Customer Shoots Armed Robber at South Carolina Waffle Restaurant
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hey Faze, you still think all those articles [i]that you most definitely read before posting[/i] form a logical and sound argument against political correctness?
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
oi thesbian stop breakin' my automerges
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34405609]Self Defense training is to teach you how to react to a situation in which you'll use it. He's not paranoid, or on some insane level of alertness. But in the event that he does have to use his training he'll be alert and know exactly what to do. It's not like every bump he hears he's racing for his gun. He's ready to react to someone breaking in and setting off the alarm.
He lives in a safe area, but robberies have happened in the past. It's better to be prepared to handle the situation than to just let someone walk off with your valuables.[/QUOTE]
does he always carry a gun on him?
i'm not saying he's not paranoid because he took self defense training, i'm saying he's paranoid because even though he lives in a "safe area" he feels the need to act like a special forces trooper.
and i think he very much enjoys that.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34405508]No, it's called proper training. Something someone who is handling a lethal weapon should have. You should understand that since he's giving a chance for the intruder to stop, rather than blindly shooting at someone.[/QUOTE]
Dude shot him in the chest and head. That's not a chance to stop, that's gunning another guy down rather than trying to contain the threat.
[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;34405657]Dude shot him in the chest and head. That's not a chance to stop, that's gunning another guy down rather than trying to contain the threat.[/QUOTE]
Guns kill people. You don't try to "contain" a threat with a gun. You eliminate threats with a gun.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34405637]i don't know who you refer to as "we" but i never talked about them.
what i am rambling and musing on about is that some people seem to enjoy the notion of having a weapon and demonstrate it with a lot of relish to the point of becoming immersed as a person in it.
i find that very interesting.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who acts that way around a weapon isn't insane or paranoid. A firearm is a beautiful piece of metal and to some people it is almost like art. Some people act the same way about their computers or their guitar, etc. It doesn't mean they are paranoid.
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;34405717]Anyone who acts that way around a weapon isn't insane or paranoid. A firearm is a beautiful piece of metal and to some people it is almost like art. Some people act the same way about their computers or their guitar, etc. It doesn't mean they are paranoid.[/QUOTE]
computers and guitars aren't comparable. you've never gotten a computer or a guitar because you didn't feel safe.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34405654]does he always carry a gun on him?
i'm not saying he's not paranoid because he took self defense training, i'm saying he's paranoid because even though he lives in a "safe area" he feels the need to act like a special forces trooper.
and i think he very much enjoys that.[/QUOTE]
No, he doesn't have a carry and conceal permit. He doesn't see the point in having one right now.
He enjoys cleaning his guns, going to the range, and the occasional hunting with his dad, but the drills are taken more serious. It's not like he practices them once a day. He might refresh once a month because he knows how unlikely the situation is.
[QUOTE]Dude shot him in the chest and head. That's not a chance to stop, that's gunning another guy down rather than trying to contain the threat.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even talking about the article...
[quote]computers and guitars aren't comparable. you've never gotten a computer or a guitar because you didn't feel safe.[/quote]
I don't know many people who get guns because they don't feel safe. Everyone I know that has a gun(s) have them because they enjoy collecting them, cleaning, and hunting. Self defense is pretty much the last thing any of them would like to use their guns for.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34405738]computers and guitars aren't comparable. you've never gotten a computer or a guitar because you didn't feel safe.[/QUOTE]
Ok now you are mixing information to confuse me, you said above "people seem to enjoy the notion of having a weapon and demonstrate it with a lot of relish to the point of becoming immersed as a person in it."
So why do people have a guitar and a computer? because they enjoy having it and are so proud of their investment that they relish it to the point where they become immersed as a person in it.
I don't understand how anyone could possibly have an argument against a situation like this where you're defending yourself.
It's simple logic really. If a boulder is about to roll down a hill and kill you, do you A.) Get out of the way, or B.) Wait while it rolls down at you to find out if it actually will hit you or not to decide to necessity of option A
[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;34405932]It's simple logic really. If a boulder is about to roll down a hill and kill you, do you A.) Get out of the way, or B.) Wait while it rolls down at you to find out if it actually will hit you or not to decide to necessity of option A[/QUOTE] Except the boulder is a live human being and you're not choosing to duck out of the way, you're choosing to give them a bullet to the brain. Logic doesn't function when it comes to a human life.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
Weird how when police shoot a suspect in the head, they're trigger-happy cowboys who shouldn't have a gun, yet when it's a random joe, they're a huge hero and should get a medal.
[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;34405657]Dude shot him in the chest and head. That's not a chance to stop, that's gunning another guy down rather than trying to contain the threat.[/QUOTE]
Uh what? I already explained the theory why he was shot in the head. Apparently you don't know what muzzle jump is. He didn't "gun him down" as you so elequently put it. He shot an armed robber after trying to stop him and giving him warnings. The asshole pointed his gun at the good person, and the good person shot back in fear for his life.
Why do you non-Americans not understand this?
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34406408]Except the boulder is a live human being and you're not choosing to duck out of the way, you're choosing to give them a bullet to the brain. Logic doesn't function when it comes to a human life.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
Weird how when police shoot a suspect in the head, they're trigger-happy cowboys who shouldn't have a gun, yet when it's a random joe, they're a huge hero and should get a medal.[/QUOTE]
I believe that is the same group who bash this man for his actions.
And in the past some cops have been known to fire at someone who didn't have a weapon not someone who was pointing a gun at them.
according to facepunch moralist, if a victim is being raped, she should just take it cause there's no proof the attacker would actually kill her, and should refrain from defending herself lest she might kill the rapist
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34406408]
Weird how when police shoot a suspect in the head, they're trigger-happy cowboys who shouldn't have a gun, yet when it's a random joe, they're a huge hero and should get a medal.[/QUOTE]
way to generalize hardcore
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
because every police officer is trigger happy?
Anyone who thinks that what this guy did was excessive doesn't understand how guns work or how life works.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34406644]Anyone who thinks that what this guy did was excessive doesn't understand how guns work or how life works.[/QUOTE]
Mostly the latter half of that statement.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34403530]no more stupid than black.
black people aren't even black in colour.
and it makes sense considering we call people with german decent German-Americans.[/QUOTE]
So do you think the term "white" is stupid?
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34406703]So do you think the term "white" is stupid?[/QUOTE]
well the white race is a made up one so yeah
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;34406565]according to facepunch moralist, if a victim is being raped, she should just take it cause there's no proof the attacker would actually kill her, and should refrain from defending herself lest she might kill the rapist[/QUOTE]
But it is okay because she is still alive and the whole thing was for the better. *sarcasm*
[QUOTE=faze;34398596]You shoot to incapacitate. If he dies, that's his fault. He shouldn't be out committing armed robberies. Better him than anyone else. Do you really want to stand around and find out if he is going to fire his weapon? I wouldn't I'd rather put a potential danger out of service. Wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i would rather do that, knowing that only a small percentage of armed robbers use their firearms to shoot and kill people.
I'd rather shit my pants and curl up in a corner than be a cowboy and have a 50% chance of killing or being killed.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;34406874]Yeah, i would rather do that, knowing that only a small percentage of armed robbers use their firearms to shoot and kill people.
I'd rather shit my pants and curl up in a corner than be a cowboy and have a 50% chance of killing or being killed.[/QUOTE]
What is your source for your percentages? You obviously don't know America.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;34406874]Yeah, i would rather do that, knowing that only a small percentage of armed robbers use their firearms to shoot and kill people.
I'd rather shit my pants and curl up in a corner than be a cowboy and have a 50% chance of killing or being killed.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe the guy doesn't like the way you looked at him and will shoot you just for fun.
Gotta go guys. This has been fun.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;34406565]according to facepunch moralist, if a victim is being raped, she should just take it cause there's no proof the attacker would actually kill her, and should refrain from defending herself lest she might kill the rapist[/QUOTE]
If someone commands you to get on the floor at gunpoint, your life is in danger, but the person has no intention of killing you. In this case a gun serves to shock and defend.
If someone is getting directly assaulted using a weapon it would be necessary to defend yourself with equal force if possible. Having a weapon does not always solve the situation in your benefit.
What you're doing is just thinking up of ways to turn the situation around so it sounds better.
[editline]27th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;34406908]Or maybe the guy doesn't like the way you looked at him and will shoot you just for fun.
Gotta go guys. This has been fun.[/QUOTE]
Arm a nation against a small percentage a good idea?
I disagree.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;34406936]If someone commands you to get on the floor at gunpoint, your life is in danger, but the person has no intention of killing you. In this case a gun serves to shock and defend.
If someone is getting directly assaulted using a weapon it would be necessary to defend yourself with equal force if possible. Having a weapon does not always solve the situation in your benefit.
What you're doing is just thinking up of ways to turn the situation around so it sounds better.
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If someone is raping you, what would be the equal force? Should she be able to shoot him in the head to stop being raped even though the guy has no intention to kill you, just to rape you?
Why don't you guys actually answer this question for once instead of dancing around it?
[QUOTE=sami-elite;34406936]If someone commands you to get on the floor at gunpoint, your life is in danger, but the person has no intention of killing you. In this case a gun serves to shock and defend.
If someone is getting directly assaulted using a weapon it would be necessary to defend yourself with equal force if possible. Having a weapon does not always solve the situation in your benefit.
What you're doing is just thinking up of ways to turn the situation around so it sounds better.[/QUOTE]
No, the argument is a very good one actually.
What if a 250lb man attempts to rape a 120lb woman. Or an 80 year old woman. He would easily overpower her and there's no way she could fight back. Even if she had a knife he might still be able to overpower her easily because you need to get close to use it. If she had mace, that doesn't always stop the attacker.
Being shot will always stop the attacker.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;34406991]If someone is raping you, what would be the equal force? Should she be able to shoot him in the head to stop being raped even though the guy has no intention to kill you, just to rape you?
Why don't you guys actually answer this question for once instead of dancing around it?[/QUOTE]
But think of the poor misunderstood rapist! He deserves to live too!
In all seriousness, where I lived back home a woman was on a popular biking/walking trail when a guy raped her and forced her to suck his dick when she bit it off. If I remember right he stabbed her multiple times for it but he ended up dying in a hospital due to blood loss.
i couldn't kill someone even if it was for my own life.
at least not when i have time to think about it.
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34404382]Does it matter? Would you rather call them niggers seen as blacks have a historical (although terrible) hold to that name? You seem to [b]really[/b] want races to have a claim to their name.
I think I'll stick with black.[/QUOTE]
How about we just call them Americans. FFS. Keep defining them as different and there will never be a true equality.
And the African-American, German-American, etc. bullshit is just stupid. First generation American who immigrated from that country and obtained citizenship should be the only people allowed to be referred to as such. And boiling it down to rounded colors is just ignorant.
Why the need to categorize people. Racism will never die as long as we make it a fact to apply the labels.
[QUOTE=faze;34406522]Uh what? I already explained the theory why he was shot in the head. Apparently you don't know what muzzle jump is. He didn't "gun him down" as you so elequently put it. He shot an armed robber after trying to stop him and giving him warnings. The asshole pointed his gun at the good person, and the good person shot back in fear for his life.
Why do you non-Americans not understand this?[/QUOTE]
We had a few million deaths some years ago.
i guess that kinda influences the mentality for generations.
[QUOTE=dead.pixel;34407382]How about we just call them Americans. FFS. Keep defining them as different and there will never be a true equality.
[/QUOTE]
but people are different.
the point is to accept and respect each other for our differences.
not to whitewash everything.
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