• WikiLeaks preparing to release 15,000 more Afghanistan documents
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[QUOTE=Simplemac3;24048550]Sometimes I just want to read my news and go on, okay? I read one fucking page of News threads, and whenever it has anything to do with freedom/war/rights/etc., some asshole [B]like JDK or Warhol[/B] has bursted in here spewing their views and calling people insults. It's extremely annoying when people can't get "Oh, these people aren't going to learn anything. Better move on." You don't win arguments on the internet. You just move on unless you have a decisive, very important point to make. [B]Everybody just shut up and read your godamn news.[/B] (On an unrelated note, somebody should make a politics subforum so this crap can stay out of the "In the News" Section and the debaters can flail their dicks elsewhere.) But seriously. I hope these guys actually take the time to properly censor these things. No matter what your views, you're a moron if you think they should leak EVERYTHING without looking through it a bit first.[/QUOTE] You seem to negate the part where it's not just us. You didn't seem to say anything when that guy on the first page was saying Assanage should be assissinated. [editline]01:25AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Melnek;24048641]Take a more realistic approach for one second. Picture yourself in their shoes, and then tell me that making mistakes is hard.[/quote] Mistakes? When the civilian death toll is fucking massive you think most of them was an honest to god mistake? Yes, I understand people fuck up in a mentally stressfull enviroment like a war zone, but you have to draw a line SOMEWHERE. [quote]The soldiers there are just as human as you and I, and they all make mistakes. War is really not that kind of thing you can have a very formulated and large opinion on it unless you have personally been through it. I do not however deny that there are real war crimes committed on purpose by insane murderers. [/quote] The problem here is, you're dealing with issues that should have never happened. The war itself should not exist. [quote]Another thing I do not understand is why do you people hate the ones who are FIGHTING the war? [B]you should be against the people who START the war. [/B][/quote] Iraq and Afganistan didn't invade the US. The Taliban were supporters, not instigators for the 9/11 attacks. You Americans invaded THEIR country. [quote]And if you are against both then you should really consider thinking this through, because really the soldiers there are not making decisions for themselves, they get orders and they have to fallow them. It's not that black and white as you make it seem to be.[/quote] The soldiers put themselves there. It's an all volunteer army.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24047866]you can express your opinions all you want "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire [/QUOTE] wasn't it actually Evelyn Hall who wrote that?
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24049365] Mistakes? When the civilian death toll is fucking massive you think most of them was an honest to god mistake? Yes, I understand people fuck up in a mentally stressfull enviroment like a war zone, but you have to draw a line SOMEWHERE.[/QUOTE] what benefit could come out of blowing up just civilians you think we're calling in airstrikes and throwing away tax money just to watch the fireworks? the civvie death toll is as high as it is because of bad information, quick decision-making and because the militaries can't tell who they're supposed to be shooting at also, planting hidden IEDs on roads most often traveled by civilians is a great way to up the count
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24049365] Mistakes? When the civilian death toll is fucking massive you think most of them was an honest to god mistake? Yes, I understand people fuck up in a mentally stressfull enviroment like a war zone, but you have to draw a line SOMEWHERE. [b]And that line does exist, but that still does not change the fact that not every single soldier there is a nutjob. [/b] The problem here is, you're dealing with issues that should have never happened. The war itself should not exist. [b]But it exists doesn't it? And yes I agree that it should not be there in the first place, but that wasn't really my point. I was merely stating some simple base facts that some of you people tend to forget.[/b] Iraq and Afganistan didn't invade the US. The Taliban were supporters, not instigators for the 9/11 attacks. You Americans invaded THEIR country. [b]I wasn't talking about the people who america is fighting, I was talking about american politicians who start these pointless wars, by the way, I'm not american.[/b] The soldiers put themselves there. It's an all volunteer army. [b]I'll admit that I was not informed of this actually.[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24049365]You seem to negate the part where it's not just us. You didn't seem to say anything when that guy on the first page was saying Assanage should be assissinated.[/QUOTE] [B]I agree with you 100%[/B] but fuck is this getting annoying. I get tired of going to read a thread and instead getting ten pages of stupid shit from [B]EVERYONE[/B]. I agree with you entirely but you're annoying the fuck out of me. Not just you, but the others too. ohajde or whatever the hell his name is, JDK, Melnek, cccritical. Its fucking annoying. Not a damned one of you is doing anything more than just bullshitting you're way through, hoping the other side will just give up. Warhol, JDK, I agree with you, but you're just as bad as the totalitarians wanting him killed and saying that some kind of holocaust or something is going to arise from this. None of you have done a good job at actually arguing. All of you are hardly better than trolls (not just you and JDK). JDK, Warhol, believe it or not, but in a lot of cases, I agree with you, but because of how stupid you act in threads, it just makes me sick and I either just go to throw up or end up fighting with you, which is not what I want because then it just ends up making me look bad and muddles everything. I've said my thoughts, and I don't want to get involved in this anymore. If things were a little less idiotic, I might have joined in and helped you two, but fuck it, its not worth it. Let the little totalitarians have this one, or at the very least, don't drop to their level. If you can at least do that, then you may be able to resolve these situations easily, or at least avoid getting banned if the moderators decide to intervene. If you and JDK can reel it in, I'd love to join you two. I'd really love to. Its just not worth it right now, though.
As long as they filter out names and other things that could get someone harmed, I don't mind them releasing this.
[QUOTE=cccritical;24049754]what benefit could come out of blowing up just civilians you think we're calling in airstrikes and throwing away tax money just to watch the fireworks? the civvie death toll is as high as it is because of bad information, quick decision-making and because the militaries can't tell who they're supposed to be shooting at also, planting hidden IEDs on roads most often traveled by civilians is a great way to up the count[/QUOTE] Then your military is ineffective as fuck if it can't pull its head out its ass. Simply chalking up this massive death toll as minor fuck ups is asinine and is almost like an excuse. Bad information and paranoia [B]does not fucking make killing innocent people right[/B] [editline]01:57AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeddy;24050031] If you and JDK can reel it in, I'd love to join you two. I'd really love to. Its just not worth it right now, though.[/QUOTE] What do you mean "reel it in"?
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;24046427]they'd better have filtered through this for names and other information that can be used to identify innocent individuals better than they did the last batch[/QUOTE] I believe this is the reason these 15,000 were held back and they asked the US department of defence for help with "harm minimization". They obviously feel they pose a risk to someone if they release them in a raw format.
[QUOTE=Jsm;24050128]I believe this is the reason these 15,000 were held back and they asked the US department of defence for help with "harm minimization". They obviously feel they pose a risk to someone if they release them in a raw format.[/QUOTE] They asked assistance for minimizing possible casualties in the beginning, before they released the first 77,000, and multiple times during their censoring and after their release, if I understood correctly.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24050103]What do you mean "reel it in"?[/QUOTE] Avoid drawing in stuff from other threads unless its directly relevant, and just try to avoid going after other people, and generally stay calm. I know you can.
I didn't do that shit. I AM calm, just because i curse doesn't mean i'm not.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24050419]I didn't do that shit. I AM calm, just because i curse doesn't mean i'm not.[/QUOTE] No, to be honest, you can get in a fit sometimes, or let agitation show through. I don't blame you for being agitated or downright angry, and its not like I'm not guilty of that too. It just doesn't help.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24050031]:words:[/QUOTE] I do not understand why you care about this so much. If you see a thread that is in a middle of a debate and you dont wish to participate then why even care in the first place? just leave the thread and get on with your life. What you've just did is clearly asking for a response from users thus CONTINUING the debate that you dislike so much. On a side note I have dropped the whole extreme and hostile approach I had for people like Warhol, JDK or Clark21. I tried being more tolerant towards other peoples views as much as I can since page 4.
Yeesh, This thread is worse then a religion thread.
[QUOTE=Murkat;24046437]Free speech succeeds or government censorship? TUNE IN NEXT TIME FOR THE THRILLING CONCLUSION[/QUOTE] Same Assange-time, same Assange-channel!
[QUOTE=Melnek;24050755]I do not understand why you care about this so much. If you see a thread that is in a middle of a debate and you dont wish to participate then why even care in the first place? just leave the thread and get on with your life. What you've just did is clearly asking for a response from users thus CONTINUING the debate that you dislike so much.[/QUOTE] Because I like debating, I like politics, and I like good arguments. I get frustrated however when all I see is things like what has happened for pretty much all of this thread. And in most cases, I do want to participate, but not when I feel like I'm going to have to start dodging furniture. I wasn't really looking for a specific response, just for people to stop and listen for a moment and hopefully apply at least some of what I said. Fortunately, it seems like things may have calmed down a bit. And to be fair, you are usually pretty calm, Warhol. JDK, on the other hand can be very aggressive and hostile and makes posts that just unnecessary, like all the jabs at Republicans. I don't like most of their ideals, but I'm not going to go out of the way to attack them, especially when they aren't even relevant to a thread. [editline]09:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Floreum;24050890]Yeesh, This thread is worse then a religion thread.[/QUOTE] Religion threads can actually be pretty good sometimes. Just depends on who goes in to it. If you get a bunch of hardcore fundamentalists or some half-baked Atheist wannabes, then yeah, things turn in to a prison riot.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24051029] [editline]09:41PM[/editline] Religion threads can actually be pretty good sometimes. Just depends on who goes in to it. If you get a bunch of hardcore fundamentalists or some half-baked Atheist wannabes, then yeah, things turn in to a prison riot.[/QUOTE] How can you be an atheist wannabe?
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24051029]And to be fair, you are usually pretty calm, Warhol. JDK, on the other hand can be very aggressive and hostile[/QUOTE] I think you got it backwards
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;24051381]I think you got it backwards[/QUOTE] What? Oh fuck off. [editline]02:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24051333]How can you be an atheist wannabe?[/QUOTE] I know what he's talking about. He's reffering to militant atheists. [editline]02:58AM[/editline] I don't think he worded it well.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24051397]What? Oh fuck off.[/QUOTE] :smugspike:
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24051333]How can you be an atheist wannabe?[/QUOTE] Angsty teens and the like. The ones than just jump in to sound important and go "LOL KEEL ALL BILEEVERS!" and end up giving other Atheists a bad name.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24051436]Angsty teens and the like. The ones than just jump in to sound important and go "LOL KEEL ALL BILEEVERS!" and end up giving other Atheists a bad name.[/QUOTE] there is no way to be a "wannabe atheist", you either are or you aren't.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24051436]Angsty teens and the like. The ones than just jump in to sound important and go "LOL KEEL ALL BILEEVERS!" and end up giving other Atheists a bad name.[/QUOTE] see: Vinze
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24051436]Angsty teens and the like. The ones than just jump in to sound important and go "LOL KEEL ALL BILEEVERS!" and end up giving other Atheists a bad name.[/QUOTE] Oh. Yea that shit's annoying. I'm no fan of religion (to say the least), but saying stuff like that's retarded. EDIT: Though yea, wonk's point, that's kind of a dumb way of putting it. At least you don't say angstheist or whatever, god I fucking hate that word so much EDIT2: Militant atheists is a stupid term too, how bout we just call them assholes? That works.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;24051397]I know what he's talking about. He's reffering to militant atheists. I don't think he worded it well.[/QUOTE] Yeah, "wannabe" was a bad choice in terminology. [editline]10:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721v2;24051456]see: Vinze[/QUOTE] See, that is what I'm talking about, JDK. You don't need to name anyone, that just causes problems. Most people here probably know that anyway.
I want to purchase some wikileaks merchandise. To support them yes, but ideally to get into a heated debate over wikileaks with the people of my school.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;24051465]See, that is what I'm talking about, JDK. You don't need to name anyone, that just causes problems. Most people here probably know that anyway.[/QUOTE] :saddowns: [editline]11:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;24051987]I want to purchase some wikileaks merchandise. To support them yes, but ideally to get into a heated debate over wikileaks with the people of my school.[/QUOTE] this is a good idea I'm gonna be taking a class called "war and society" and wikileaks should be relevant
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;24051987]I want to purchase some wikileaks merchandise. To support them yes, but ideally to get into a heated debate over wikileaks with the people of my school.[/QUOTE] Doesn't the average person at your school support free information? [QUOTE=JDK721;24046578]I didn't mention republicans at all you fucking moron [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - SteveUK))[/highlight][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JDK721v2;24052052]:saddowns: [editline]11:34PM[/editline] this is a good idea I'm gonna be taking a class called "war and society" and wikileaks should be relevant[/QUOTE] I'm beginning to wonder whether you are capable of death
[QUOTE=O'10er;24052323]I'm beginning to wonder whether you are capable of death[/QUOTE] what
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;24051456]see: Vinze[/QUOTE] Yeah, you're a manipulative scumbag with a god-complex, so it hardly matters what you see me as. Only thing I'm against is religious [B]authority[/B], so do the world a favour and fuck off.
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