• Customer Shoots Armed Robber at South Carolina Waffle Restaurant
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I think it's fucking sick that people seem to be celebrating the fact that a person has been shot and killed. I don't give a shit if he's an armed robber, a mass murderer or even fucking hitler reincarnate. No one deserves to just get shot in the head like that, and no one deserves to have people saying "Good riddance they were the scum of the earth anyway" after they die. I'm not even going to get into this whole gun control debate because the majority of the people here are americans too deeply rooted in their beliefs to be at all shifted by any argument I say. But I'll say this: The minute you start letting average citizens do the job of the police is the minute you start to have autonomous judgement carried out by any Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks that these goddamn scum criminals are the scourge of our civilization and don't deserve to live pew pew pew.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404358]Well I'd rather be alive and robbed than potentially dead... And robbed anyway. I could point out how America has 4 times the homicide rate than that of Australia. Or that most homicides are committed by firearms where it's the opposite here.[/QUOTE] Again, criminals have guns and a lot of people either choose to not carry them where allowed, or simply don't own guns. Also, the majority of murders in the USA are drug related. Mexico drug war ring any bells? That shit spills over into Texas/Arizona/California/New Mexico all the time.
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34404382]Does it matter? Would you rather call them niggers seen as blacks have a historical (although terrible) hold to that name? You seem to [b]really[/b] want races to have a claim to their name. I think I'll stick with black.[/QUOTE] okay
[QUOTE=kenshin6;34396087]Thats one more piece of shit that we no longer have to deal with, great job buddy[/QUOTE] This is one thing I never understood. Can someone give their opinion? Catch a criminal in the act, shoot him dead, it is okay. Catch a murderer after the act, death penalty, it is not okay. Now I am going to clarify my position. I think the guy did the right thing. He held them at gunpoint and when threatened, did what he had to do. So I'm in no way challenging that.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34404408] The minute you start letting average citizens do the job of the police is the minute you start to have autonomous judgement carried out by any Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks that these goddamn scum criminals are the scourge of our civilization and don't deserve to live pew pew pew.[/QUOTE] unfortunately for us that is a notion which is completely romanticized in american culture.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34404408]I think it's fucking sick that people seem to be celebrating the fact that a person has been shot and killed. I don't give a shit if he's an armed robber, a mass murderer or even fucking hitler reincarnate. No one deserves to just get shot in the head like that, and no one deserves to have people saying "Good riddance they were the scum of the earth anyway" after they die. I'm not even going to get into this whole gun control debate because the majority of the people here are americans too deeply rooted in their beliefs to be at all shifted by any argument I say. But I'll say this: The minute you start letting average citizens do the job of the police is the minute you start to have autonomous judgement carried out by any Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks that these goddamn scum criminals are the scourge of our civilization and don't deserve to live pew pew pew.[/QUOTE] I don't have a police officer on my shoulder 24/7. Do you? That would be special though, let me tell ya.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404417]okay[/QUOTE] I know you have to uphold your 100 posts per day quota but it's really bothering me now; do you ever actually contribute to a thread?
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404358]Well I'd rather be alive and robbed than potentially dead... And robbed anyway. I could point out how America has 4 times the homicide rate than that of Australia. Or that most homicides are committed by firearms where it's the opposite here.[/QUOTE] And yet magically it is still ridiculously rare to be murdered in the US. 9 people instead of 2 for every 100,000 people. And yet one out of every one hundred people will be raped in Australia. One in three people will be the victim of a serious crime in Australia.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34404358]Well I'd rather be alive and robbed than potentially dead... And robbed anyway. I could point out how America has 4 times(per 100,000) the homicide rate than that of Australia. Or that most homicides are committed by firearms where it's the opposite here.[/QUOTE] Yeah, consider the population of 300 million people (As to your 22 million) , we naturally are going to have higher rates in things and even then they are very low. The point being though is that it's not law abiding citizens that commit these crimes. You're acting as if the reason people commit armed robberies is due to guns being legal. That's hardly the case, and as stated many times before in this thread, criminals are going to get guns illegally. Ever hear of cartels? So when it comes down to it, I don't see what's so wrong about defending yourself. If a guy is pointing a gun at me with the finger on the trigger I'm going to assume he's ready to twitch that finger at any moment.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;34404431]Now I am going to clarify my position. I think the guy did the right thing. He held them at gunpoint and when threatened, did what he had to do. So I'm in no way challenging that.[/QUOTE] You deserve a medal, honestly. This is how people should think, he didn't want to hurt anyone but to protect his life "he did what he had to do." And now he is alive and well because he made the decision to take another mans life who lets be honest obviously didn't want it and in return got to keep his. So what if the homicide rate is so high when it comes to firearms, there is nothing that can be done about that at this point and taking guns away will NOT lower crime but I will tell you this. A lot more innocent people will die because some asshole decided he wants to go on a killing spree and knowing that the average American won't fight back he has nothing to worry about. Open Season human hunt, sad but true fact.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34404485]I know you have to uphold your 100 posts per day quota but it's really bothering me now; do you ever actually contribute to a thread?[/QUOTE] i have a wonderful PM box where you can send me all your complaints, this isn't the thread to post them in. [editline]26th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;34404487]And yet magically it is still ridiculously rare to be murdered in the US. 9 people instead of 2 for every 100,000 people. And yet one out of every one hundred people will be raped in Australia. One in three people will be the victim of a serious crime in Australia.[/QUOTE] makes me glad i live in san francisco. nothing but the occasional serious multiple murder in the tenderloin.
I am just gonna say this, consider yourself lucky if you live in a place where guns aren't weaved into the fabric of your beliefs because honestly I will admit, America might have been better off. But that decision has already been made and the damage is done.
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;34404552]You deserve a medal, honestly. This is how people should think, he didn't want to hurt anyone but to protect his life "he did what he had to do." And now he is alive and well because he made the decision to take another mans life who lets be honest obviously didn't want it and in return got to keep his. So what if the homicide rate is so high when it comes to firearms, there is nothing that can be done about that at this point and taking guns away will NOT lower crime but I will tell you this. A lot more innocent people will die because some asshole decided he wants to go on a killing spree and knowing that the average American won't fight back he has nothing to worry about. Open Season human hunt, sad but true fact.[/QUOTE] So true... but too bad the majority will just sit back while criminals with guns will do their bidding. I'd rather have an upper hand with my firearms training and my weapons compared to their lack of firearms training and stolen weapons. I don't understand why people are so against guns. They exist, criminals have them, therefore we need to protect ourselves. The same can be said for militaries. All countries have armed forces to protect from other countries. You going to argue that too? Is that bad because people die? What if North Korea started bombing South Korea, is everyone supposed to sit and cry while they do it? No, we fight back. Same concept with owning guns.
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;34404593]I am just gonna say this, consider yourself lucky if you live in a place where guns aren't weaved into the fabric of your beliefs because honestly I will admit, America might have been better off. But that decision has already been made and the damage is done.[/QUOTE] it's got a lot less to do with the fabric of society and a lot more with how profitable selling weapons is. due to a couple of interests, weapons missing and getting sold here and there isn't as tightly regulated as it should be.
[QUOTE=faze;34398596]You shoot to incapacitate. If he dies, that's his fault. He shouldn't be out committing armed robberies. Better him than anyone else. Do you really want to stand around and find out if he is going to fire his weapon? I wouldn't I'd rather put a potential danger out of service. Wouldn't you?[/QUOTE] The customer shot him in the head... doesn't seem like he intended for the robber to survive. That being said, I wasn't in the situation, the customer was probably forced to kill him.
[QUOTE=faze;34404619]So true... but too bad the majority will just sit back while criminals with guns will do their bidding. I'd rather have an upper hand with my firearms training and my weapons compared to their lack of firearms training and stolen weapons.[/QUOTE] you know they'll shoot the guy with the gun first, right?
[QUOTE=Zareox7;34404642]The customer shot him in the head... doesn't seem like he intended for the robber to survive.[/QUOTE] Sounds like he double tapped. The chest was likely the first shot, the second shot was done with the muzzle rise, which is why he was hit in the head. [editline]26th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;34404651]you know they'll shoot the guy with the gun first, right?[/QUOTE] Not like I am waving it around saying "hey look at my gun shoot me" this is why it called CONCEALED carry.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;34404642]The customer shot him in the head... doesn't seem like he intended for the robber to survive.[/QUOTE] Cops would have done the same thing, if you can shoot someone in the knee (no skyrim jokes) then do it because that will take someone down and then you sit back and wait for the cops but if he has a gun he will just shoot back.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34404487]And yet magically it is still ridiculously rare to be murdered in the US. 9 people instead of 2 for every 100,000 people. And yet one out of every one hundred people will be raped in Australia. One in three people will be the victim of a serious crime in Australia.[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, source? I'm guessing it's the first link of that info post you did.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34404408]I think it's fucking sick that people seem to be celebrating the fact that a person has been shot and killed. I don't give a shit if he's an armed robber, a mass murderer or even fucking hitler reincarnate. No one deserves to just get shot in the head like that, and no one deserves to have people saying "Good riddance they were the scum of the earth anyway" after they die. I'm not even going to get into this whole gun control debate because the majority of the people here are americans too deeply rooted in their beliefs to be at all shifted by any argument I say. But I'll say this: The minute you start letting average citizens do the job of the police is the minute you start to have autonomous judgement carried out by any Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks that these goddamn scum criminals are the scourge of our civilization and don't deserve to live pew pew pew.[/QUOTE] He absolutely did deserve to be shot because he was half a second away from shooting the customer. He was killed in self defense. He should have got down on the floor and waited for police, like a civilized human being would do (aside from not robbing the store in the first place), but instead he chose to gamble with his life and he lost it. The robbers are absolutely the only ones to blame for what happened. [QUOTE=Nazereth666;34404675]Cops would have done the same thing, if you can shoot someone in the knee (no skyrim jokes) then do it because that will take someone down and then you sit back and wait for the cops but if he has a gun he will just shoot back.[/QUOTE] The cops would have probably put about 20-30 bullets in him.
I don't see why so many people complain about the robber's death. The robber pulled a weapon on innocent people. He was shot by a man who felt like he should protect himself and other people. If the robber didn't decide to commit the crime, then he wouldn't have died. I don't see how you can call that "wrong" or "terrible". Yeah, someone died, but it was his own fault for threatening other people's lives.
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;34404696]I don't see why so many people complain about the robber's death. The robber pulled a weapon on innocent people. He was shot by a man who felt like he should protect himself and other people. If the robber didn't decide to commit the crime, then he wouldn't have died. I don't see how you can call that "wrong" or "terrible". Yeah, someone died, but it was his own fault for threatening other people's lives.[/QUOTE] Because they don't understand, don't want to understand and are afraid of guns.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404651]you know they'll shoot the guy with the gun first, right?[/QUOTE] They can try, but if there's a person sticking up for a group of victims who's willing to do that for their safety then that's an honorable person. Anyone properly trained in firearm self defense will probably shoot first; there's whole courses specifically trained on draw techniques.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34404705]They can try, but if there's a person sticking up for a group of victims who's willing to do that for their safety then that's an honorable person. Anyone properly trained in firearm self defense will probably shoot first; there's whole courses specifically trained on draw techniques.[/QUOTE] Yep, taken those. You are taught when to shoot. If they point the gun at you, your life is being threatened. Start firing into center mass.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34404705]They can try, but if there's a person sticking up for a group of victims who's willing to do that for their safety then that's an honorable person. Anyone properly trained in firearm self defense will probably shoot first; there's whole courses specifically trained on draw techniques.[/QUOTE] it all sounds so romanticized, it's a bit confusing to a foreigner like me. i mean all of this just sounds like justification for an expensive hobby.
[QUOTE=Noble;34404689]He absolutely did deserve to be shot because he was half a second away from shooting the customer. He was killed in self defense. He should have got down on the floor and waited for police, like a civilized human being would do (aside from not robbing the store in the first place), but instead he chose to gamble with his life and he lost it.[/QUOTE] What? I wasn't aware the article was saying he was about to shoot someone. Not until the concealed carry pulled a weapon on him, anyway.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404760] i mean all of this just sounds like justification for an expensive hobby.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking kidding me?
[QUOTE=Noble;34404689]He absolutely did deserve to be shot because he was half a second away from shooting the customer. He was killed in self defense. He should have got down on the floor and waited for police, like a [U][B]civilized human being[/B][/U] would do (aside from not robbing the store in the first place), but instead he chose to gamble with his life and he lost it. The robbers are absolutely the only ones to blame for what happened.[/QUOTE] Hah, I don't believe in such a thing. And setting aside the fact that any death could have been avoided, it's still despicable that people are CELEBRATING someone DYING. Because, apparently, all criminals are scum of the earth and deserve to die painfully, this guy clearly got lucky with a bullet to the head. We don't know anything about him, for all we know, he could have been robbing the store to get money to pay for a dying relative, or to feed his kids. But people rarely put themselves in the shoes of a criminal, as far as they're concerned, anyone who breaks the law is scum, a piece of shit, a monster that should be put down for the good of society. Like I said, I don't give a shit who they are, it's always a terrible thing when someone dies.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34404814]Hah, I don't believe in such a thing. And setting aside the fact that any death could have been avoided, it's still despicable that people are CELEBRATING someone DYING. Because, apparently, all criminals are scum of the earth and deserve to die painfully, this guy clearly got lucky with a bullet to the head. We don't know anything about him, for all we know, he could have been robbing the store to get money to pay for a dying relative, or to feed his kids. But people rarely put themselves in the shoes of a criminal, as far as they're concerned, anyone who breaks the law is scum, a piece of shit, a monster that should be put down for the good of society. Like I said, I don't give a shit who they are, it's always a terrible thing when someone dies.[/QUOTE] I don't feel bad for the guy that got shot. I feel bad for his family, sure. But that idiot decided to go into a restaurant full of women, kids, old people and etc. with a gun and would have likely been provoked into shooting one or more. I'd rather be safe and shoot. If he dies, not my fucking issue. He shouldn't be robbing places.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34404760]it all sounds so romanticized, it's a bit confusing to a foreigner like me. i mean all of this just sounds like justification for an expensive hobby.[/QUOTE] Not really...If you're going to have a gun for self defense it's probably best to learn how to use it for that purpose. I do know people who do collect guns as a hobby, but they're locked in huge safes bolted to the ground; the only one that isn't is a .45 1911 in a lock box under their bed. The key is on the night stand so if someone breaks in and sounds the alarm they can quickly unlock the box and have a gun ready to defend themselves. He's even demonstrated it to me and has mastered it in a matter of 15 seconds to be out of bed, gun in hand and standing in an appropriate defensive position.
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