Pipeline spills 176,000 gallons of crude into creek about 150 miles from Dakota Access protest camp
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Entertaining the idea of a conspiracy, without any evidence, because it is fun is literally how Trump got elected lmfao
[QUOTE=Flameon;51520711]Entertaining the idea of a conspiracy, without any evidence, because it is fun is literally how Trump got elected lmfao[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of reasons trump got elected. Entertaining a conspiracy isn't one of them.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;51520550]so the people who protested against the possibility of a bad thing happening are at fault for the bad thing happening?
nice line of thinking you've got there[/QUOTE]
Trump supporters, Hillary Supports, BLM, etc have all had parties guilty of false flags. It's not unreasonable to think that it's at least a potential.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51520653]US vs THEM is just human nature.[/QUOTE]
i like to imagine many people do actually realize that they shouldnt jump to a conclusion one way or another, but because "i have no strong opinion one way or the other" doesn't make a good post we just don't see them.
Just a little random fact, the company who owns this pipeline has had 10 spills since 2011. That's 2 spills per-year. But those Injuns are just whiney conquered hippies, why can't they let us build this totally safe pipeline on their land~? :downs:
[QUOTE=staticman;51520799]Just a little random fact, the company who owns this pipeline has had 10 spills since 2011. That's 2 spills per-year. But those Injuns are just whiney conquered hippies, why can't they let us build this totally safe pipeline on their land~? :downs:[/QUOTE]
Who are you arguing against?
Did anyone in this thread voice support for the pipelines?
Did anyone mock "whiny injuns"?
Why are you building strawman arguments against ghosts?
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520817]Who are you arguing against?
Did anyone in this thread voice support for the pipelines?
Did anyone mock "whiny injuns"?
Why are you building strawman arguments against ghosts?[/QUOTE]
Well, considering that you're trusting the cops saying they had grenades lobbed at them (thousands of military vets would NOT have supported the protesters if that were true), I'd say you in a dog whistle way.
[QUOTE=Naught;51520628]it is a little bit suspicious, but oil spills happen all the time, this one only made news because its close to the protesters.[/QUOTE]
Tbh with Trump winning it's probably going to happen a lot more often
I'm sure they took the extreme weather into account and built the pipeline to withstand it, along the way someone must have screwed up.
[url=http://www.dw.com/en/climate-activists-turn-off-key-canada-us-oil-pipelines-in-bold-sabotage/a-36022888]Eco-Terrorist are fucking retarded[/url]. It wouldn't surprise me if this was Tesoro Pipeline here in Mandan, but this is more a case of a three decade old pipe being used over a long period of time with increased loads. I'd have to see pics to give an accurate, "Why did she go, Jim" type thing.
[QUOTE=staticman;51520799]Just a little random fact, the company who owns this pipeline has had 10 spills since 2011. That's 2 spills per-year. But those Injuns are just whiney conquered hippies, why can't they[B] let us build this totally safe pipeline on their land[/B]~? :downs:[/QUOTE]
Not their land. Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868.
If there was any indication [I]at all[/I] this was ecoterrorism, then thats would they would have jumped onto right off the bat to prevent the protesters from making any ground.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51520727]There are plenty of reasons trump got elected. Entertaining a conspiracy isn't one of them.[/QUOTE]
I have one word for you: PizzaGate.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520665]This, I don't actually believe it was protesters, I just dislike people thinking it is [U]impossible[/U] that it would be, and I think it's fun to entertain the idea of a conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51520556]You really do think everyone on this planet is a nice and caring person, don't you? What a naive way of looking at the world.
There's a real possibility of it being sabotage.[/QUOTE]
this entire thread has turned into basically "i'm not saying it was the protesters, but it definitely was the protesters"
it's one thing to not rule out the possibility, and another to already firmly believe that the protesters did it
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51520732]Trump supporters, Hillary Supports, BLM, etc have all had parties guilty of false flags. It's not unreasonable to think that it's at least a potential.[/QUOTE]
good that you bring the groups up, actually, because what is always forgotten is that groups like this are not some singular organized entity with centralized leadership (well, except for the presidential candidate groups)
this is a bunch of people that have concerns, and what happened now is something they all set out to avoid
i am not ruling out the possibility of sabotage but if it was so it wasn't a dedicated effort by all protesters to do precisely the thing they wanted to avoid.
[QUOTE=staticman;51520824]Well, considering that you're trusting the cops saying they had grenades lobbed at them (thousands of military vets would NOT have supported the protesters if that were true), I'd say you in a dog whistle way.[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly believe that the police threw lethal concussion grenades at a protester handing out water? Do you know what concussion grenades are? Concussion grenades do not produce that kind of shrapnel, they kill with concussive force (hence the name). If the alleged grenade was close enough to the woman to cause that damage to her arm, she'd be stone cold dead.
Do you honestly think that the police created a burned and busted propane tank, added seared flesh to it, and then infiltrated and planted it?
I think [U]that[/U] is an absurd conspiracy theory.
Don't get me wrong I support the protests, but not lies.
[QUOTE=Firestarfk;51520853]I have one word for you: PizzaGate.[/QUOTE]
pizzagate is on the bottom of the list lf reasons why trump got elected and barely had an effect beyond further entrenching those who were so staunchly pro-trump to begin with they'd never be convinced to vote otherwise.
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51520556]You really do think everyone on this planet is a nice and caring person, don't you? What a naive way of looking at the world.
There's a real possibility of it being sabotage.[/QUOTE]
While I'm not arguing against the possibility that the protesters are responsible, I'd like to point out that it's equally possible someone in the company sabotaged the equipment to make it seem like the protesters were responsible.
[QUOTE=Firestarfk;51520853]I have one word for you: PizzaGate.[/QUOTE]
that was a pretty minimal part. the whole clinton family being a cartel that assassinates people is a much more popular conspiracy theory, but even then I doubt that drove many to vote for trump.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51520901]While I'm not arguing against the possibility that the protesters are responsible, I'd like to point out that it's equally possible someone in the company sabotaged the equipment to make it seem like the protesters were responsible.[/QUOTE]
I'd say it's far more likely that the company was just lazy and/or greedy and cut too many corners when building the line than anything outright malicious from either side.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51520901]While I'm not arguing against the possibility that the protesters are responsible, I'd like to point out that it's equally possible someone in the company sabotaged the equipment to make it seem like the protesters were responsible.[/QUOTE]
it is a possibility but i would say it currently is a lower possibility than it being sabotage by the protesters, only because the current working theory that has been given out points to a natural accident. if the finger officially gets pointed at the protesters, i'd say the possibility of it being a sabotage by the company goes up by a good amount. the company would want the protesters to be implicated officially and i'm sure they have enough sway to have that happen. having it be concluded to be just an accidental spill is bad for the company and i can't imagine they would take the risk unless they did a good job at framing the protesters.
of course the most likely thing is it is an accident.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51520732]Trump supporters, Hillary Supports, BLM, etc have all had parties guilty of false flags. It's not unreasonable to think that it's at least a potential.[/QUOTE]
what does trump, clinton, or blm have to do with these protests lol
just because there's false flag operations for other political organizations, doesn't mean that there are false flag operations for this political organizations
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51520727]There are plenty of reasons trump got elected. Entertaining a conspiracy isn't one of them.[/QUOTE]
I've talked personally with several people who believe in conspiracy theories about Clinton and that is specifically why they voted Trump.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51520930]I've talked personally with several people who believe in conspiracy theories about Clinton and that is specifically why they voted Trump.[/QUOTE]
Cool anecdote.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51520951]Cool anecdote.[/QUOTE]
I mean, he won a narrow electoral victory in my state, I'd definitely say entertaining conspiracy theories was responsible for his victory if my personal experience is anything to go by.
[editline]13th December 2016[/editline]
I wouldn't call it "The Reason" or "The Biggest Reason" or even put it in the "Top 5 reasons why Trump won" but it definitely contributed
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51520963]I mean, he won a narrow electoral victory in my state, I'd definitely say entertaining conspiracy theories was responsible for his victory if my personal experience is anything to go by.
[editline]13th December 2016[/editline]
I wouldn't call it "The Reason" or "The Biggest Reason" or even put it in the "Top 5 reasons why Trump won" but it definitely contributed[/QUOTE]
Contributing factor is the phrase you're looking for.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;51520911]I'd say it's far more likely that the company was just lazy and/or greedy and cut too many corners when building the line than anything outright malicious from either side.[/QUOTE]
Oh, absolutely. I just wanted to point out the one-sidedness in saying "oh, it could've been the protesters!" when the converse is just as likely.
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The Belle Fourche pipeline is [I]half in Montana[/I]. The idea that protesters drove almost a whole state over in some of the emptiest terrain in the country to leak a pipeline when there are many more much closer to the protest encampment is hilarious.
Pipeline leaks are [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century"]disturbingly common[/URL]. This year alone, about [B]775,000 gallons[/B] of crude, diesel, gasoline, and other forms of oil leaked from pipelines, [I]very[/I] rough estimate.
If you drank a gallon of milk every single day from the day you were born until you were a hundred years old, you wouldn't even have reached a [I]twentieth[/I] of the volume of oil spilt [I]this year[/I] in the United States alone. You'd have to drink 10.6 gallons of milk a day for [I]a hundred years[/I] to keep up with [I]one year of oil leakage into water sources.[/I] That's basically a gallon of milk every two hours for a hundred years. That's how common - and how massive - pipeline oil spills are on a year-to-year basis. And that's [I]just[/I] pipelines, not any other method of transport like trains or truck or anything else.
but it must've been ecoterrorist native americans not just [I]yet another[/I] result of poor attention to safety standards endemic to the industry
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51520978]
but it must've been ecoterrorist native americans not just [I]yet another[/I] result of poor attention to safety standards endemic to the industry[/QUOTE]
I think it's kind of incredible that it's taken as common knowledge that the media is dominated by the left and Facepunch is a liberal echo chamber yet you have threads like these where a pipeline leak (an occurrence which, as you said, is fairly common) obviously has to be a false-flag by environmentalists.
Clearly when it comes to the Dakota pipeline the so-called liberal media isn't working hard enough.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51520978]You'd have to drink 10.6 gallons of milk a day for [I]a hundred years[/I] to keep up with [I]one year of oil leakage into water sources.[/I][/QUOTE]
At least your bones would be extremely strong.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51521074]At least your bones would be extremely strong.[/QUOTE]
All that milk though, you'd have permanent diarrhea
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51521166]All that milk though, you'd have permanent diarrhea[/QUOTE]
The water content alone would kill you.
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