Fox EXCLUSIVE: U.N. Elects Iran to Commission on Women's Rights
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[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21676927]^Can't read apparently[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21674794]Not really, a Muslim world would follow Muslim law, and by that law I would be put to death. That doesn't mean every single muslim would mob outside my house with their scimitars, in America when a criminal is put to death not every single American goes after them, just the ones in charge of the law.[/QUOTE]
So followers of Sharia law would not necessarily be out to kill you personally, but would want to see you dead and support their government doing so.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21677053]So followers of Sharia law would not necessarily be out to kill you personally, but would want to see you dead and support their government doing so.[/QUOTE]
If they didn't than they wouldn't be very good Muslims now would they? As heatsketch said, if they don't that is their human side shining through their Muslim side.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21677090]If they didn't than they wouldn't be very good Muslims now would they? As heatsketch said, if they don't that is their human side shining through their Muslim side.[/QUOTE]
do you happen to be a Christian?
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21677090]If they didn't than they wouldn't be very good Muslims now would they? As heatsketch said, if they don't that is their human side shining through their Muslim side.[/QUOTE]
If you didn't follow Old Testament law, would you still be a good Christian?
And are you saying Muslim beliefs are incompatible with human decency?
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[QUOTE=JDK721;21677202]do you happen to be a Christian?[/QUOTE]
Great minds think alike.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21677202]do you happen to be a Christian?[/QUOTE]
If I was a Christian I would probably be less afraid of a Muslim world because instead of death I could be a Dhimmi and live on the ass end of society. For example if you are a Dhimmi and you are assaulted by a Muslim, if you can't find any Muslim witnesses to back you up than that Muslim goes free.
I am a staunch atheist, although pearlist is a cool term I learned the other day.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21674794]
Not really, a Muslim world would follow Muslim law, and by that law I would be put to death. That doesn't mean every single muslim would mob outside my house with their scimitars, in America when a criminal is put to death not every single American goes after them, just the ones in charge of the law.[/QUOTE]
That's why back then, when the world was [U][B]extremely[/B][/U]religious, Muslims let Christians and Jews intro Jerusalem without killing them?
That's why Muslims let Christians and Jews into Spain without killing them, yet when Christians later controlled Spain, no other religion except Christianity was to enter?
[QUOTE=starpluck;21686536]That's why back then, when the world was [U][B]extremely[/B][/U]religious, Muslims let Christians and Jews intro Jerusalem without killing them?
That's why Muslims let Christians and Jews into Spain without killing them, yet when Christians later controlled Spain, no other religion except Christianity was to enter?[/QUOTE]
We already covered this but you are too retarded to comprehend it. Spain was taken by Muslims through conquest, and the Spainish eventually retook Spain by conquest. Muslims do have the concept of dhimmitude, that means nothing for me because I am an atheist. Muslims view Christians and Jews higher than they would view atheists, pagans, or other polytheists.
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This just in UN elects Israel to commission on human rights!
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[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21686819]We already covered this but you are too retarded to comprehend it. Spain was taken by Muslims through conquest, and the Spainish eventually retook Spain by conquest. Muslims do have the concept of dhimmitude, that means nothing for me because I am an atheist. Muslims view Christians and Jews higher than they would view atheists, pagans, or other polytheists.[/QUOTE]
You really need to get off your high horse.
[QUOTE=Glaber;21673758]Article of proof?[/QUOTE]
Everyone who has been imprisoned in Guantanamo for a start?
They've never been put on trial nor are they ever charged with anything therefore they are innocent civilians.
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/03/guantanamo.usa[/url]
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21686819]We already covered this but you are too retarded to comprehend it. Spain was taken by Muslims through conquest, and the Spainish eventually retook Spain by conquest. Muslims do have the concept of dhimmitude, that means nothing for me because I am an atheist. Muslims view Christians and Jews higher than they would view atheists, pagans, or other polytheists.[/QUOTE]
When will you ever learn not to flame people during a debate, its as if you're being offended.
You don't seem to know anything about Dhimmitude; Zoroastrians, Mandeans, Hindus and Buddhists are included.
You say that you didn't imply that Muslims would be wanting to kill you, yet when you said "Marked for death in a Muslim world", it is clear you are trying to imply it as if you have a bounty on your head.
Saudi Arabia, I'd like to think is the most religious state on Earth that follows Islamic law nearly 100% of time. Go there, and tell me if your dead or not.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21691541]You really need to get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
I'm not on a high horse, starpluck has literally said the same thing over and over again.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21691541]You really need to get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
He supports the "English Defence League." It's a far-right party whose members hate Muslims and its sole purpose is to stop the spread of Islam.
[url]http://www.englishdefenceleague.org[/url]
[quote]We have members that represent our culturally rich, “patriotic” and nation-loving populace. People who can see the threat of “Islamism” for what it is: a vile and virulent ideology based on 7th century barbarity, intolerance, hatred, subjugation and war.[/quote]
They're basically Neo-Nazis.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;21691656]Everyone who has been imprisoned in Guantanamo for a start?
They've never been put on trial nor are they ever charged with anything therefore they are innocent civilians.
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/03/guantanamo.usa[/url][/QUOTE]
Whoa,Whoa,Whoa, Whoa.
Whoa. Are you saying that EVERYONE there is innocent? Are you sure?
[Quote= CNN 2009]"There is an inherent risk in detainee transfers and releases, as over 60 ex-Gitmo detainees have reportedly returned to terrorism," Department of Defense spokesman J.D. Gordon said.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/17/gitmo.detainees/index.html[/url]
[quote= washington post 2004]At least 10 detainees released from the Guantanamo Bay prison after U.S. officials concluded they posed little threat have been recaptured or killed fighting U.S. or coalition forces in Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to Pentagon officials.[/quote]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52670-2004Oct21.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism[/url]
I don't deny what goes on there, but to say that everyone there is innocent?
[QUOTE=JDK721;21692937]He supports the "English Defence League." It's a far-right party whose members hate Muslims and its sole purpose is to stop the spread of Islam.
[url]http://www.englishdefenceleague.org[/url]
They're basically Neo-Nazis.[/QUOTE]
How does recognizing Islam for what it is make them neo-Nazis?
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21693291]How does recognizing Islam for what it is make them neo-Nazis?[/QUOTE]
lol I can see where you get your rhetoric from now. Do you happen to listen to people like Rush Limbaugh too?
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[QUOTE=Glaber;21693273]I don't deny what goes on there, but to say that everyone there is innocent?[/QUOTE]
Presumption of innocence - innocent until proven guilty.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21693348]
Presumption of innocence - innocent until proven guilty.[/QUOTE]
This.
No modern civilised nation can operate on guilty till proven innocent.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21693291]How does recognizing Islam for what it is make them neo-Nazis?[/QUOTE]
Replace "Islam" with "Judaism".
[QUOTE=JDK721;21693348]lol I can see where you get your rhetoric from now. Do you happen to listen to people like Rush Limbaugh too?[/QUOTE]
Nope, don't listen to radio, don't watch TV.
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[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21694056]Replace "Islam" with "Judaism".[/QUOTE]
You could, except the Jews don't have a religious order to conquer the entire world.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21692410]I'm not on a high horse, starpluck has literally said the same thing over and over again.[/QUOTE]
Um, no I haven't? Good try though attempting to avoid refuting my reply though; I'll give you that.
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[QUOTE=Glaber;21693273]Whoa,Whoa,Whoa, Whoa.
Whoa. Are you saying that EVERYONE there is innocent? Are you sure?
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/17/gitmo.detainees/index.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52670-2004Oct21.html[/URL]
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism[/URL]
I don't deny what goes on there, but to say that everyone there is innocent?[/QUOTE]
And they don't deserve a trial because?
[QUOTE=starpluck;21694532]Um, no I haven't? [B]Good try though attempting to avoid refuting my reply though[/B]; I'll give you that.[/QUOTE]
LOL, you brought up the same point about Spain in the Islam in Britain thread, despite it having nothing to do with Islam, as well as the fact that you don't seem to know anything about it. Although I have to laugh at the bolded part as that is what you do with pretty much every post.
It was explained numerous times in that thread about what I meant by "I am marked for death"
Dhimmitude was also explained numerous times but I guess it's easier for you to just ignore it.
Thread for anyone you wants to get educated: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=925485[/url]
Also I have to ask are you a Muslim?
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21694794]LOL, you brought up the same point about Spain in the Islam in Britain thread, despite it having nothing to do with Islam, as well as the fact that you don't seem to know anything about it. Although I have to laugh at the bolded part as that is what you do with pretty much every post.[/QUOTE] You response wasn't satisfying when I referred to Spain, you just claimed "Since they didn't eradicate non-Muslims at a point in history doesn't prove anything. When it fact it was a big point in history where religion was everything.
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It was explained numerous times in that thread about what I meant by "I am marked for death"[/quote] That a bounty was on your head.
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Dhimmitude was also explained numerous times but I guess it's easier for you to just ignore it.[/quote] In which you bullshitted saying it doesn't apply to pagans or polytheists.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21694794]Thread for anyone you wants to get educated: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=925485[/url][/QUOTE]
one group of extremist individuals = representation of all Muslims
[QUOTE=JDK721;21695235]one group of extremist individuals = representation of all Muslims[/QUOTE]
I have no idea why he thinks a small minority is a perfect representation.
Its like saying:
[LIST]
[*]The KKK is a perfect rep for USA
[*]Zionism is a perfect representation of Judaism.
[*]WBC is a perfect representation of Christianity.
[*]A small group of criminal Atheists is a perfect representation of all Atheists.
[/LIST]
When I saw "Fox EXCLUSIVE" , without looking at the username at all, I said to myself "Glaber?"
When I reached the thread, I noticed that Glaber was, in fact, the OP. Wow! I must be a psychic!
[QUOTE=starpluck;21695197]You response wasn't satisfying when I referred to Spain, you just claimed "Since they didn't eradicate non-Muslims at a point in history doesn't prove anything. When it fact it was a big point in history where religion was everything.[/QUOTE]
You are using one example to try to claim that it represents all examples.
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=930364[/url] Looks like box jelly fish are no longer dangerous, I'm going to get one as a pet and name him Phozy. The "small minority" that you guys keep trying to talk about is one group being interviewed at the start of those videos, not everyone in those videos.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21695197]That a bounty was on your head.[/QUOTE]
No actually that is only what you said.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21695197]In which you bullshitted saying it doesn't apply to pagans or polytheists.[/QUOTE]
Dhimmitude doesn't apply to pagans or polytheists.
And you still didn't answer my question
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21694794]LOL, you brought up the same point about Spain in the Islam in Britain thread, despite it having nothing to do with Islam, as well as the fact that you don't seem to know anything about it. Although I have to laugh at the bolded part as that is what you do with pretty much every post.
It was explained numerous times in that thread about what I meant by "I am marked for death"
Dhimmitude was also explained numerous times but I guess it's easier for you to just ignore it.
Thread for anyone you wants to get educated: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=925485[/url]
Also I have to ask are you a Muslim?[/QUOTE]
You have this sense of superiority, which I and others believe is quite unwarranted. Get some humility.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21695609]You are using one example to try to claim that it represents all examples.
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=930364[/URL] Looks like box jelly fish are no longer dangerous, I'm going to get one as a pet and name him Phozy. The "small minority" that you guys keep trying to talk about is one group being interviewed at the start of those videos, not everyone in those videos.[/QUOTE]One black sheep in a farm doesn't make the rest of sheep in the farm black.
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No actually that is only what you said.[/quote]Which is what you implied.[quote]
Dhimmitude doesn't apply to pagans or polytheists.
[/quote]You totally know so much about Islam. (Wikipedia with citations) [release]This status was originally made available to non-Muslims who were [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book"]People of the Book[/URL] (i.e. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew"]Jews[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian"]Christians[/URL]), but was later extended to include [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrian"]Zoroastrians[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandean"]Mandeans[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu"]Hindus[/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#cite_note-1"][2][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhists"]Buddhists[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#cite_note-2"][3][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#cite_note-3"][4][/URL][/release][quote]And you still didn't answer my question[/quote]My beliefs aren't necessarily relevant on debunking some paranoiac claims.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21695856]One black sheep in a farm doesn't make the rest of sheep in the farm black.
Which is what you implied.You totally know so much about Islam. (Wikipedia with citations) [release]This status was originally made available to non-Muslims who were [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book"]People of the Book[/URL] (i.e. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew"]Jews[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian"]Christians[/URL]), but was later extended to include [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrian"]Zoroastrians[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandean"]Mandeans[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu"]Hindus[/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#cite_note-1"][2][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhists"]Buddhists[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#cite_note-2"][3][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#cite_note-3"][4][/URL][/release]My beliefs aren't necessarily relevant on debunking some paranoiac claims.[/QUOTE]
If you are taking from my statements that I am "implying" every Muslims wants to kill me even though that contradicts everything that I have said then that is your own fault
My favourite part was where you intentionally deleted parts of your quote AGAIN
[quote]This status was originally made available to non-Muslims who were
People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians), but was later extended to include Zoroastrians, Mandeans, [B]and, in some areas,[/B] Hindus[2] and Buddhists.[3][4][/quote]
The citation for Hindus is from Bat Ye'or, here's her view on dhimmitude:
[quote]Dhimmitude is the direct consequence of jihad. It embodie[s] all the Islamic laws and customs applied over a millennium on the vanquished population, Jews and Christians, living in the countries conquered by jihad and therefore Islamized. [We can observe a] return of the jihad ideology since the 1960s, and of some dhimmitude practices in Muslim countries applying the sharia [Islamic] law, or inspired by it. I stress ... the incompatibility between the concept of tolerance as expressed by the jihad-dhimmitude ideology, and the concept of human rights based on the equality of all human beings and the inalienability of their rights.[/quote]
Zoroastrians and Mandeans are pretty much People of the Book, and the citations for Buddhists is a paragraph from a book released by this lady: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annemarie_Schimmel[/url] who isn't exactly the most accurate source, and the other is from the Chach Nama, which can be considered just as inaccurate: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chach_Nama#Accuracy[/url]
[quote]As a historical narrative the account is seen as a valuable record of events such as the social, political and historical geography of the region at the time, [B]while containing the natural bias of the Sakifi family as well as the inherent inaccuracies and embellishments of popular tradition.[/B][/quote]
That fact that you refuse to answer the question of your belief leads me to assume that you are indeed Muslim, in which case I am done arguing with you as it is as useless as trying to argue with a creationist about their views, as you will never let the facts get in the way of your beliefs.
You're a fuckwad, you know that? Hurr, I disagree with someone so I'll say they're a Muslim. You're no better than Joe McCarthy and his Communist-baiting.
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