[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
I cannot even take this post seriously. You werent serious now, were you?
[QUOTE=Oizen;51386925]I don't think Bernie is even considered a democrat. His own party doesn't seem to like him that much[/QUOTE]
He isn't one. He's an independent - he only switched to Democrat to run (since independents can't win due to FPTP). He's since switched back. That's where the accusations of him not being a "real" Democrat came from.
[editline]17th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
At some point, conservatism goes beyond conserving values to conserving entire lifestyles and preventing human progress.
Should we ban automobiles entirely to stop global warming? Should we ban horse-drawn carriages? Should we ban the plow and go back to hand-tilling the soil to make sure agricultural is sustainable?
No, we should be finding alternatives. We should have electric vehicles. We should make efficient electric plows and use GMOs and fertilizers and agricultural techniques to prevent the soil from being worn out.
Conserving jobs is pointless and doesn't address the core issue - we need to look forward at how we can adapt, not push against changing times and deny that anything is wrong.
Mr. Trump, I'm tired of winning! Please Mr. Trump!
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386830]Yeah we could do that, left seems more interested in other stuff now, though.[/QUOTE]
So much generalization in your posts.
Such assumptions are likely to only worsen the division in this country.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe make it so your population doesn't have to work low-wage jobs? Why not be the ones building and improving those robots instead of banning progress just to keep a bunch of low-wage jobs (that you don't even have at this point in time)?
No thx
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386853]Depends who you ask, Bernie and his supporters are supposed to be pretty left. And the Democratic party also adopted that OMGWTFMOSTLEFTWINGPLATFROMEVAHWHICHTOTALLYMATTERSGUYSISHITYOUNOT!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been hearing so much about.[/QUOTE]
I still can't believe we lost smurfy and got his alt right second cousin to replace him.
Better that the robots create american maintenance jobs tbh
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
That's like the ending you get when you didn't do enough of the sidequests to get the "communism" ending
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51386668]If you think any new factory in the US will employ any manual or low-skilled labor anything like a factory from the 70s you are dead wrong
Those jobs are gone. Just like handwrite copying industry before the printing press.[/QUOTE]We can only blame ourselves for this.
That and the evolution of technology. There was no stopping it.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51386894]Wasn't Bernie the one open to creating a universal income?[/QUOTE]
Who pays for that?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51386648]You mean they are bringing their robots
Manufacturing jobs will never come back[/quote]
Someone has to watch over that robot and make sure it is in working order, is operating properly, is in adjustment. You can't expect one plant foreman to watch over the amount of robots necessary to make this feasible. Thus, manufacturing jobs will return, albeit changed from how they were when they left.
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Also enjoy 1000$ IPhones[/QUOTE]
They're already kissing it as-is.
I was wishing the government won't just have American manufacturers here, but will also enforce human jobs in it. Of course, this would be bad for new small manufacturing companies so maybe give them limited time tax relief. Bigger companies are debatable. Flaws with this plan?
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51388322]I was wishing the government won't just have American manufacturers here, but will also enforce human jobs in it. Of course, this would be bad for new small manufacturing companies so maybe give them limited time tax relief. Bigger companies are debatable. Flaws with this plan?[/QUOTE]
The flaw with this plan is that automation is inevitable and should be encouraged. It's our economic structure that we need to change to futureproof ourselves, not the march of technological progress.
Hasn't apple been trying to find a way to do this for years?
It doesn't look like trump necessary has a lot to do with it.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Thank god society doesn't think this way or we'd still be riding around in chariots as vehicles put a lot of horse shoe makers out of work.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51386574]Not as much as you'd expect, the plants are mostly automated and the transportation costs would balance itself out, not to mention china's workforce is getting increasingly more expensive[/QUOTE]
the other issue is china's workforce is increasingly buying said iphones so they gotta make enough to satisfy american, european, AND chinese demand
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386580]"But the jobs are GONE guys, we're never getting them back, some articles written by metropolitan hipsters said so!"
The left wing has always been in favor of regulating and curtailing the excesses of capitalism, obstructing market forces when necessary to alleviate class inequalities, shame that's been lost in a maelstrom of identity politics and knee-jerk anti-populism.[/QUOTE]
hate to tell you buuuuuuuuut, biden was straight up telling everyone at the DNC meeting that jobs are coming back and have always been coming back, trump coming into power was just coincidence. China's transportation is insane due to gas prices and the workforce is getting more and more expensive.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386580]"But the jobs are GONE guys, we're never getting them back, some articles written by metropolitan hipsters said so!"
The left wing has always been in favor of regulating and curtailing the excesses of capitalism, obstructing market forces when necessary to alleviate class inequalities, shame that's been lost in a maelstrom of identity politics and knee-jerk anti-populism.[/QUOTE]
I like how you can just drop "identity politics" into anything critical of the left in a bid to make a coherent point. It's the equivalent of disregarding anything the right says because "they racist tho".
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799435824622252032[/media]
Mr. Trump PLEASE! I don't want to win anymore!
[QUOTE=Procrastinate;51389135]
Mr. Trump PLEASE! I don't want to win anymore![/QUOTE]
I can't find any source suggesting that a Lincoln plant in Kentucky was going to be moved, just that production of the Ford Focus was going to move from a Michigan plant to Mexico to make room for two new vehicles in Michigan.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51389152]I can't find any source suggesting that a Lincoln plant in Kentucky was going to be moved, just that production of the Ford Focus was going to move from a Michigan plant to Mexico to make room for two new vehicles in Michigan.[/QUOTE]
ford has been saying exactly this for 8 months and trump still claims ford is moving all production to mexico, he is above the facts now unfortunately to the detriment of all of us
[QUOTE=TestECull;51388251]Someone has to watch over that robot and make sure it is in working order, is operating properly, is in adjustment. You can't expect one plant foreman to watch over the amount of robots necessary to make this feasible. Thus, manufacturing jobs will return, albeit changed from how they were when they left.
They're already kissing it as-is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51387375]Better that the robots create american maintenance jobs tbh[/QUOTE]
indeed.
Manufacturing jobs may not return but we can still train Americans to maintain and repair the machines that filled the roles.
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51386549]Imagine how much the prices of Apple products would inflate. Jesus.[/QUOTE]
You mean deflate right?... When we make our own products they seem to get cheaper...
[QUOTE=TestECull;51388251]Someone has to watch over that robot and make sure it is in working order, is operating properly, is in adjustment. You can't expect one plant foreman to watch over the amount of robots necessary to make this feasible. Thus, manufacturing jobs will return, albeit changed from how they were when they left.
They're already kissing it as-is.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about the difference between full scale manual assembly lines with hundreds of entry level employees to a skeleton crew of a couple dozen (mostly educated) people.
The jobs Trump wants to bring back do not exist anymore.
There's too much doom and gloom about jobs 'never coming back'. I mean yes, old-school manufacturing jobs (entry-level, no qualifications etc) would never come back. Some may 'come back', but they would be higher-educated positions mostly.
An industry which is really going to boom over the next few decades will be the aged-care industry, and every related industry (eg retirees like to go on holidays and be tourists, so tourism would boom too). A combination of ageing populations, baby boomers retiring, reduced birth rates, and older people pretty much preferring human service over machine service, will see many jobs go that way. So if you want a stable career, look into aged-care.
Me? I chose accounting, a career which has seen job advertisements in my area fall by 85% over the last ten years, lmao
[QUOTE=meatwad253;51389420]You mean deflate right?... When we make our own products they seem to get cheaper...[/QUOTE]
Examples?
[QUOTE=Procrastinate;51389135][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799435824622252032[/media]
Mr. Trump PLEASE! I don't want to win anymore![/QUOTE]
Ford was considering moving production of a single model to Mexico, replacing that production line with another one meaning that [B]even if it went through there would be no net loss of American jobs.[/B]
An Auto Workers' Union agreement means that even if it wanted to Ford could not close US plants until 2019.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-ford-motor-idUSKBN13D08J[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/donald-trump-takes-credit-for-helping-to-save-a-ford-plant-that-wasnt-closing.html?_r=0[/url]
[url]https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/04/05/boosting-small-car-profitability-ford-invests-in-new-plant.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51391796]Ford was considering moving production of a single model to Mexico, replacing that production line with another one meaning that [B]even if it went through there would be no net loss of American jobs.[/B]
An Auto Workers' Union agreement means that even if it wanted to Ford could not close US plants until 2019.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-ford-motor-idUSKBN13D08J[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/donald-trump-takes-credit-for-helping-to-save-a-ford-plant-that-wasnt-closing.html?_r=0[/url]
[url]https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/04/05/boosting-small-car-profitability-ford-invests-in-new-plant.html[/url][/QUOTE]
why not make a new factory in America?
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51393463]why not make a new factory in America?[/QUOTE]
Too expensive. The Lincolns would continue to be made in America as they are high-margin units, where the increased cost of labour and parts are accounted for. The articles mention that small car production would move south of the border, and small cars are typically low-margin, so they absolutely need costs to be as low as possible.
Like the main reason why the UK has such a vibrant and diverse automaking industry (Aston, Jag, McLaren, Morgan, Bentley, Rolls etc) is because most of the cars are low-volume, high-margin. That's pretty much the only way car manufacturing will survive in the west without ludicrous levels of subsidies. High-volume, low-margin cars need to be made elsewhere.
[editline]19th November 2016[/editline]
Also making factories is really expensive, especially if they already have capacity in Mexico.
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