed it. If you're apart of the group, expect to share the consequences. You bring your child to something like this and pepper spray starts flying dont you go complaining about your child being hit with some.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47731218]Oh no, he knew it would get everywhere. He knew damn well. Thats why he sprayed it. If you're apart of the group, expect to share the consequences. You bring your child to something like this and pepper spray starts flying dont you go complaining about your child being hit with some.[/QUOTE] Maybe the people using a (nonlethal) chemical weapon to quell protests with no regard to collateral are at least partially at fault.
[QUOTE=katbug;47731018]The racial aspect directly mirrors the violent crime rates across races, which can be tied back to economic standing and social structure. You could argue that this economic standing is based off of lasting racial issues, but that's another issue entirely.[/QUOTE] It's not a separate issue if the very problems you're attempting to excuse based on crime rates in the black community are actually the cause of those elevated crime rates.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;47732024]Maybe the people using a (nonlethal) chemical weapon to quell protests with no regard to collateral are at least partially at fault.[/QUOTE] Lets not call them "Chemical weapons"- its not mustard gas; its a chemical irritant. The idea is to disperse the crowd. Did it work? Yep. Was the child in the crowd? Yep.
Like I've said in the past. Michelle Alexanders book, [I][URL="http://www.amazon.com/New-Jim-Crow-Incarceration-Colorblindness/dp/1595586431/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8"]The New Jim Crow[/URL][/I], needs to be read by every American as soon as possible because it lays out very well the fact that our colorblind policies negatively affect marginalized minorities.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47725755]I really can't stand when people use the term "black community" as a synonym for "thug culture." It marginalizes the entire race by purposefully choosing the worst of the entire race as the "example" for the rest of them. Is black culture jazz musicians playing in upscale restaurants? No, it's [I]always[/I] the criminal thugs glorified by hip-hop. Every time. Zero regard for any other option. White culture isn't meth-addled assholes shooting their inbred sisters in trailer parks. Why the fuck do people treat the "black community" as if it's entirely, 100% defined by the lowest of the low of all black people? It's an inherently racist term. People don't talk about "asian culture" referring entirely to drugged out filipinos living in slums. People don't talk about "hispanic culture" like that, or "the white community." The entire idea that the "black community" needs to step up and make up for the actions of the lowest of the low of their race is an inherently marginalizing and racist point of view. As a white person, I never feel the need to apologize and make up for the actions of meth users hiding in abandoned buildings. I never feel like I should have to apologize for the actions of other white people. Why do people seem to think black people, as a whole, need to do this? The vast majority of black people aren't "thugs," and the fact that people somehow don't think it's racist to pigeonhole an entire race into one "community" and then use that "community" to scapegoat why it's okay to hate the "culture," is amazing to me.[/QUOTE] I didn't intend to use the terms in synonym, and I apologize for that. However I do believe that we in the black community need to do what we can about "thug culture", if we can do anything at all, its not that i think any of us need to apologize the lowest of our low, its just that many individuals entrapped by it won't listen anyone outside the black community. Its an issue because of its prominence. Its an easy thing to fall into for many, and although those who have are small in number, the issue is its glorification more than anything else. I'm sorry for typing like an ignorant shitlord, i'm not so good at articulating things through text.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47724092]Not what we're focusing on. Black lives is the priority at the moment. White lives have never been in danger from the police on a macro scale.[/QUOTE] "We're for equality! except right now we're more important"
[QUOTE=gk99;47734022]"We're for equality! except right now we're more important"[/QUOTE] Really the focus should be on the lack of effective oversight and accountable for the police in general. The former especially is the key issue as the thousands of "small" cases of prejudices towards individuals or groups is far more damaging overall than the few extreme cases which end up in the national spotlight.
[QUOTE=gk99;47734022]"We're for equality! except right now we're more important"[/QUOTE] Haha, where the hell are you insecure racist nutters getting this weird sense of persecution from? It defies all logic, dude. An oppressed minority demanding fair treatment does not in any way imply that they think other races should receive less fair treatment.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47735725]Haha, where the hell are you insecure racist nutters getting this weird sense of persecution from? It defies all logic, dude. An oppressed minority demanding fair treatment does not in any way imply that they think other races should receive less fair treatment.[/QUOTE] no but anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white though!
Martin Luther King: Herald of the White Genocide
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47724092]Not what we're focusing on. Black lives is the priority at the moment. White lives have never been in danger from the police on a macro scale.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IrLeebhXwV4/VSlxCP_xCgI/AAAAAAAAPX8/7GnoAKa9aa4/s1600/race%2Bof%2Bthose%2Bkilled%2Bby%2Bpolice.JPG[/IMG] Really they haven't been?
[QUOTE=WTFTY;47737019][IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IrLeebhXwV4/VSlxCP_xCgI/AAAAAAAAPX8/7GnoAKa9aa4/s1600/race%2Bof%2Bthose%2Bkilled%2Bby%2Bpolice.JPG[/IMG] Really they haven't been?[/QUOTE] this also does not take into account what they were killed for, just the death toll for instance the white population on this chart getting killed by cops were because they had weapons or they had just murdered someone or whatever the reason why there is a large focus on police violence against black people recently is because its finally coming to light how many innocents are killed whereas you don't hear about white people playing around with a toy gun in a store and getting shot immediately ya feel
[QUOTE=WTFTY;47737019][IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IrLeebhXwV4/VSlxCP_xCgI/AAAAAAAAPX8/7GnoAKa9aa4/s1600/race%2Bof%2Bthose%2Bkilled%2Bby%2Bpolice.JPG[/IMG] Really they haven't been?[/QUOTE] well obviously there's a problem considering that 30% of killings are against blacks despite them only being [I]13 percent of the population[/I] while whites are only half of police killings despite being [I]77 percent of the population[/I] do you not understand basic proportions or what
How can you go from saying [QUOTE=WebMD;47737091]this also does not take into account what they were killed for, just the death toll[/QUOTE] to saying [Quote]for instance the white population on this chart getting killed by cops were because they had weapons or they had just murdered someone or whatever [/Quote]
Yeah, that chart alone says precisely nothing because it doesn't differentiate between justified and unjustified killings, and it also doesn't show whether police are more or less reluctant to shoot someone [I]even when they have justification for it[/I] based on skin colour.
Most of this issue stems from the fact American culture is unbelievably racist to begin with. People are still being categorized as white/black/hispanic/asian/whatever the fuck and even if nothing comes out of that categorization, the fact it's being made and the fact that it's accepted is a problem in itself. It may be the most visible in police activity, but the US in general is a racist mess in which everyone participates, even the minorities which are being categorized. [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47735774]Martin Luther King: Herald of the White Genocide[/QUOTE] Kind of sad that MLK had to instruct his followers specifically to not become racist fuckheads (he literally warned about "black supremacy", word for word) but people still went ahead and became racist fuckheads.
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