• Jim Carrey on California Vaccine Law: Gov. Jerry Brown Is 'Fascist'
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[QUOTE=Megadave;48093593]Come on, I don't believe we should be forcing people to take vaccines but it's been proven that they don't cause autism.[/QUOTE] Look at all these dumbs So many people here are perfectly fine with the state owning their children's flesh
[QUOTE=lazyguy;48102342]Look at all these dumbs So many people here are perfectly fine with the state owning their children's flesh[/QUOTE] and yet there are also so many people that are complacent with allowing easily-prevented childhood diseases running rampant and killing an obscene amount of people
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48096693]"chemicals" is a shitty buzzword thrown around by the uneducated. Right now, this very moment you're breathing in dozens of "chemicals", all of which were naturally formed (I'm ignoring the pollutants as that's even [I]more[/I] chemicals) and are perfectly safe. "Chemical" is an utterly meaningless word when used like this. You are made from chemicals, you eat and drink chemicals all day every day, you wear them and right now are typing on them. "chemicals" are not inherently bad. Name the toxins the government are apparently trying to steal you thoughts with through needles and maybe, just maybe, you have an argument.[/QUOTE] Relevant: [IMG]https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10685378_1055635204457490_2459984757773138912_n.png?oh=f25218f3f91dfe6aab3009b6fb50f7ab&oe=5610805B[/IMG]
Eh, I'm on the fence with vaccines. I don't think they cause autism, but nobody has really confirmed that they are 100% safe.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48103084]Eh, I'm on the fence with vaccines. I don't think they cause autism, but nobody has really confirmed that they are 100% safe.[/QUOTE] If they weren't 100% safe as evidence suggests, the fact that there is controversy at all and not people clearly dying from vaccines shows they're still [I]orders of magnitude[/I] better than the risk of the diseases they prevent. People forgoing vaccines are avoiding that possible (and largely debunked) risk while mooching off the herd immunity provided by others around them. Even if vaccines had a minor risk of causing autism (which [I]they don't[/I]), it would still be far preferable to outbreaks of lethal diseases. Look, I don't mean to shit on you for this, but 'nobody has really confirmed that they are 100% safe' is essentially 'nobody has really proven that evolution is 100% real'. It's a scientifically wrong statement cloaked in terms of neutrality and it's the kind of 'teach the controversy!' thinking that leads to nonsense like anti-vax getting supported by the public.
I don't know, I'd rather know what I'm being injected with instead of "shut up and let me inject you with this, it's good for you."
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48103146]I don't know, I'd rather know what I'm being injected with instead of "shut up and let me inject you with this, it's good for you."[/QUOTE] Yeah, and it's all out there. Seriously, the amount of data on vaccine safety is [url=https://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf]simply overwhelming[/url]. To say 'I don't know, therefore I'm on the fence' is to willfully reject the preponderance of evidence that clearly shows one answer and then try to use that ignorance as a defense.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48103146]I don't know, I'd rather know what I'm being injected with instead of "shut up and let me inject you with this, it's good for you."[/QUOTE] You want to know but you're not looking it up? It's all out there, no one's hiding this information from you. They just never bother telling you at the doctor's office because most people are not chemists or biologists and really would have no use for that information.
[QUOTE=catbarf;48103189]Yeah, and it's all out there. Seriously, the amount of data on vaccine safety is [url=https://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf]simply overwhelming[/url]. To say 'I don't know, therefore I'm on the fence' is to willfully reject the preponderance of evidence that clearly shows one answer and then try to use that ignorance as a defense.[/QUOTE] Where did you find this? I just google searched what is in the vaccines, and I ended up getting this for an answer. [quote]Vaccines are made with ingredients that make them safe and effective to protect your child from disease.[/quote]
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48103146]I don't know, I'd rather know what I'm being injected with instead of "shut up and let me inject you with this, it's good for you."[/QUOTE] This is not the supplement industry where you can bullshit your way through the "ingredient" list by stating what [B]might[/B] be in the pill, this is not even the food industry where you can get away with putting "flavouring" or "colourant" and be done with it. Every single chemical that goes into a vaccine is carefully documented (as it should be). You are not being misled in anyway. You are free to do your research into what goes into the vaccine, you are free to request the formulation that comes with the box. You are free to look it up online. You not doing your research does not mean you are being told "shut up and let me inject you with this". In fact if whatever article you want on vaccines or their formulation is behind a paywall, drop me a PM and I will do my hardest to access it and send you a copy. Just use Google Scholar to find the abstracts and go on from there.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48099742]It breaks down into ethylmercury, not methyl. It has a half life of 18 days, and was thought to have had similar properties to the methylmercury, but didn't. A vaccine generally contains .01% thimerosal, which is effective at killing the majority of potential pathogens. This is around 50 micrograms of thimerosal, or 25 micrograms of mercury by weight. [url]http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228[/url] In essence, you don't know what you are talking and shouldn't try to act smart without doing research.[/QUOTE] Sorry got them mixed up but it still produces inorganic mercury that has a half life of 120 days. Thats where I got that number from. I was just using it as an example of dangerous adjuvants in vaccines. "The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied" So when you say that you should do research before you start talking it goes full circle. Making assumptions about possibly dangerous chemicals and cherry picking a study by a government agency that doesn't actually do the testing themselves is pretty ironic. Also to add onto this Mercury is dealt with pretty well when it's ingested Yes it still gets into your body but we are talking about injecting even small amounts of ethylmercury directly into your bloodstream/Intramuscular inherently passing your blood brain barrier. Ive heard nurses say that 'oh its less mercury than in a can of tuna!' that may be true but that's ingestion and its much different than having it pass all the filters in your body that are designed to keep this type of stuff out. I found an interesting article on the regards of mitochondrial health and ethylmercury. You guys should check it out. [url]http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2012/373678/[/url]
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48103816]Sorry got them mixed up but it still produces inorganic mercury that has a half life of 120 days. Thats where I got that number from. I was just using it as an example of dangerous adjuvants in vaccines. "The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied" So when you say that you should do research before you start talking it goes full circle. Making assumptions about possibly dangerous chemicals and cherry picking a study by a government agency that doesn't actually do the testing themselves is pretty ironic. Also to add onto this Mercury is dealt with pretty well when it's ingested Yes it still gets into your body but we are talking about injecting even small amounts of ethylmercury directly into your bloodstream/Intramuscular inherently passing your blood brain barrier. Ive heard nurses say that 'oh its less mercury than in a can of tuna!' that may be true but that's ingestion and its much different than having it pass all the filters in your body that are designed to keep this type of stuff out. I found an interesting article on the regards of mitochondrial health and ethylmercury. You guys should check it out. [url]http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2012/373678/[/url][/QUOTE] Despite a significant lack of scientifically substantiated evidence regarding it's apparent dangers, thiomersal hasn't been an ingredient in vaccines for the last six years. So what are you on about?
[QUOTE=Zombii;48103962]Despite a significant lack of scientifically substantiated evidence regarding it's apparent dangers, thiomersal hasn't been an ingredient in vaccines for the last six years. So what are you on about?[/QUOTE] Do you just skip over the part where I said 'for example'? And lack of dangers? Its well documented that its toxic if you even touch the stuff let alone inject it into your body. "Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[16] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[8]" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal[/url] [url]http://www.emdmillipore.com/US/en/product/Thimerosal,MDA_CHEM-817043;pgid=WZtMKfaYs81SRpEoh9VgbI720000iHJDE1zz?CategoryName=000000260002436400020023&CategoryDomainName=Merck-MerckMillipore#anchor_Toxicological[/url] Information
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48104131]Do you just skip over the part where I said 'for example'? And lack of dangers? Its well documented that its toxic if you even touch the stuff let alone inject it into your body. "Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[16] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[8]" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal[/url] [url]http://www.emdmillipore.com/US/en/product/Thimerosal,MDA_CHEM-817043;pgid=WZtMKfaYs81SRpEoh9VgbI720000iHJDE1zz?CategoryName=000000260002436400020023&CategoryDomainName=Merck-MerckMillipore#anchor_Toxicological[/url] Information[/QUOTE] Except that ethylmercury has a half-life in the bloodstream of 2 weeks and requires a significant concentration (far higher than the dosage you would receive from a vaccine shot) to be detrimental or toxic to neural function. In addition, the inorganic mercury metabolic products that you were referring to with a half-life of 120 days are far less toxic (through non-understood mechanisms) than inorganic mercury absorbed through inhalation or through the skin.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48096470]This is so damn ironic, you are the one who refuses to look at the possibility THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT LIES TO YOU. Do you live under a fucking rock, or do you just believe whatever the fuck you are told because "Legitimate Source!!!!!!"[/QUOTE] Enjoy your meningitis. [editline]2nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48104131]Do you just skip over the part where I said 'for example'? And lack of dangers? Its well documented that its toxic if you even touch the stuff let alone inject it into your body. "Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[16] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[8]" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal[/url] [url]http://www.emdmillipore.com/US/en/product/Thimerosal,MDA_CHEM-817043;pgid=WZtMKfaYs81SRpEoh9VgbI720000iHJDE1zz?CategoryName=000000260002436400020023&CategoryDomainName=Merck-MerckMillipore#anchor_Toxicological[/url] Information[/QUOTE] You too. Have fun with that. Me? I'll take a miniscule, non-harmful amount of thiomersal.
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48104131]Do you just skip over the part where I said 'for example'? And lack of dangers? Its well documented that its toxic if you even touch the stuff let alone inject it into your body. "Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[16] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[8]" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal[/url] [url]http://www.emdmillipore.com/US/en/product/Thimerosal,MDA_CHEM-817043;pgid=WZtMKfaYs81SRpEoh9VgbI720000iHJDE1zz?CategoryName=000000260002436400020023&CategoryDomainName=Merck-MerckMillipore#anchor_Toxicological[/url] Information[/QUOTE] These sources and quotes are nice and all, but have you actually heard of anyone being poisoned by a vaccine? If they fucked you up they wouldn't be giving them to anybody
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;48104614]These sources and quotes are nice and all, but have you actually heard of anyone being poisoned by a vaccine? If they fucked you up they wouldn't be giving them to anybody[/QUOTE] No, as much as I believe in vaccines and will defend them to the best of my abilities and knowledge I don't think this kind of argument is the way. Whether he is right or wrong, at least Smoked2Joints is quoting scientific literature and is debating in the same way. Anecdotal evidence should not be used by either party. Just because you don't know someone who is being poisoned by vaccines does not mean they are safe. Evidence from long term, multi centre studies is the way to go. On topic, ethylmercury is more of a danger in patients undergoing immunoglobulin treatments, work related exposure or exposure through diet than the tiny amount found in vaccines. The long term IV treatment and exposure through other drugs that contain ethylmercury is the more important risk. Here is the abstract of the review I found/used to come to these conclusions. There is a few more figures/tables after the abstract, so if you absolutely want to have a read of the full thing tell me. [url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jat.721/abstract[/url]
He [I]just[/I] started up again, this time screaming about Vaccines in all caps.
He has all the time and money in the world and still chooses to not only be uninformed but also use his celebrity status to spread disinformation? Fuck him.
[URL="https://twitter.com/CarreyOnSecurty"]And this parody Twitter account has popped up.[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SuXDu65.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48103816]Sorry got them mixed up but it still produces inorganic mercury that has a half life of 120 days. Thats where I got that number from. I was just using it as an example of dangerous adjuvants in vaccines. "The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied" So when you say that you should do research before you start talking it goes full circle. Making assumptions about possibly dangerous chemicals and cherry picking a study by a government agency that doesn't actually do the testing themselves is pretty ironic. Also to add onto this Mercury is dealt with pretty well when it's ingested Yes it still gets into your body but we are talking about injecting even small amounts of ethylmercury directly into your bloodstream/Intramuscular inherently passing your blood brain barrier. Ive heard nurses say that 'oh its less mercury than in a can of tuna!' that may be true but that's ingestion and its much different than having it pass all the filters in your body that are designed to keep this type of stuff out. I found an interesting article on the regards of mitochondrial health and ethylmercury. You guys should check it out. [URL]http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2012/373678/[/URL][/QUOTE] "acute mercury poisoning from thimerosal-containing products were found in the medical literature with total doses of thimerosal ranging from approximately[B] 3 mg/kg to several hundred mg/kg.[/B] " Also: "Diagnosis of elemental or inorganic mercury poisoning involves determining the history of exposure, physical findings, and an elevated body burden of mercury. Although whole-blood mercury concentrations are typically less than 6 μg/L, diets rich in fish can result in blood mercury concentrations higher than 200 μg/L; it is not that useful to measure these levels for suspected cases of elemental or inorganic poisoning because of mercury's short half-life in the blood." [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning#Diagnosis[/URL] And finally, as for bio availability(goes into the blood and spread through the body) of methyl mercury orally, in loons(study into environmental effects on them) it is at a whopping 83%(it is page 8 of the pdf, 710 on the top, in the discussion section), which according to the study here: [URL]http://web.archive.org/web/20100611205109/http://wildlife.wisc.edu/faculty/karasov/publications/2002%20fourneir%20et%20al%20oral%20bioavailability.pdf[/URL] is similar to other warm blooded animals, with rats being upwards of 90%, but fish are more varied. Are you seriously going to claim that a vaccine is more dangerous than a tuna sandwich which will give you far more mercury even when you take into account bio availability differences between different methods of administration? [QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48103571]Where did you find this? I just google searched what is in the vaccines, and I ended up getting this for an answer.[/QUOTE] That is actually the best general answer you will get. Why? Every single manufacturer uses different equipment and every vaccine design is different in formulation. You would need to look up the list of ingredients for the one you are looking into.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48096685]I am paranoid, not about this though, I don't take vaccines. Only info on studies I can find for vaccines are on .gov sites, yes vaccines are made by the government and distributed to doctors. If not tell me the company, give me ANY Info other then how it was apparently perfected by real doctors, because I think machines make them(call me crazy.) Ive been looking at this thread for 55 minutes now, I guess i've said everything that I have to say. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or be a dick, it fuckin discourages me how people in this day and age are so willing to just go along with anything. Don't trust the US gvmnt, thats all I have to say.[/QUOTE] Because obviously only the US government is responsible for all the vaccines around the world Between this and "papa obama", why exactly do you think the world revolves around the USA? Disregarding the fact that the gubbermint isn't even "responsible" for any vaccines but whatever
[QUOTE=darth-veger;48094298]I dunno about you but if i had the option to avoid autism i definitely would.[/QUOTE] It's still better then being dead.
I like how he says he is against having too much mercury in vaccines and then most people will jump on that and say he is anti-vaccines. You can see these people trying to manipulate you from a mile away. He says he wants something healthy to be healthier, and those people say he wants to take them away from us. What bullshit.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;48116752]I like how he says he is against having too much mercury in vaccines and then most people will jump on that and say he is anti-vaccines. You can see these people trying to manipulate you from a mile away. He says he wants something healthy to be healthier, and those people say he wants to take them away from us. What bullshit.[/QUOTE] "Too much mercury" Everything is safe within certain constraints. A vaccine will generally have 50mcg of mercury per ml of vaccine, with most being .5ml. This is ignoring that this mercury is not in an elemental form, it is in an organic compound which has a relatively short half life in the body. Also to quote him: [QUOTE=https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616049450243338240] California Gov says yes to poisoning more children with mercury and aluminum in manditory vaccines. This corporate fascist must be stopped. [/QUOTE] He literally called the vaccines poison, it is very easy to interpret this as him being anti-vacc.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48116853]"Too much mercury" Everything is safe within certain constraints. A vaccine will generally have 50mcg of mercury per ml of vaccine, with most being .5ml. This is ignoring that this mercury is not in an elemental form, it is in an organic compound which has a relatively short half life in the body. Also to quote him: He literally called the vaccines poison, it is very easy to interpret this as him being anti-vacc.[/QUOTE] I think you got the wrong quote because right there he says "poisoning with mercury and aluminum". He did not say "vaccines are poison".
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;48116874]I think you got the wrong quote because right there he says "poisoning with mercury and aluminum". He did not say "vaccines are poison".[/QUOTE] He listed broken down ingredients to vaccines, I'm fairly sure it's safe to assume he was saying vaccines are poison, especially considering he's talking about the California governor signing into law a vaccination law, which he refers to about with buzzwords like 'corporate fascist". I mean for fucks sake [quote]California Gov says [B]yes to poisoning more children[/B] [highlight]with mercury and aluminum in manditory vaccines[/highlight][/quote]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48116907]He listed broken down ingredients to vaccines, I'm fairly sure it's safe to assume he was saying vaccines are poison, especially considering he's talking about the California governor signing into law a vaccination law, which he refers to about with buzzwords like 'corporate fascist".[/QUOTE] But mercury and aluminum isn't what makes the vaccine a vaccine.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;48116921]But mercury and aluminum isn't what makes the vaccine a vaccine.[/QUOTE] They're pretty fucking essential to it though.
So if someone you knew got hurt by poison that was put into food, you'd say that food is poison? He says poison in vaccines, not vaccines are poison.
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