Customer Shoots Armed Robber at South Carolina Waffle Restaurant
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[QUOTE=darkrei9n;34399448]If the situation escalates to the point where I have to pull a lethal weapon out to protect myself or someone else I am not going to try and wound you. I am going to end your life before you can hurt else or anyone else that I'm protecting.[/QUOTE]
I would do that too, just saying how people are trained.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;34398576]Omg so gut he killed a 19 year old.
Seriously, noone knows if anyone would've gotten hurt if he didn't pull out a gun.
Even during a robbery noone should die. Not even the robber.[/QUOTE]
I don't see what the big issue is with this; someone was performing a citizen's arrest with a registered firearm on two felons until the police arrived, and opened fire on one of them when he began to raise his own gun at the armed citizen.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34396695]They have also prevented a ton of accidents, and possibly crimes. I don't get the whole US fascination with guns anyway. Other countries get by perfectly fine without guns (they're almost entirely prohibited here), yet pro-gun people in the US keep saying not having a gun is bad.[/QUOTE]
I really don't get other country's anti gun sentiment. I really don't get it.
I mean I just don't get it. Seems silly to me. I don't get it.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34397053]Simply blowing a whistle won't work here in the Netherlands either. I just mean, a lot of the reasons I heard that people want everybody to have a gun in America apply to other countries as well, they have tighter gun control and it's nowhere near as big a problem as it is over there.
I suppose you could say my question/position is: What [b]is[/b] the fascination with guns in America? Why is it that (as far as I'm aware) most western countries have tighter gun control than the US and a small minority has problems with it yet in America people get up in arms at even the suggestion of tightening the laws even a tiny bit?[/QUOTE]
I just don't get it. Why [b]do[/b] other countries have such tight gun control laws. Why is it that nobody understands that tighter gun control will not stop crime in the U.S. yet people in other countries get butthurt whenever gun ownership actually stop crime?
I just don't get it.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;34399935]I don't see what the big issue is with this; someone was performing a citizen's arrest with a registered firearm on two felons until the police arrived, and opened fire on one of them when he began to raise his own gun at the armed citizen.[/QUOTE]
The issue here is that a death could have been avoided. Like I've said before, chances are the robbers would have got the couple hundred bucks and then high-tailed it out of there without a problem, but the man who pulled a gun escalated the situation which ended in a death which could have been avoided.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34400514]The issue here is that a death could have been avoided. Like I've said before, chances are the robbers would have got the couple hundred bucks and then high-tailed it out of there without a problem, but the man who pulled a gun escalated the situation which ended in a death which could have been avoided.[/QUOTE]
...and the man would be out committing more violent crime until somebody tried to be a hero, and got shot. This kind of pussy-assed mindset is how innocent people die.
Nice.
[QUOTE=faze;34400533]...and the man would be out committing more violent crime until somebody tried to be a hero, and got shot. This kind of pussy-assed mindset is how innocent people die.[/QUOTE]
So you are implying your police force is incompetent to the degree where they can't catch a simple robber?
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34400943]So you are implying your police force is incompetent to the degree where they can't catch a simple robber?[/QUOTE]
There are thousands of robberies that go unsolved each year, and will probably never be solved. Criminals carry guns. If they can't find guns, they will use knives, bats, tire irons, brute force, etc. Do you prefer that criminals have the advantage and law-abiding citizens be defenseless? Guns are tools, nothing more. Evil is the criminal who takes up a gun to commit an act of violence. Evil is the criminal who takes the life of another. If a man drives his car into a person and kills them, is the car evil? Or the person?
Sounds to me you want the death penalty... I'd honestly rather tens of thousands of dollars stolen than have even a criminal be put to death needlessly. And your logic is flawed, weapon facilitate an easier use of killing. To use your car analogy, A car is more likely to get a man killed than say a horse. Yet we still use cars, why? Because they are more efficient at what they do, transport. Just like a firearm is used to hurl a projectile at high speeds.
Oh and just for clarification, Faze. Are those common robberies? Like purse snatching and stealing from shops while the store owners aren't looking? Or are they High-profile armed robberies?
Threads like this always make me laugh. If it was a thread about a 19 year old kid getting the death penalty for robbing a restaurant everyone would be up in arms. But no, since someone in the store shot him to death it's somehow OK.
Then they use the story to justify their retarded 'need' for guns.
I like waffles.
That scene in the diner in Pulp Fiction comes to mind.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34401318]Sounds to me you want the death penalty... I'd honestly rather tens of thousands of dollars stolen than have even a criminal be put to death needlessly. And your logic is flawed, weapon facilitate an easier use of killing. To use your car analogy, A car is more likely to get a man killed than say a horse. Yet we still use cars, why? Because they are more efficient at what they do, transport. Just like a firearm is used to hurl a projectile at high speeds.
Oh and just for clarification, Faze. Are those common robberies? Like purse snatching and stealing from shops while the store owners aren't looking? Or are they High-profile armed robberies?[/QUOTE]
My logic is not flawed at all. I am perfectly justified, and most people tend to agree with said logic. You would rather a criminal that may have the intent to kill innocent people have that opportunity because innocent people that are out to do good are not armed and able to stop him?
Not sure what you mean by the last part?
[QUOTE=Scot;34401349]Threads like this always make me laugh. If it was a thread about a 19 year old kid getting the death penalty for robbing a restaurant everyone would be up in arms. But no, since someone in the store shot him to death it's somehow OK.
Then they use the story to justify their retarded 'need' for guns.[/QUOTE]
You're using retarded out of context, and see what I said before about criminals having guns. Should they have the advantage because anti-gun people like you think guns are scary and not needed?
[QUOTE=faze;34401434]You're using retarded out of context, and see what I said before about criminals having guns. Should they have the advantage because anti-gun people like you think guns are scary and not needed?[/QUOTE]
Nobody should have guns.
[QUOTE=Scot;34401453]Nobody should have guns.[/QUOTE]
Well they do, and I am damn justified in having them to protect myself and my family against the criminals that use them to harm innocent people. Your logic is fucked.
Are you in favor of your right to free speech? How about your basic rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? Criminals will use whatever they can find, and if they decide to take your life, wouldn't it be best to be able to defend yourself, instead of hiding and praying you'll live?
[QUOTE=Scot;34401453]Nobody should have guns.[/QUOTE]
A true brit.
[QUOTE=Scot;34401453]Nobody should have guns.[/QUOTE]
Too bad this is real life. Make guns illegal and only the bad guys have them...
[QUOTE=Scot;34401349]Threads like this always make me laugh. If it was a thread about a 19 year old kid getting the death penalty for robbing a restaurant everyone would be up in arms. But no, since someone in the store shot him to death it's somehow OK.
Then they use the story to justify their retarded 'need' for guns.[/QUOTE]
probably because when people get tried for the death penalty they are unarmed and unable to do immediate harm
[QUOTE=dead.pixel;34401518]Too bad this is real life. Make guns illegal and only the bad guys have them...[/QUOTE]
Yep, if guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns. Crimes are very rare with legally carried or owned weapons. Criminals use illegally obtained, stolen, etc weapons generally with filed off serial numbers so there is no paper trail to them about that crime. Clean it of fingerprints and dispose of it.
People that own guns legally want to do the right thing, they want to protect themselves against the asshole criminals. If you don't understand this, you have very fucked up logic.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34396695]They have also prevented a ton of accidents, and possibly crimes. I don't get the whole US fascination with guns anyway. Other countries get by perfectly fine without guns (they're almost entirely prohibited here), yet pro-gun people in the US keep saying not having a gun is bad.[/QUOTE]
We were a really unusual government at the time of our creation. A grand experiment. The 2nd amendment was included during our creation because it was recognized that something might go terribly wrong and the people might wind up worse off than they were. So in order to avoid such a conclusion, they effectively armed the civilian population.
Firearms for self defense and hunting were givens.
The majority of us don't really care about your gun laws. For the United States all of our gun control laws seem to have had absolutely zero effect on crime. However stuff like concealed carry occasionally seems to be correlated with a statistically significant reduction. Though that is relatively rare. Mostly it just doesn't do anything to the crime rate. The problem only arises when other nations think they understand the United States and start blaming our gun laws for all of our problems. That is ignorant beyond belief.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34401318]Sounds to me you want the death penalty... I'd honestly rather tens of thousands of dollars stolen than have even a criminal be put to death needlessly. And your logic is flawed, weapon facilitate an easier use of killing. To use your car analogy, A car is more likely to get a man killed than say a horse. Yet we still use cars, why? Because they are more efficient at what they do, transport. Just like a firearm is used to hurl a projectile at high speeds.
Oh and just for clarification, Faze. Are those common robberies? Like purse snatching and stealing from shops while the store owners aren't looking? Or are they High-profile armed robberies?[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with the property being stolen and everything to do with the means. Regardless of the robber's intention, they are threatening your life with a deadly weapon. They do not have this right. It would be preferable if they didn't die, but I am not about to fault the guy whose life is threatened and chooses to shoot first rather than risk it.
[QUOTE=faze;34401544]Yep, if guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns. Crimes are very rare with legally carried or owned weapons. Criminals use illegally obtained, stolen, etc weapons generally with filed off serial numbers so there is no paper trail to them about that crime. Clean it of fingerprints and dispose of it.
People that own guns legally want to do the right thing, they want to protect themselves against the asshole criminals. If you don't understand this, you have very fucked up logic.[/QUOTE]
Funny how British police officers, the people paid to protect civilians from the 'asshole criminals', don't even carry guns. Yet everyone in America feels they need to.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34401568]We were a really unusual government at the time of our creation. A grand experiment. The 2nd amendment was included during our creation because it was recognized that something might go terribly wrong and the people might wind up worse off than they were. So in order to avoid such a conclusion, they effectively armed the civilian population.
Firearms for self defense and hunting were givens.
The majority of us don't really care about your gun laws. For the United States all of our gun control laws seem to have had absolutely zero effect on crime. However stuff like concealed carry occasionally seems to be correlated with a statistically significant reduction. Though that is relatively rare. Mostly it just doesn't do anything to the crime rate. The problem only arises when other nations think they understand the United States and start blaming our gun laws for all of our problems. That is ignorant beyond belief.[/QUOTE]
Gun control HAS had zero effect on crime. Take Maryland for example...the Baltimore riots of 1968 stirred up a lot of shit, several brigades of armed troops were called in to quell the violence, people died, shit got burned, etc etc etc. These were the race riots that came here from elsewhere. Most of the gun laws in Maryland are racially based going back to slave days and keeping guns out of the hands of black slaves.
In 1972 Maryland introduced may issue carry permits rather than unrestricted carry or shall issue like most states have. This was a direct result of the race riots, and crime has either not changed or gotten worse.
Washington D.C. up until a year or so ago had the very same law as Maryland. This law being that you need a good and substancial reason to carry a gun. Off-duty law enforcement officers, people who have a business and carry large sums of money or highly valuable material, physicians, and individuals who have documented, and recent, threats or physical violence against them. Normal law-abiding citizens typically do not qualify. In addition many Maryland carry permits are valid only in certain circumstances - when actively engaged in carrying a monetary deposit to the bank, for example. D.C. was sued by a few people, and the Second Amendment Foundation and D.C. turned to shall issue, now anyone can carry a gun. As a result, crime has taken a total 180.
I mean who wants to rob somebody that is potentially armed?
[QUOTE=Scot;34401618]Funny how British police officers, the people paid to protect civilians from the 'asshole criminals', don't even carry guns. Yet everyone in America feels they need to.[/QUOTE]
Much harder for someone to get a gun in the UK, and a normal police offer will probably never even encounter someone with a gun.
[QUOTE=Scot;34401618]Funny how British police officers, the people paid to protect civilians from the 'asshole criminals', don't even carry guns. Yet everyone in America feels they need to.[/QUOTE]
Yep, because police are there in a half second 100% of the time.
Most of the time police arrive AFTER the crime is committed.
[QUOTE=faze;34401661]Yep, because police are there in a half second 100% of the time.
Most of the time police arrive AFTER the crime is committed.[/QUOTE]
Good job totally missing the point.
[QUOTE=Scot;34401679]Good job totally missing the point.[/QUOTE]
I'm not missing the point. Americans already have guns, and this stems back from how the country was formed, as GunFox pointed out. You can't get rid of millions of guns and go against the constitution that blatantly. There are SO MANY unregistered guns out there that getting rid of legal guns will not work. The outlaws will have guns, and more people will die.
You're not from America, so you just aren't going to get it.
[QUOTE=Scot;34401618]Funny how British police officers, the people paid to protect civilians from the 'asshole criminals', don't even carry guns. Yet everyone in America feels they need to.[/QUOTE]
A very small portion of the population has a concealed carry permit. Most likely don't even know they exist.
As I said, you don't understand the United States or our relationship with firearms as a whole. Which is fine, I am not being critical, but I would ask that you recognize that and stop trying to tell us what is good for us.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34401728]A very small portion of the population has a concealed carry permit. Most likely don't even know they exist.
As I said, you don't understand the United States or our relationship with firearms as a whole. Which is fine, I am not being critical, but I would ask that you recognize that and stop trying to tell us what is good for us.[/QUOTE]
It's just a cultural difference...I just would wish people would stop pushing their beliefs on each other. This is what starts wars.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34398427]Personally, I don't see this as a good thing. A 19 year old had to die because some guy wanted to be a hero and save someone a few dollars. Chances are no one was gonna get hurt if he left well enough alone. I'm sure you could say it was the guys own fault for doing it but you don't know what his financial situation was, or if he actually needed the money or not(neither can I for that matter, but still).[/QUOTE]
19 year old, who was scum enough to kill for a few hundred, will no longer trouble the world.
We're better off without him; and anyone else like him can go join him for all I care.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34401318]Sounds to me you want the death penalty... I'd honestly rather tens of thousands of dollars stolen than have even a criminal be put to death needlessly.[/quote]
Why? By killing him you're saving even more money. $10k for the shop, $40k per year for the state.
Him dying isn't necessarily the best outcome, but I'll be damned if it's not a good one.
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34401801]19 year old, who was scum enough to kill for a few hundred, will no longer trouble the world.
We're better off without him; and anyone else like him can go join him for all I care.[/QUOTE]
But but but his feelings! He came from a bad home!!! Political correctness!!!!!!
/sarcasm
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