Customer Shoots Armed Robber at South Carolina Waffle Restaurant
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[QUOTE=Bawbag;34403874]We aren't having an argument. You claimed black people aren't black, and I just showed you what I consider black.[/QUOTE]
okay, that's nice.
i mean it's totally and completely unrelated to anything we were talking about but thank you for sharing.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34403695][release]For many, African American is more than a name expressive of cultural and historical roots. The term expresses pride in Africa and a sense of kinship and solidarity with others of the African diaspora—an embrace of pan-Africanism as earlier enunciated by prominent African thinkers such as Marcus Garvey, W. E. B. Du Bois and George Padmore.[/release]
I mean it's not like you can just look up the term and read about why it may be used by people who aren't literally African American[/QUOTE]
Never mind the fact that it was almost universally the African tribesmen who were capturing other tribes and selling them into slavery.
There is a point in time where you give up the past.
We keep labeling ourselves into factions. I wish we would all just fucking agree to be Americans. I don't care if you were born here or if you obtained citizenship. We can quibble endlessly and cling to a fucking retarded past filled with bloodshed and hatred, or we can agree that we are all on the same side now and move forward.
Everyone forgets the rest of the sonnet on the Statue of liberty.
[quote="The New Colossus"]Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"[/quote]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34403893]What if you call an Aboriginal Australian an African American [/QUOTE]
why the fuck would anyone do that?
aboriginal australians don't even look like african americans.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;34403917]
We keep labeling ourselves into factions. I wish we would all just fucking agree to be Americans.[/QUOTE]
there's a huge difference between irish-american culture and african-american culture.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34403860]It doesn't matter what his situations was, he attempted an armed robbery. If you shove a gun in someone's face, you'd be fucking retarded not expect to be met with deadly force. Also, I don't see the logic in leaving things to "chance"; sure, he might have not hurt anyone, but the keyword is might. He had a gun pointed at people and I think it's safe to say he was willing to use it.[/QUOTE]
So you kill a man because he MIGHT injure someone? Can go both ways it seems. And to be honest, I doubt it's 'safe' to say he was willing. I've said before that robbers usually aren't out to shoot people.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34403919]
there's a huge difference between irish-american culture and african-american culture.[/QUOTE]
There is more variation internally in African American culture than there is between Irish American culture and African American culture.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34403948]So you kill a man because he MIGHT injure someone? Can go both ways it seems. And to be honest, I doubt it's 'safe' to say he was willing. I've said before that robbers usually aren't out to shoot people.[/QUOTE]
If a man has a gun, chances are he is going to use it if provoked. Who knows if some unarmed person is going to be a hero and end up shot. Better to be safe than sorry. Not out to shoot people? Apparently you don't watch Cops or anything else. People commonly shoot witnesses.
I've seen a gun five times in my life, three of them have been in Waffle House.
[video=youtube;qz1cfwFmv1w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1cfwFmv1w[/video]
[QUOTE=GunFox;34403973]There is more variation internally in African American culture than there is between Irish American culture and African American culture.[/QUOTE]
even if that was true, that doesn't really mean anything.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34403948]So you kill a man because he MIGHT injure someone? Can go both ways it seems. And to be honest, I doubt it's 'safe' to say he was willing. I've said before that robbers usually aren't out to shoot people.[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes I would. If someone broke into my house late one night and was armed I'd assume he'd be willing to use that gun, so yes, I'd put my training to use and shoot him until he's no longer a threat. If he dies, well that's not my problem, you don't break into someone's house and not consider the consequences. Obviously this kid wasn't considering the consequences. If this guy (The vigilante) didn't stop him, the police probably would've done the same thing.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34404109]Yes, yes I would. If someone broke into my house late one night and was armed I'd assume he'd be willing to use that gun, so yes, I'd put my training to use and shoot him until he's no longer a threat. If he dies, well that's not my problem, you don't break into someone's house and not consider the consequences. Obviously this kid wasn't considering the consequences. If this guy (The vigilante) didn't stop him, the police probably would've done the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and if everyone sat in their booths crying, chances are he would get a power boost and go do it again.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34403919]why the fuck would anyone do that?
aboriginal australians don't even look like african americans.[/QUOTE]What's your reasoning for that, exactly? How do they not look alike?
[editline]oh well[/editline]
I guess I'll never get an answer, especially since I was hinting that the quoted post was profoundly racist.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404019]even if that was true, that doesn't really mean anything.[/QUOTE]
I'm pointing out that the title itself is meaningless and serves only to segregate.
I don't actively take issue with folks who want to use the title, but I do think it is a pointless endeavor that is both wildly inaccurate and at worse damaging from a societal standpoint.
We have a cycle in the United States that is keeping black folks in disproportionate levels of poverty for their representation. As a result I believe we are currently at one in five black men will see prison in his lifetime (note that this is prison, not jail. Even more will see jail.). It is fucking ridiculous. Both sides need to break habit if it is ever going to end. The system needs to stop convicting people with laughable preference given based on skin color and African American culture needs to integrate more effectively. It doesn't work with just one or the other.
Must be one shitty place to live if you fear for your lives so much you need a weapon to make you feel better.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404191]Must be one shitty place to live if you fear for your lives so much you need a weapon to make you feel better.[/QUOTE]
No, not really.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34404156]African American culture needs to integrate more effectively.[/QUOTE]
african american culture is based on being not integrated.
that's usually what happens when you get ignored by mainstream society for such a long time.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404191]Must be one shitty place to live if you fear for your lives so much you need a weapon to make you feel better.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no. I feel very safe back home in the states. I've never had to fear for my life. But I'd rather be prepared in the event something does happen than sit there with my thumb up my ass like you would if someone broke into my house and tried shoving a gun in my face.
Being human is all about survival, if you really don't care either way if someone takes your life, that's your business, but I'm not leaving it up to "chance"
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404191]Must be one shitty place to live if you fear for your lives so much you need a weapon to make you feel better.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404191]Must be one shitty place to live if you fear for your lives so much you need a weapon to make you feel better.[/QUOTE]
It is more of a case of "When you need it and you don't have it, you sing a whole different tune." Have you never seen Tremors? What if there was a zombie apocalypse?
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404191]Must be one shitty place to live if you fear for your lives so much you need a weapon to make you feel better.[/QUOTE]
bah! i've never had a gun in me life mate and i felt safe living in a rough part of LA.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;34404251]What if there was a zombie apocalypse?[/QUOTE]
exactly
Holy shit
this happened in my town
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404254]bah! i've never had a gun in me life mate and i felt safe living in a rough part of LA.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
exactly[/QUOTE]
Ugh are you one of those people who thinks crime will never happen to them? My in-laws are like that...they leave their keys in their cars with the cars unlocked - and don't even own keys to their house. People like that frustrate me.
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;34404251]It is more of a case of "When you need it and you don't have it, you sing a whole different tune." Have you never seen Tremors? What if there was a zombie apocalypse?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. People act like carrying a holstered pistol is this huge burden.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34403894]okay, that's nice.
i mean it's totally and completely unrelated to anything we were talking about but thank you for sharing.[/QUOTE]
You made it relevant when you made a dumb claim that blacks aren't black
[QUOTE=faze;34404272]Ugh are you one of those people who thinks crime will never happen to them? My in-laws are like that...they leave their keys in their cars with the cars unlocked - and don't even own keys to their house. People like that frustrate me.[/QUOTE]
i've been robbed several times, once at gun point.
no it comes from being raised in britian. i don't like the concept of having a gun in my house.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;34396318]A headshot? Really?
Thats a bit excessive don't you think? :/[/QUOTE]
He pointed the gun at the customer, at which point he got his head ventilated.
He shouldn't have been robbing the place, and he shouldn't have pointed the gun at the armed customer, it's really that simple. The only people at fault for what happened here are the two robbers.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404298]i've been robbed several times, once at gun point.
no it comes from being raised in britian. i don't like the concept of having a gun in my house.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I've been mugged once, kinda sucks.
So you live in America now, people have guns including criminals. Criminals do break ins to steal shit, harm people, a lot of times at random. Why not have a bedside gun in case this happens? Are you prepared to rock back and fourth while you're being robbed? What about when you have kids?
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Noble;34404325]He pointed the gun at the customer, at which point he got his head ventilated.
He shouldn't have been robbing the place, and he shouldn't have pointed the gun at the armed customer, it's really that simple. The only people at fault for what happened here are the two robbers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if you point a gun at somebody with a gun you're asking to be shot - especially if you're a criminal.
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34404277]You made it relevant when you made a dumb claim that blacks aren't black[/QUOTE]
ugh, obviously the point went way beyond you so allow me to explain it.
we were debating the merit behind usage of the word african-american and someone responded by saying that it wasn't a valid description.
which i responded to by saying that by that logic black isn't a valid description either since they don't actually have black skin, they have more dark brown with some other shades.
and now you're trying to tell me that some call people with dark brown skin black? yeah i know that was the point and i have to explain it now for whatever reason.
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Well I'd rather be alive and robbed than potentially dead... And robbed anyway. I could point out how America has 4 times(per 100,000) the homicide rate than that of Australia. Or that most homicides are committed by firearms where it's the opposite here.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404351]ugh, obviously the point went way beyond you so allow me to explain it.
we were debating the merit behind usage of the word african-american and someone responded by saying that it wasn't a valid description.
which i responded to by saying that by that logic black isn't a valid description either since they don't actually have black skin, they have more dark brown with some other shades.
and now you're trying to tell me that some call people with dark brown skin black? yeah i know that was the point and i have to explain it now for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]
Does it matter? Would you rather call them niggers seen as blacks have a historical (although terrible) hold to that name? You seem to [b]really[/b] want races to have a claim to their name.
I think I'll stick with black.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404358]Well I'd rather be alive and robbed than potentially dead... And robbed anyway. I could point out how America has 4 times the homicide rate than that of Australia. Or that most homicides are committed by firearms where it's the opposite here.[/QUOTE]
Firearms are not the only form of weapon, one thing will be replaced with another. Kind of like evolution.
[QUOTE=faze;34404331]
So you live in America now, people have guns including criminals. Criminals do break ins to steal shit, harm people, a lot of times at random. Why not have a bedside gun in case this happens? Are you prepared to rock back and fourth while you're being robbed? [/QUOTE]
i'm more likely to be killed in a car crash than be killed in a robbery and neither is a situation that i particularly have a lot of control over. i'm not going to have such a device in my house just based on paranoia. i guess i'll hit them with my candlestick or something, i don't really know.
[QUOTE=faze;34404331]What about when you have kids?[/QUOTE]
i'll buy a sword.
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